The Cause Of And Fix For Radeon R9 290X And 290 Inconsistency

[Novuake]

who on earth buys 7790 for hardcore gaming!? and then you accuse AMD!? do you really expect the 100$ graphic card do some magic for you and wash your clothes!? I mean do you really read before buying anything? the bandwidth is 128bit, it has only 896 stream processors so anyone with a sound mind can say, it is an entry-level graphic card, the same thing can be said about gtx 650 doesn't nvidia call gtx 650 a mid range graphic card? http://www.pugetsystems.com/parts/Video-Card/EVGA-Geforce-GTX-650-1GB-8891 7790>650 Nvidia calls gtx 650 card mid-range so that is ok for nvidia but not for AMD? what a double standard!!!

Kid, you better not be raging at me?

 

[Darkresurrection]

you might also want to take a look at this website http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7790-vs-GeForce-GTX-650 you see the big difference between 7790 and gtx 650!!! they are almost the same price however, 10$ difference made me compare these two

 

[Darkresurrection]

who on earth buys 7790 for hardcore gaming!? and then you accuse AMD!? do you really expect the 100$ graphic card do some magic for you and wash your clothes!? I mean do you really read before buying anything? the bandwidth is 128bit, it has only 896 stream processors so anyone with a sound mind can say, it is an entry-level graphic card, the same thing can be said about gtx 650 doesn't nvidia call gtx 650 a mid range graphic card? http://www.pugetsystems.com/parts/Video-Card/EVGA-Geforce-GTX-650-1GB-8891 7790>650 Nvidia calls gtx 650 card mid-range so that is ok for nvidia but not for AMD? what a double standard!!!

Kid, you better not be raging at me?

lol, no mate, I am reflecting on the one who had cossfired two 7790s and those who supported him and accused AMD but not their ignorance.

 

[Darkresurrection]

also look at this, this is even more intriguing tomshardware recommends both 7790 and gtx 650ti as mid-range gaming solutions http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html ... is it ok to accuse tomshardware as well?

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Another silly move..... instead of poo-pooing the idea AMD should be promoting it

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ama-toms-hardware,3672-8.html

Q. Regarding the 290/290x, when can we expect to see vendor based cooling solutions?

A. I'm not certain when you'll see third-party solutions, I'm afraid.

 

[logainofhades]

I don't consider 7790 midrange either. Midrange doesn't start till 7850, imo.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I don't consider 7790 midrange either. Midrange doesn't start till 7850, imo.

It doesn't really matter what you or any others consider the card should be ranked as, the company that made the thing is billing it as a mid range part, so deal with it.

 

[slomo4sho]

It doesn't really matter what you or any others consider the card should be ranked as, the company that made the thing is billing it as a mid range part, so deal with it.

I would love to see see some proof of this claim considering that there was never an official press release from AMD for the 7790 release.

I guess when you are Tom's and you divide the GPU categories as entry level, mid-ranged, enthusiast, high-end, and extreme there are bound to be issues. To top it off, mid-ranged cards are called performance mainstream whereas the enthusiast are called upper mainstream.

I guess we can continue to argue about semantics of language or we can acknowledge that entry level cards are typically introduced at or below $150, unless you also consider the 7770 and 650 Ti to be mid-range since they were also introduced at $160 and $150 MSRP respectively? Or we can take into consideration the nomenclature of the cards themselves. Nvidia uses the first number to define the generation and the second for market segment. The 5s are at the bottom, the 6 and 7 series are middle of the heap, and the 8 is the top of the line product. Similarly, AMDs older nomenclature from the 7000 series, the 1st indicted the generation, 2nd number indicated the market segment, and the 3rd number indicated the variant. The market segments of the 7000 series were 7,8, and 9. The 7700s series were thus entry level, 7800s were mid-range, and 7900s the high end GPUs. Based strictly on the nomenclature used by AMD, the 7790 falls into the same market segment as the 7770 and 7750 and considering that the 7790 was launched at a lower price point than the 7770 I would have to say that the card is a direct replacement of the 7770 after the 7770 received a price drop.

