The xbox 360 will destroy PC gaming.

scottchen · May 14, 2005

so remember our CPU's will be clocked in the range of 3Ghz from AMD, and 4-5Ghz from Intel.

scottchen · May 14, 2005

But then again, if Xbox 360 proves to be a huge success i'll buy one, and dump my pc and get a better notebook. That's the problem, by the time Xbox 360 actually hits retail market, i think i would probably already have an AMD chip overclocked to near 4ghz. And I don't give a crap how many core that intel CPU has or how how high they clock that cell procesor, they'll struggle to beat the 4Ghz A64.

coylter · May 14, 2005

Each core is running at 3.2 ghz i said 😛

And the console is releasing this november 😛

And its not a intel cpu, its a IBM 3 core power pc 😛

And there wont be 4ghz amd by that time 😛

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

I'll have to actually see one before i'll actually believe that 3core 3.2ghz... because heat does become a b*tch in that small of space. Yeah November... when there's only 200 on the market at inflated prices... so probably late december is when the price will actually hit MSRP?

coylter · May 14, 2005

Its been anounced, its official, there is games running on it 😛
Its coming out this november.

Its heatpipe/watercooled.

MSRP 299$

Please take a look for yourself...
<A HREF="http://features.teamxbox.com/xbox/1145/The-Xbox-360-Dissected/p1" target="_new">http://features.teamxbox.com/xbox/1145/The-Xbox-360-Dissected/p1</A>

On a side note, the console has 1 terraflop of computing power.

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

LOL i think i'm sounding anti-console, but by no way i am, in fact I have an Xbox(bios flashed to get use pirate games of course😀), because there are some games i really enjoyed on it, but the graphics are just simply crap compare to the pc when i crank res to 1280x768 with 4xAA and 16XAF. I have no doubt the performance on the next gen. consoles will be great, but i'm just not sure how far the computer has advanced by the time it actually came out. I know for a fact, 5 months before the release of Xbox i was on a geforce2 MX, with a 1.0Ghz Duron, and heard that the Xbox is going to be using a geniune p3 800mhz, and a geforce4 mx, so it's going to be about equivalent to mine, but since games are all nicely designed for it it's going to perform better. But by the time the console hit retail channels, i got it about 2 months after it did for the price to come down a little, i've already got a GF4 TI4200 in my comp, which totally destroyed the console graphics.

coylter · May 14, 2005

Its 3 physical core with 2 virtual core each.

Spec sheet:
<A HREF="http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1144/The-Xbox-360-System-Specifications/p1" target="_new">http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1144/The-Xbox-360-System-Specifications/p1</A>

Ingame:
<A HREF="http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1091/726_0001.jpg" target="_new">http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1091/726_0001.jpg</A>

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coylter · May 14, 2005

LOL i think i'm sounding anti-console, but by no way i am, in fact I have an Xbox(bios flashed to get use pirate games of course😀), because there are some games i really enjoyed on it, but the graphics are just simply crap compare to the pc when i crank res to 1280x768 with 4xAA and 16XAF. I have no doubt the performance on the next gen. consoles will be great, but i'm just not sure how far the computer has advanced by the time it actually came out. I know for a fact, 5 months before the release of Xbox i was on a geforce2 MX, with a 1.0Ghz Duron, and heard that the Xbox is going to be using a geniune p3 800mhz, and a geforce4 mx, so it's going to be about equivalent to mine, but since games are all nicely designed for it it's going to perform better. But by the time the console hit retail channels, i got it about 2 months after it did for the price to come down a little, i've already got a GF4 TI4200 in my comp, which totally destroyed the console graphics.

Not this time. You wont see a pc like that when this console come out, and certainly not for 299$. Read the link im providing at least 😛

Im not being biased, im just putting the fact straight. And as much as i like my pc, i can not denied that this is an awesome machine, and that it got more power than anything we can get from our pc for a long while.

