thermal glue for the Athlon 64 x2 3800

[SidVicious]

just use the stock paste it will work fine i have an amd 3700 currently in
an asus sli32 deluxe running at 2607mhz and before that i had the same only with a msi sli mobo and it was at 2508 mgz until the msi mobo quit on me AND THEY WERE BOTH USING THE WHITE LITHIUMGREASE
LOOKING THERMAL PASTE FROM RADIO SHACK AND RUNNING AT 78F
FOR THE MSI WITH STOCK HSF AND 80F WITH A ARCTIC FREEZER 64PRO ON THE ASUS MOBO WHICH IS STILL RUNNING FINE AT 2607MHZ

I guess that your cap lock key got fat after eating your punctuation...

 

[sirheck]

yeah that paste from radio shack seems to work fine for me i have had lots of problems so i have had the proccesor out alot trying it in other mobos and switching all the other stuff

 

[zhe]

Ok, so basically all warranties come down to the manafurecturs claiming 'misuse' or 'abuse' at you?
You could have followed all there little rules and they still could claim against, and it would be up to you to prove you didn't, right??
So meh.

On topic - a quality grease like Artic Silver is great - provided you are careful when applying! Same with alcohol - i have always used it cautiously by dampened a cloth with it, and then rubbing.
I mean seriously, you are working with delicate electronics! You are obviously gong to be careful not to spill any fluid or grease around!

And it is best to get a quality HSF if overclocking. Like an all copper zalman solution. I am pretty sure stock coolers would have a lot lower thermal conductivity than artic silver would be putting out!

yo there,

anything that carries floating, charged particles can conduct electricity and short/fry something so yes fluids r dangerous - but not so much alcohol, provided that it's at least 95% in concentration, becoz it will evaporate rather rapidly (which is what we use to dry suction bulbs in labs - they r a bitch to dry!). so long as u leave it for a few mins after application, chances r, u r fine.

on the other hand, 'grease' or polymer of any kind, do NOT conduct electricity - which is exactly what the Arctic Silver Ceramique is claimed to do.

hope it helps

 

[zhe]

I think he was joking. Everyone in here should know nothing in a computer gets hot enough to boil cooking oil.

Then again... maybe not. ;-)

yo man, i would actually like to point out that cooking oil could boil at as low as 75 degree Celsius, depending on the type of oil u use, most of them boil at 75 to 90 degrees - a lot lower than water.

and ur average P4 will easily 75 on stock HSF on a warmer day:-D.

cheers

 

[pip_seeker]

ok now I'm hungry for grilled cheese and naked women! :lol:


come on gize stop tormenting me! :twisted:

So if you decided to make this into a video it could go from a cooking show to a porn video without skipping a beat. :roll:

 

[mpjesse]

Did you pull those temperatures out of your arse? I think you did...

Safflower - 510 F (266 C)
Soybean - 495 F (257 C)
Corn - 475 F (246 C)
Peanut - 440 F (227 C)
Sesame - 420 F (216 C)
Olive - 375 F (191 C)

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/States_of_Matter_and_Energy/Boiling_Evaporating_and_Condensing/20010430135040.htm

The boiling point of olive oil (570 degrees Fahrenheit) is much higher than the smoking point (375 - 400 degrees F) and would be a very dangerous temperature to try to achieve on a home stove. It would certainly ruin the oil and would be close to the flash or fire point (around 600 degrees F) and the danger of a conflagration would be great. (When you are deep frying and you see the oil "boiling" you are actually seeing the water in the batter or food boiling, not the oil.) A more useful temperature would be the smoke point.

http://www.oliveoilsource.com/cooking_olive_oil.htm
(i'll do the calculation for you, 570F is 298C)

<< … what is the boiling point of the "average" … vegetable cooking oil?>>
It is approximately 400° F. As you may know, the important consideration in cooking with oils is the smoke point. The smoke point of oils varies widely and generally you want to fry using oil with a high smoke point. For this reason peanut oil is one of the best with a smoke point of 440°.

http://experts.about.com/q/Home-Cooking-3204/Boiling-Points-Cooking-Liquids.htm
(again, 400F is 204C)

and ur average P4 will easily 75 on stock HSF on a warmer day:-D.