I would be happy to examine any evidence suggesting otherwise.

 

[silicondoc_85]

So AMD cheated with a 23% faster review card.
Evil is as evil does.

 

[Darkresurrection]

So AMD cheated with a 23% faster review card.
Evil is as evil does.

:lol: the problem's solved dude, it is a good idea to read the article till the end

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

AMD did not cheat. Add-in board partners such as ASUS simply used components with less performance than AMD did. That's the way it works in the real world, manufacturers are free to make decisions like that.

 

[logainofhades]

Yea Asux cheaped out big time on the reference cooler cards.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

That's been my experience with most ASUS products, cheap, and in the wrong areas. I do not understand their high reputation, but that is my own personal opinion. I expect others will disagree, and that is fine.

 

[logainofhades]

That's been my experience with most ASUS products, cheap, and in the wrong areas. I do not understand their high reputation, but that is my own personal opinion. I expect others will disagree, and that is fine.

My laptop has been good. Only issues I have had with it were my fault or windows being stupid.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

I don't mean to say their equipment doesn't work, just that I get more consumer satisfaction and less frustration from other brands.

 

[anthony8989]

It doesn't really matter what you or any others consider the card should be ranked as, the company that made the thing is billing it as a mid range part, so deal with it.

I would love to see see some proof of this claim considering that there was never an official press release from AMD for the 7790 release.

I guess when you are Tom's and you divide the GPU categories as entry level, mid-ranged, enthusiast, high-end, and extreme there are bound to be issues. To top it off, mid-ranged cards are called performance mainstream whereas the enthusiast are called upper mainstream.

I guess we can continue to argue about semantics of language or we can acknowledge that entry level cards are typically introduced at or below $150, unless you also consider the 7770 and 650 Ti to be mid-range since they were also introduced at $160 and $150 MSRP respectively? Or we can take into consideration the nomenclature of the cards themselves. Nvidia uses the first number to define the generation and the second for market segment. The 5s are at the bottom, the 6 and 7 series are middle of the heap, and the 8 is the top of the line product. Similarly, AMDs older nomenclature from the 7000 series, the 1st indicted the generation, 2nd number indicated the market segment, and the 3rd number indicated the variant. The market segments of the 7000 series were 7,8, and 9. The 7700s series were thus entry level, 7800s were mid-range, and 7900s the high end GPUs. Based strictly on the nomenclature used by AMD, the 7790 falls into the same market segment as the 7770 and 7750 and considering that the 7790 was launched at a lower price point than the 7770 I would have to say that the card is a direct replacement of the 7770 after the 7770 received a price drop.

I would be happy to examine any evidence suggesting otherwise.

You're right about the second and third digits from AMD and nV's naming scheme. But you're looking at the picture with one eye closed. The HD 7000 series starts at 7350 and goes all the way to the 7990. Within those parameters the 7790 is pretty much smack-dab in the middle of the series.
It was promoted from AMD essentially as a card that could run 'most games at 1080p on high/high-ish settings.' So it looks entry-level to the hardcore gamers, but more mid-range to the guys that had the 7350's to 7750's and didn't plan on gaming at ultra high resolutions or running extremely taxing games at 1080p. And I also seen in a few reviews that because of the cards better efficiency and specs, it leaned a little more closer to the 7850 than the 7770 - maybe not a whole lot but still. Also the placement of cards isn't static, it's constantly changing with the introductions of newer and better hardware. Not too long ago I'm sure I remember the 6670 and 6570 being thought of as the ''entry-level'' gaming cards of their time.

 

[Darkresurrection]

It doesn't really matter what you or any others consider the card should be ranked as, the company that made the thing is billing it as a mid range part, so deal with it.