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

it's physical 3 cores, virtual 6. But I highly doubt if it'll have the efficiency of Dothans, or A64 series. If they can clock it at 3.2Ghz even if it only has 64k cache, without the box actually catching on fire, i have to say i'm impressed. But we'll find out how efficient that'll be compare to IBM's cell procesor, or to Socket F and M2 CPU's.

On the PC side, i'm actually really looking forward to Yonah(Dual core Dothan) with 4mb l2 cache, and with its low heat dissipation and high efficienty, hoping it can push 4ghz with sub zero temps, then that thing will kick ass.

coylter · May 14, 2005

it's physical 3 cores, virtual 6. But I highly doubt if it'll have the efficiency of Dothans, or A64 series. If they can clock it at 3.2Ghz even if it only has 64k cache, without the box actually catching on fire, i have to say i'm impressed. But we'll find out how efficient that'll be compare to IBM's cell procesor, or to Socket F and M2 CPU's.

On the PC side, i'm actually really looking forward to Yonah(Dual core Dothan) with 4mb l2 cache, and with its low heat dissipation and high efficienty, hoping it can push 4ghz with sub zero temps, then that thing will kick ass.

Ibm chips have proved to be on par with AMD for their IPC. Like i also said its water cooled.

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

Another huge downside of consoles... upgradability, there's no way you can upgrade anything since almost everything is integrated. So even if it destroys pc gaming for the first year, the next gen console isn't going to come out for another 4-5 years... And in 1 year the PC graphics market will have jumped another 2 gen.

coylter · May 14, 2005

Thats true, but at least developers get a standard platform to work on. This seem like an advantage to me.

And that console has enough power to fuel games for the next 3years at least.

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

LOL... you see that's where i start to have my doubts on Microsoft's marketing strategy, you watercool a game console that 8 year olds are going to own. Water evaporates, so every 4-5 months you're going to fill and bleed the watercooling system... and i'm sure every 8 year old have the balls to pour water into electronics, even their parents will tell them they're insane.

coylter · May 14, 2005

LOL... you see that's where i start to have my doubts on Microsoft's marketing strategy, you watercool a game console that 8 year olds are going to own. Water evaporates, so every 4-5 months you're going to fill and bleed the watercooling system... and i'm sure every 8 year old have the balls to pour water into electronics, even their parents will tell them they're insane.

The console is targetted to young adult. And its not your regular watercooling, more like an heatpipe with water in it.

On a side note:

1 MB L2 cache

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

I've heard of rumours that games on Xbox360 will share with PC, that'll make piracy so much easier.

And i've heard that pc gamers can fight it out with console gamers online. That'll be great😀 kb/mouse will definently r@pe joystick in firstperson shooter.

scottchen · May 14, 2005

water always finds a way😀 trust me on that.

coylter · May 14, 2005

I've heard of rumours that games on Xbox360 will share with PC, that'll make piracy so much easier.

And i've heard that pc gamers can fight it out with console gamers online. That'll be great😀 kb/mouse will definently r@pe joystick in firstperson shooter.

False rumor since the porting from pc and xbox360 will be much harder because of a very different architechture. Xbox360 will have primarly exclusive titles.

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

BTW 1mb per cpu or in total?

coylter · May 14, 2005

water always finds a way😀 trust me on that.

Dreamcast had the same kind of watercooling.

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coylter · May 14, 2005

BTW 1mb per cpu or in total?

Total

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scottchen · May 14, 2005

Ahh well i'll just work on my latest project, to have a full self-contained watercooled notebook, and wait to see how xbox360 stacks up against ps3, and well i do want to see if intel comes with that 7ghz CPU they promised a while ago, something about revolutionary design to just have a die or something, i can't remember that article.

scottchen · May 14, 2005

so each core has

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coylter · May 14, 2005

No its shared.

On a side note, edit your post, its [-peep-] up the whole thread ><Edited by Coylter on 05/14/05 02:23 AM.

scottchen · May 14, 2005

I agree with you that it's good to have a set standard, makes developing that much easier.

scottchen · May 14, 2005

the purpose of that was to make it harder for people to read and reply😀

The xbox 360 will destroy PC gaming.

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