Uhhhh no. Try something under 55C. No Pentium 4 that I'm aware of every ran above 55C with stock cooling.

Now go away little guy. And go try to fry something with oil at 75C. LOL.

-mpjesse

 

[pcrig]

I certainly wouldn't take a rejection from AMD for using commonly accepted TIMS lying down. Legally they can't even abuse their warranty like that. Well, maybe they can. Maybe they can't. That'd be for a court to decide. But legally they shouldn't be able to. The problem is that courts and law don't always coexist like they ideally should, so what should be cut and dry under law may not actually be the court's decision. Damn US judicial system.

Anyway, I'm sure if AMD gave you a hard time over using an 80+ percent alcohol solution to clean off a TIM, or over using a different TIM than they didn't specify in their warranty, you could always mention terms like "Better Business Bureau", "Lawyer", and "Court" and they'd be likely to turn around and be more helpful. :lol:

Now, as for why they can't legally hold using AS5 against you is this. The retail warranty comes in the box. The retail warranty does not specify any such clause against a TIM, where it does specify against a 3rd party HSF. Further, no other documentation warning against the use of 3rd party TIMs is provided in the box. Therefore, AMD cannot prove that you have read x, y, or z from their website, and thus cannot legally use that as a loophole under their abuse clause, because this is something that does not fall into the category of common knowledge.

Granted, I'm not a lawyer. I've just seen this more times than I can even count on the various small claims court judge shows on TV. :lol: It's always the same every time, and it comes up an awful lot. If you don't give the customer the information for non-obvious warnings, exemptions, etc., then you're always SOL. It doesn't matter if you make the materials available in any way, shape, or form, no matter how simple and convenient. You have to actually give the customer those papers or deliver the warnings verbally. AMD doesn't include them in the box, AMD can't claim you knew not to do something non-obvious, AMD isn't protected should you do something non-obvious.

Now that might be different with registered system builders or some such if AMD actually such a program and requires certain materials to be read before you can be a part of it. But for the regular joe buying their procs...

As for overclocking though, that's pretty obvious to an extreme majority that it's abuse, and hence falls under their warranty. Only a complete clue would expect otherwise. :lol: So AMD is protected there.

I had NO problem with AMD.

The warranty is clear contract and it cowers ONLY defects in "materials and workmanship", should there will be found that there is NO defect in materials AMD at its option has NOT breached the warranty contract.

So what are materials defects?
impurities or SOI insulators leaks.

There is NO chance that you would win the case when under the electron microscope it can be proven that ther was NO defects in materials or workmanship.

All they need to do is to look at the structure of crystals!
So be aware that AMD acts in GOOD FAITH!

the excessive temperature can be proven by color deviation of crystals under the electron microscope.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

Dude... you so reminded me of that Burger King commercial when you said that. LOL.

"No you're cheesy! It's that easy."

I know a lot of ppl think it's corny, but I actually like the commercial. Especially Dr. Angus's teeth.

:lol: Yeah, I love Burger King's commercials. Don't care for the food, but the TV is good. Heh heh.

My favorite BK commercial though was 'waking up with the king'. That's just ... disturbing.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

The ammount of heat generated by any modern processor is barely if at all enough to cook anything.

Unless you use EZ Bake Oven recipies.

But yeah, you're not going to be able to cook much. Still, with a specially designed heatsink you could cook an egg. And with the right design you should be able to make some tea.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

The warranty is clear contract and it cowers ONLY defects in "materials and workmanship", should there will be found that there is NO defect in materials AMD at its option has NOT breached the warranty contract.

So what are materials defects?
impurities or SOI insulators leaks.

There is NO chance that you would win the case when under the electron microscope it can be proven that ther was NO defects in materials or workmanship.

All they need to do is to look at the structure of crystals!
So be aware that AMD acts in GOOD FAITH!

the excessive temperature can be proven by color deviation of crystals under the electron microscope.