I would love to see see some proof of this claim considering that there was never an official press release from AMD for the 7790 release.

I guess when you are Tom's and you divide the GPU categories as entry level, mid-ranged, enthusiast, high-end, and extreme there are bound to be issues. To top it off, mid-ranged cards are called performance mainstream whereas the enthusiast are called upper mainstream.

I guess we can continue to argue about semantics of language or we can acknowledge that entry level cards are typically introduced at or below $150, unless you also consider the 7770 and 650 Ti to be mid-range since they were also introduced at $160 and $150 MSRP respectively? Or we can take into consideration the nomenclature of the cards themselves. Nvidia uses the first number to define the generation and the second for market segment. The 5s are at the bottom, the 6 and 7 series are middle of the heap, and the 8 is the top of the line product. Similarly, AMDs older nomenclature from the 7000 series, the 1st indicted the generation, 2nd number indicated the market segment, and the 3rd number indicated the variant. The market segments of the 7000 series were 7,8, and 9. The 7700s series were thus entry level, 7800s were mid-range, and 7900s the high end GPUs. Based strictly on the nomenclature used by AMD, the 7790 falls into the same market segment as the 7770 and 7750 and considering that the 7790 was launched at a lower price point than the 7770 I would have to say that the card is a direct replacement of the 7770 after the 7770 received a price drop.

I would be happy to examine any evidence suggesting otherwise.

You're right about the second and third digits from AMD and nV's naming scheme. But you're looking at the picture with one eye closed. The HD 7000 series starts at 7350 and goes all the way to the 7990. Within those parameters the 7790 is pretty much smack-dab in the middle of the series.
It was promoted from AMD essentially as a card that could run 'most games at 1080p on high/high-ish settings.' So it looks entry-level to the hardcore gamers, but more mid-range to the guys that had the 7350's to 7750's and didn't plan on gaming at ultra high resolutions or running extremely taxing games at 1080p. And I also seen in a few reviews that because of the cards better efficiency and specs, it leaned a little more closer to the 7850 than the 7770 - maybe not a whole lot but still. Also the placement of cards isn't static, it's constantly changing with the introductions of newer and better hardware. Not too long ago I'm sure I remember the 6670 and 6570 being thought of as the ''entry-level'' gaming cards of their time.

Nonesense...the only card advertised for ultra gaming at 1080p from AMD at the moment was Radron 7950 also alot of people who were gaming at 1080p went further to assure themselves and future proof a little bit went with 7970...7790 was never meant to play games ultra settings, that was a budget card, not for hardcore gamers but for casual gamers who don't want to spend alot of money on their graphic cards, that's why AMD is throwing their 7750 and 7790 GPUs in their current APUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7507/amd-kaveri-apu-launch-details-desktop-january-14th

 

[slomo4sho]

You're right about the second and third digits from AMD and nV's naming scheme. But you're looking at the picture with one eye closed. The HD 7000 series starts at 7350 and goes all the way to the 7990. Within those parameters the 7790 is pretty much smack-dab in the middle of the series

So now we are discussing OEM cards? According to AMD, the lowest available discrete card from the 7000 series is the 7730 which is scarcely available and had a MSRP of $69. I am unsure where you got the notion that the 7790 can play every game at 1080P at high/highish setting even though countless reviews have indicated that even the 7850 is not up to such a task. AMD did claim 1080P gaming for the 7790 but there was no mention of the settings. Your assumption that a card that sits between the 7770 and the 7850 being capable of running 1080P at high settings was just that, an assumption.

I don't ridicule you because you made a bad purchasing decision, it is because you fail to acknowledge that your decision was bad. Hopefully you spend some time researching the products the next time you make a purchase. I know this can be a daunting task but there are plenty of individuals that can assist you if you ask. In order to get to the point of where you can ask for help, you must first acknowledge that you may need help. Or you can continue holding on to the false belief that you are correct contrary to the evidence available and that AMD somehow swindled you. Choice is truly your.

