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Bios is not hardware software, its flash. The whole console virus topic is totally stupid and useless , oh em gee

Signature (up to 200 characters). You may use <font color=blue><b>Markup</b></font color=blue> in your signature<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Coylter on 05/17/05 01:37 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Also GTA: VC/SA, i dont agree with the pad being betta
Well, To each their own I guess, but I still prefer the pad, especially when there's more than one person taking turns to kill as many cops as possible. :evil: ... No shuffling seats that way. For just general mayhem the auto-aiming you get with a pad (in Vice City at least) is just easier than having to manually aim with keyboard/mouse. There is one big exception to this rule though... The minigun. With the joypad there's no easy way to aim upwards, but with the complete freedom of K/B & mouse it becomes a devastating weapon which can mince choppers really quickly..

straight forward keyboard control of cars feels more responsive in the GTA line up.
I disagree with that one... I hate trying to play any kind of 'driving' game with the keyboard. Much prefer a joypad (or, for any pure driving game my Trusty sidewinder FF wheel..)

On the Analogue-only steering thing for SA though, the original Vice City on PS2 allowed you to use the digital pad <i>or</i> analogue stick, but SA allows only the analogue, which did annoy me to start with, but I'm used to it now.

I'm suprised no-one seems to have picked up on the modding community issue. It's a big factor that's easily overlooked, IMO. One obvious place where they can keep the costs down is in not sticking a huge HDD in these things (consoles), but that will mean there is very little scope for getting lots of mods, assuming they even bother adding any form of support for it to the game in question.

Plus, looking at the architecture of these things, all this next-gen hardware crammed into a box for a frankly unbelievably low price... They must be making a larger loss on these consoles than on previous generations of them, so I think the games are going to become really horribly expensive, as they'll need to recoup their losses from somewhere. I know this has always been the case, but it seems more so with this generation than before (although that could just be my perspective of course)

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I remember when I was at school a guy in my tutor group was convinced his Amiga had a virus 'In its RAM' that was remaining there even if he rebooted it.

He didn't even own a HDD for it. I simply couldn't convince him otherwise... :lol:

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Who screwed this thread up anyway?

Písses me off when people do that :frown:

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he had the ram in the rom or bios and was probably called black monday or friday or sum [-peep-] like that.

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i believe ps3 is gonna own the friggin xbox when it finally comes out, but i dont think they will be pc killers....


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Never Ever will a console ever kill a PC. Consoles will get old and us PC lovers can bask in our sweet graphics that will always triumph over console.
People also forget that PC's can do so many other things that a console can never do. Ever incode a DVD on a PS2? How about unzip a movie on an Xbox? Ever see a Gamecube be used as a file server? Thaught so! gots to go! Bells ringing at school!







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If either consoles makes PC graphics makers to lower prices on their lower highend video cards, then GO CONSOLES! I'm getting pissed at the fact a single lower highend video card such as the 6800GT or the X800XL costs equivalent to the MSRP of the Xbox360.

Coylter i agree the consoles does seem powerful, but also mark my words, their ALWAYS will be more PC gamers. I'm really interested in seeing the efficiency of the CPU's from the 2 consoles.
 
I've been either very busy or very blotto recently so missed most of the development of this after the release of the consoles.

One thing that we're not taking into acount though is the level of specificity when making the games for these machines. Some of the single platform Marquee titles will likely look VERY good on these machines.
The biggest drawback to most PC gaming is coding/aiming for the lowest common denominator for the largest audience, and have to make the system work for MANY different possible setups. Cross platform games may be terrible because they have to play on Xbox360/PS3/PC/NinRevo, but the games that are truely 'built for ....' will likely be the ones to best showcase the advantages of each system and 'do things the others can't do'.

Also remember that the PCs are constrained by M$ OS as well, wehereas the consoles have the opportunity of going with the most efficient use with limited hijacked resources (I doubt the Xbox will stray from it's backyard though).

These things can be built from the ground up to be game playing devices with some other funcionality secondary, the PS3 seems geared for that (the DVD-Blue Ray stuff can be a seperate dedicated component which uses little/no gaming resources [but might not be due to cost and the obvious power on tap with the CELL core]), whereas the Xbox seems to try to be everything for everyone, and I think that will win it many people who want some PC functions without a PC (*cough* former WebTV users *cough*), but it is sure to hurt the true potential of the Xbox as solely a gaming system. Considering what they can still achieve to this day with the PS2, I'm sure that these consoles will have their truely stunning games later on once the programmers have real hardware to test on (not the hobbled test kits made of other systems [PCs]). Of course by then PCs and their components will have progressed while their concole competitors are stuck with the same hardware. This limitation was exposed in Xbox fairly early because DX8.1 with it's PS1.4 effects were felt in some early titles like Morrowind, and the move to PS2.0/DX9 only exacerbated that gulf, and that was very early in the Xbox's life cycle.

I still prefer PCs, but there are ways in which the consoles COULD be better, we'll just have to see if they grasp that opportunity and exploit it or whethe they get so bogged down with minutia that they lose or miss their major advantages. It all comes down to flexability versus specificity IMO, and that affects the programmers most.