You're not even making sense. It's obvious that there's a pretty major defect if the chip at stock is running so hot that it dies under the retail cooler with AMD's suggested TIM or better (such as AS5) in a case with average (or better) ventillation. That's clearly a materials or workmanship defect.

If that happened to me, I wouldn't hesitate to RMA it. And if AMD fought me on it, I'd fight them tooth and nail. So what's your point?

And what the heck does an electron microscope have to do with the price of tea in China? Heck, what does crystal structure have to do with workmanship? That's only materials.

I'd suggest you stop talking about things you clearly have no knowledge about.

 

[mpjesse]

And what the heck does an electron microscope have to do with the price of tea in China? Heck, what does crystal structure have to do with workmanship? That's only materials.

LOL. I can't believe he said that. Like even if AMD had an electron microscope, does he really think they're going to slide a processor under it??? You can't even do that. I guess he thinks an electron microscope works like a traditional one.

I speculate that this goes through his mind in regards to AMD warranty investigations:

"Hmmm... this processor looks fried. Hey Sven, would you please take a sample of this processor's die and analyze it under the billion dollar electron microscope? Cause ya know, we don't have anything better to do with this thing... like research. Now Sven, be sure to scrape off all the heat spreader material; can't get to the die without removing it! Yes... hmm... I have nothing better to do with my PhD than analyze whether or not Slvr voided his warranty by overclocking... yes... mmm..."

What a moron. LOL.

-mpjesse

 

[pcrig]

And what the heck does an electron microscope have to do with the price of tea in China? Heck, what does crystal structure have to do with workmanship? That's only materials.

LOL. I can't believe he said that. Like even if AMD had an electron microscope, does he really think they're going to slide a processor under it??? You can't even do that. I guess he thinks an electron microscope works like a traditional one.

I speculate that this goes through his mind in regards to AMD warranty investigations:

"Hmmm... this processor looks fried. Hey Sven, would you please take a sample of this processor's die and analyze it under the billion dollar electron microscope? Cause ya know, we don't have anything better to do with this thing... like research. Now Sven, be sure to scrape off all the heat spreader material; can't get to the die without removing it! Yes... hmm... I have nothing better to do with my PhD than analyze whether or not Slvr voided his warranty by overclocking... yes... mmm..."

What a moron. LOL.

-mpjesse

billion dollar electron microscope?

Man it is evident that during your delivery instead to give you a snap in your ass they drop you on your head, and now we all can see it!

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You are a LEGEND in your own mind!

You are full of it and I do not have to prove it!

I bet you your PC also costs half a billion U$ dollars, so you are using WEB TV to make those posts!

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You are adicted to make foul of yourself, but you want to grind the gears.

Want to see a real moron?

It is not a shame.

Look in the mirror and every time you will see at least one! Your mirror doesn't lie, so face the truth.

Don't ever talk about issues which are above your head, as always you do!

 

[pcrig]

The warranty is clear contract and it cowers ONLY defects in "materials and workmanship", should there will be found that there is NO defect in materials AMD at its option has NOT breached the warranty contract.

So what are materials defects?
impurities or SOI insulators leaks.

There is NO chance that you would win the case when under the electron microscope it can be proven that ther was NO defects in materials or workmanship.

All they need to do is to look at the structure of crystals!
So be aware that AMD acts in GOOD FAITH!

the excessive temperature can be proven by color deviation of crystals under the electron microscope.

You're not even making sense. It's obvious that there's a pretty major defect if the chip at stock is running so hot that it dies under the retail cooler with AMD's suggested TIM or better (such as AS5) in a case with average (or better) ventillation. That's clearly a materials or workmanship defect.

If that happened to me, I wouldn't hesitate to RMA it. And if AMD fought me on it, I'd fight them tooth and nail. So what's your point?

And what the heck does an electron microscope have to do with the price of tea in China? Heck, what does crystal structure have to do with workmanship? That's only materials.

I'd suggest you stop talking about things you clearly have no knowledge about.

I'm like a clown. I'm fun for everyone!