 

[Darkresurrection]

You're right about the second and third digits from AMD and nV's naming scheme. But you're looking at the picture with one eye closed. The HD 7000 series starts at 7350 and goes all the way to the 7990. Within those parameters the 7790 is pretty much smack-dab in the middle of the series

So now we are discussing OEM cards? According to AMD, the lowest available discrete card from the 7000 series is the 7730 which is scarcely available and had a MSRP of $69. I am unsure where you got the notion that the 7790 can play every game at 1080P at high/highish setting even though countless reviews have indicated that even the 7850 is not up to such a task. AMD did claim 1080P gaming for the 7790 but there was no mention of the settings. Your assumption that a card that sits between the 7770 and the 7850 being capable of running 1080P at high settings was just that, an assumption.

I don't ridicule you because you made a bad purchasing decision, it is because you fail to acknowledge that your decision was bad. Hopefully you spend some time researching the products the next time you make a purchase. I know this can be a daunting task but there are plenty of individuals that can assist you if you ask. In order to get to the point of where you can ask for help, you must first acknowledge that you may need help. Or you can continue holding on to the false belief that you are correct contrary to the evidence available and that AMD somehow swindled you. Choice is truly your.

Agreed...

 

[ubercake]

AMD did not cheat. Add-in board partners such as ASUS simply used components with less performance than AMD did. That's the way it works in the real world, manufacturers are free to make decisions like that.

They have to meet AMD's minimum spec in order to be licensed to produce their product.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

What do the minimum specs actually cover in this case then? Fan weight, size, rotational speed, and airflow? If not, maybe they should.

Despite the minimum specs, would it have hurt ASUS to actually go above and beyond? 🙂

 

[somebodyspecial]

Hindesight is 20/20. The vast majority of information on microstuttering became widespread after the release and adoption of FCAT in reviews.

Micro-stutter has been a known issue with multi-gpu setups for years prior to the release of the 7790, it didn't just rear its head between the release of the 7790 and the adoption of FCAT in reviews. Somehow even this Tom's article from 2011 named "Micro-Stuttering And GPU Scaling In CrossFire And SLI" concluded that:

CrossFire With Two Cards

If you're only judging based on average frame rates, two cards seems like a great deal for the price. We've had several readers write in, though, complaining about this micro-stuttering issue, which simply cannot be seen in the context of normal benchmarks.

Even at frame rates above 50 FPS, micro-stuttering rears its ugly head, pronounced enough to significantly detract from the gaming experience. A paradigm shift seems necessary, at least until both AMD and Nvidia are able to prevent or mask the artifact. Right now, if you asked us whether it'd be smart to "go cheap" on an inexpensive card and double-down later with another one, we'd have to suggest against it if you're the sort to be bothered by micro-stuttering. The improvement in performance would be negated by the phenomenon's impact. Currently, it seems like cards less powerful than the Radeon HD 6950 are not well-suited for dual-card CrossFire. Even if the frame rates look decent, the slower the GPU, the more pronounced you'll see micro-stuttering during gameplay.

At the same time, not everyone is equally sensitive to time-skewed frame sequences, and quite a few cheap TFT LCD displays help hide the effect. Even so, AMD has a major undertaking ahead of it in order to really improve the dual-card experience.

Poor you indeed. Sadly, there is no cure for stupidity

Didn't think I'd go to the link? LMAO.

" CrossFire and SLI only make sense from the mid-range and higher, with a slight advantage for SLI." - 7790 = mid-range = makes sense.

You're just cementing my point that AMD's drivers are garbage, and have been for years now. But I suppose your own stupidity makes you ignorant to that fact huh.