In any case it should be a nice Xmas, and personally PS3 is leading the way in stunning demos, even if they are mostly cut-scenes more than actual-game play. If the gameplay is anywhere close the Xbox will need to get it's developers exploit more of it's hardware to really sell their case as to why we should buy the 360 instead of waiting for the PS3.


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Well.. I do know that all the morons out there that think consloes rule still get pi$$y when I rub in their face that their favorate console games where created on a PC!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Whats sad, as it was said before, PC parts are so expencive! Somthing needs to be done. R520 is going to cost way to much. Honestly, how much does it cost to produce the card compared to shelf prices?


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Well.. I do know that all the morons out there that think consloes rule still get pi$$y when I rub in their face that their favorate console games where created on a PC!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Retract that statement man, you're making an a$$ of yourself.

Honestly, how much does it cost to produce the card compared to shelf prices?
About 50$ on average. Ha! A console gamer just gave you PC information!

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you already made an A$$ of yourself by admitting ur a console sucker, and for you not understanding hes statement!

You A$$ did you think a game programing was done on a console ur more stupid than i thought.

ohh ur so clever, you put us PC gamers all to shame, eden i am trembaling with ur presence. 😛

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About 50$ on average. Ha! A console gamer just gave you PC information!

Umm... Im sorry, I dont understand how that works considering that was marketing information, not pc information. Don't get that confused because it was not directly related to the workings of a pc.

And please realise that childish insults only show your true side.

"If youre paddling upstream in a canoe and a
wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"

"Battling Gimps and Dimbulbs HERE at THGC"
 
you already made an A$$ of yourself by admitting ur a console sucker,
Except for the fact that he has a better Gaming PC than 95+% of the people here, and the top card you could buy.

ohh ur so clever, you put us PC gamers all to shame,
This 'debate/debacle' shames us all.

A Vic20 + MontaZuma Revence Cartridge RULES! :tongue:


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Umm... Im sorry, I dont understand how that works considering that was marketing information, not pc information.
Well actually it's not 'MARKETING' information if anything it would be Accounting, Economic, or Financial information, since it's the cost of fabrication not MSRPs or Retailers' 'COST' figures.

And since it's about the cost of producing a PC part, then it would be PC information.

The big reason there are PRICE differences is that most consoles are sold at a loss (sometimes a sizeable loss) because they will recoup this differential from the overpriced software and adapters that drive and compliment the systems since the system builders receive royalties with each title/appendage shipped. Now, THAT's a marketing decision, and that's an option not available to the PC add-in market, since ATi and nV don't get royalties for games to function with their cards (although they may get licensing agreements which still don't guarantee revenue).

Supposedly the negative cost financing for the Xbox360 is supposed to be quite large this time around. IIRC when the Xbox debuted it was running at a loss of $50 per console, I cann't guess what it would be for current Xboxs which are soo cheap (although production costs are likely lower too [although supposedly the nVidia and Intel restricted production Licenses are a real problem for that, which is why this round will allow M$ to chose their mfr partner this time {using ATi and IBM's designs}]). Considering the supposedly low launch price I would expect even greater losses for this round.


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yeah but M$ save a helluva lot of money this time around due to the fact they produce their own processors for the 360 now.

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Actually I don't think they produce them I think they License the design from IBM, and then have whomever produce them, at least that's what they do with the R500, and supposedly that developement is a huge step. So if IBM charges too much to make them, they can have TSMC or UMC or another Fab make it. There's probably restrictions like no Intel or AMD, but that'd be for intellectual property reasons of course. But even thatmay not be an issue.


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I just seen a board (I'll have to find it again) that has four dual core sockets on it. Operton 2.2(amd) How's that for umph!

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Well that would likely be a TYAN board, they make Quad opteron boards (nothing special about dual core),

But their real special board is their dual opteron, 2 full 16x SLI boards, those have a ton of power, most of which can't be used because the programs are not optimised for the setup. But for those that are the thing flies!


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Except for the fact that he has a better Gaming PC than 95+% of the people here, and the top card you could buy.
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And your point is?

Your rig does not make you a gamer, you can have the best rig in the world but it does not make you the best gamer or the most versatile gamer, actually it does not make you a gamer at all.

You GGA out of all the people here should know that!

Its not the power of your pc which rules your gaming potential its you. and in this case most peeps who dis the PC just dont have the skills to compete or use a pc or the money to run one.



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who dis the PC just dont have the skills to compete or use a pc or the money to run one.
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Now how about you shove some of your crap up your dripping starfish and post back when you know who you're talking to?

And stop posting while drunk.

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Actually I don't think they produce them
As far as I know, MS never had a fab. They're not a hardware company above all.

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Heheh, d00d you rule. I definitely needed someone like you to give me a leg up over what seemed to be an attack of dreadful wits. :lol:

Thanks my Canuck brother... :wink:

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that was marketing information, not pc information.
PC pertinent information, it is.

And please realise that childish insults only show your true side.
Sounds like you don't know my style buddy...
Sit around, let the fire burn in the middle of the group as we tell you the story of Ede... :tongue:

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