Are you also blond? and still virgin? You are not like a clown, you are the clown!

You are not fun for every one as you are claiming, you have real tears in your eyes. !

Do not cry that they are chasing you, that white jacket will make sure no one will hurt you, and the most important you will not hurt yourself!

The bells toll loud, cause empty inside!

 

[mpjesse]

1. I was exaggerating the cost
2. It was a joke
3. You listed the costs of very old and very basic electron microscopes. I'm sure AMD is not in the business of buying used equipment anyways.

Come on old timer relax and learn to take a joke.

I was serious however about AMD actually bothering to figure out whether a chip has been overclocked using an electron microscope. Do you really believe that?

You know what... forget it. You're right. No matter how much I argue with you, you'll always be right in your own mind. So forget it.

YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
YOU ARE THE FOREMOST AUTHORITY ON WARRANTIES, THERMAL PASTE, AND ELECTRON MICROSCOPES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO ME- I AM JUST A MORTAL IN YOUR WORLD- YOU ARE A PC GOD.
YOU HAVE NO EGO.
YOU ARE PERFECT.
I AM A COMPLETE IDIOT COMPARED TO YOU.
BECAUSE I AM YOUNG, I KNOW NOTHING. OLD GODS LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
NOTHING CAN SUBSTITUTE FOR EXPERIENCE. (except Bill Clinton... wasn't he like the 3rd youngest president ever? funny how many revere him as one of the best president in modern times (including me). yes, bill clinton is the exception.)
I NEED TO BE DROPPED ON MY HEAD AND SNAPPED IN MY ASS. YOU CAN HAVE THE LAST WORD- GO AHEAD.
I WON'T REPLY TO ANY MORE OF YOUR INSIPID POSTS.

(P.S., I'd quit posting in here if I were you. You're clearly wasting your time and PC expertise. None of us know what the hell we're talking about- you are in the company of morons. We present absolutely no challenge to you. So move on to Anandtech's forums- everyone is perfect there. You will enjoy yourself there. You will find mental equals there.)

 

[pcrig]

1. I was exaggerating the cost
2. It was a joke

You believe that calling someone a moron is a joke?

I don't!

I don't know what you are smoking, buy that stuff is really strong!
NOW EXHALE!

3. You listed the costs of very old and very basic electron microscopes. I'm sure AMD is not in the business of buying used equipment anyways.

It is business and in business money talk, while bull $$hit walks.

Come on old timer relax and learn to take a joke.

I CAN take a joke, but lets make sure it is a joke and not a tragedy while demonstrating overheated brain cells due to application of phase change material to your own forehead with no properly sized heat sink!

I was serious however about AMD actually bothering to figure out whether a chip has been overclocked using an electron microscope. Do you really believe that?

It is all about money, and if Dirk Mayers decide that the Good Faith hurts stock holders, they will!

You know what... forget it. You're right. No matter how much I argue with you, you'll always be right in your own mind. So forget it.

I didn't told you, but I am being paid to be always right! That is my job.

YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
YOU ARE THE FOREMOST AUTHORITY ON WARRANTIES, THERMAL PASTE, AND ELECTRON MICROSCOPES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO ME- I AM JUST A MORTAL IN YOUR WORLD- YOU ARE A PC GOD.
YOU HAVE NO EGO.
YOU ARE PERFECT.
I AM A COMPLETE IDIOT COMPARED TO YOU.
BECAUSE I AM YOUNG, I KNOW NOTHING. OLD GODS LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
NOTHING CAN SUBSTITUTE FOR EXPERIENCE.

YOU COULDN't say it better!
You fight of sword you'll die of own sword, it is only matter of time!

(except Bill Clinton... wasn't he like the 3rd youngest president ever? funny how many revere him as one of the best president in modern times (including me). yes, bill clinton is the exception.)

That clown? He UmBUSHED himself!

I NEED TO BE DROPPED ON MY HEAD AND SNAPPED IN MY ASS.

Sorry, once was enuff, the process is NOT reversible any more!