"AMD CrossFire™ technology is the ultimate multi-GPU performance gaming platform. Unlocking game-dominating power, AMD CrossFire™ harnesses the power of two or more discrete graphics cards working in parallel to dramatically improve gaming performance.1 With AMD CrossFire™-certified AMD Radeon™ HD graphics cards ready for practically every budget and the flexibility to combine two, three or four GPUs, AMD CrossFire™ is the perfect multi-GPU solution for those who demand the best."

So in addition to their sub-par drivers, they also lie to their customers. You would think with a pitch like that, they'd actually try to back it up. What a fantastic company. Stupid was ever believing they could make anything more than sh*t. Had I gone with GTX 650 TI Boost's in SLI for $20 more I wouldn't even hate AMD's crap products right now.

He seems to do that a lot with linking to something that doesn't say what he's claiming. He sent me to a 3000+ post thread with nothing in it that I could find proving his point. When asked where to look directly to prove it, I got not response. I read the first 400 posts and there was ZERO data showing toms was wrong citing the fan issues.

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

I'd rather you not respond to me. Your attitude and AMD's driver quality are a perfect match.

+100 Points

 

[GOM3RPLY3R]

It's funny how a debate about Cross-fire being bad has gone on for two pages, as well as if a 7790 is a mid-range card.

In my opinion, the 7790 is NOT a mid-range card, but it was once. I'd say it's a mid-entry level card. According to many legit websites it is still a mid-range card.

I have a GTX 770 @1260MHz Core never exceeding 65ºC. I'd say that's a high end card at it's minimum for this day in age ^_^.

Look at it this way. 6 Months ago, the best Crysis 3 could be run at with max settings on a single GPU was ~45FPS. Some cards now (single GPU) are topping 60-70 FPS on it, even the GTX 780 by itself.

Somehow, on max settings with 10,000 view distance on ArmA 2 and a i5-3570k @ 4.5 Ghz, I get ~130 FPS, strange right?

Well it seems our standards about these cards need to be fixed .

Last but not least, if you're going into multi-card setups, please, just please save up your money and go for Nvidia. I don't care if you're and AMD fan or if you need them right now, it's better to wait and not complain with better performance, rather than getting them now and complaining on all the forums about Micro-stuttering.

If you want high end performance with AMD, just get nothing less than a 280X. ^_^

 

[anthony8989]

Nonesense...the only card advertised for ultra gaming at 1080p from AMD at the moment was Radron 7950 also alot of people who were gaming at 1080p went further to assure themselves and future proof a little bit went with 7970...7790 was never meant to play games ultra settings, that was a budget card, not for hardcore gamers but for casual gamers who don't want to spend alot of money on their graphic cards, that's why AMD is throwing their 7750 and 7790 GPUs in their current APUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7507/amd-kaveri-apu-launch-details-desktop-january-14th

Lol Darkreserurrection I'm pretty sure you skimmed over my post and otherwise did not read it carefully at all. I didn't say the 7790 could play games at "ultra" settings on 1080p - I said high/high-ish, and in case high-ish is too ambiguous a term I mean in between medium and high. I also specifically said that the 7790 was meant for people that "didn't plan on gaming at ultra high resolutions or running extremely taxing games at 1080p.". So I'm not sure why you're restating that fact. Also the link you provided made no mention about the 7790 being put into an APU, so that was just a fallacy.

I am unsure where you got the notion that the 7790 can play every game at 1080P at high/highish setting

Well slomo now you're putting words in my mouth. I said "most games" not "every" game. I didn't expect to be playing Crysis 3 or Witcher 2 at maxed or even high settings at 1080p. I had my reasons to go for the second 7790 and at the time and I didn't realize Crossfire was so broken. It was an unnecessary headache and I'm as much to blame for it as AMD. I still put some blame on AMD because for $20 more nV had the GTX 650 TiB SLI option that rivaled a GTX 680 in performance. So now from my perspective ( it's fine if you disagree; I don't mind ) AMD has a lot of making up to do in the GPU department before I'll ever consider their products again. And these little issues and problems here and there doesn't help their reputation ( for me, personally).