YOU CAN HAVE THE LAST WORD- GO AHEAD.
I WON'T REPLY TO ANY MORE OF YOUR INSIPID POSTS.

Keep in mind the one is really laughing, who is laughing the last!

(P.S., I'd quit posting in here if I were you. You're clearly wasting your time and PC expertise. None of us know what the hell we're talking about- you are in the company of morons. We present absolutely no challenge to you. So move on to Anandtech's forums- everyone is perfect there. You will enjoy yourself there. You will find mental equals there.)

Are you suggesting that all the morons on this forum stick together? Let them each eat their own kosher "turf", their own way.

It is free country, most important I can afford it, I have no intention to carry the crap of sleaze divers!

PEACE PLEASE

 

[SidVicious]

We're definetly dealing with a Ferrous Cranus with an hint of Blowhard and a dash of ALLCAPS

 

[hergieburbur]

Seriously, you are just about the most closed minded bigot I've ever seen in heere. And for you info, you really aren't all the knowledgable. Nobody cares how much you can afford or how much you know. And I am sure nobody else appreciates your numerous thinly veiled racial slurs.

Please try to be at least a little civil while you are telling us all how wrong we are and how everyone who doesn't do things your way is an idiot. Thanks

 

[pip_seeker]

First off how much do you think it costs Amd or Intel in material to make a Processor?

Probably a lot less then they would pay some one to inspect one to find out if it was fried or whatever, by unwarrantable means. They have plenty of other work they could have this person do.

Do you honestly think they are going to waste manpower on this when they are fighting to stay alive against Intel?

So it's rather unlikely they are going to spend any amount of money on the type of equipment you are suggesting.

If they did it would be used in ways to make the processors better or find flaws, not discriminate because they got an returned "DOA" processor.

 

[pcrig]

We're definetly dealing with a Ferrous Cranus with an hint of Blowhard and a dash of ALLCAPS

Better with Ferrous Cranus than with mental blowhard

Man you morons really act like well organized bunch of SidVicious
suffering from suppressed mental hergieburbur with retards!

Why should I give a rib

"Wise men never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is hergieburbur".

 

[pip_seeker]

Wisemen don't call names and act like children, but maybe you forgot about that?

 

[SidVicious]

And then he turned into Compost

 

[hergieburbur]

What's the point of responding to him in the first place? We're all wrong anyway. Maybe if we ignore him he'll leave us all to our ignorant bliss

 

[zhe]

how about canola oil?

and i think u made a mistake - those temperatures r when those oil become 'smoke' (i would call that sublime). heavier oils (with a long aliphatic chain of carbons, for example) have a higher molecular weight and stronger intermolecular instantaneous dipole moments - too complex for ur little brain to comprehend.

i actually know something about chemistry, unlike some - BIG guy (with nothing more than skull). i bet u r one of those big, fat and certainly ugly ones that sits on ur arse all day with nothing better to do than trying to prove EVERYONE wrong using Google (lmfao) - one piece of advice, get a LIFE!

oh about the P4, just shows how much u really know about hardware - http://www.silentpcreview.com/Sections+index-req-printpage-artid-233.html a 2.8Ghz could reach 67 degrees celsius underload - notwithstanding ambient temperature. in hotter climates (again atmospheric pressure and humidity also play a role - more parameters for ur non-existent brain to consider), those numbers could rise dramatically - and that's without OCing.

i am usually not this rude to other ppl but i was trying to have a civil discussion with ppl, and all u know is to mouth off at other ppl and put them down - if u were abused too often at school (wouldn't surprise me) then pls go and see a cousellor.

cheers

 

[zhe]

'The exact temperatures will also depend on how pure the oil is.

The boiling point estimates that I've found are pretty sketchy'

if u even bother to read the so-called piece of 'evidence' that u found. again atmospheric pressure plays a role.

please, if u really have time, go and get a part time job and get urself a degree before u start talking - just grabbing the first line u found of Google simply isn't enough.

a logical piece for u to consider - how would u be able to reach those temperatures with a HOUSEHOLD stove? yet u do see smoking with ur cooking oil - that question is enough for u to spend a year of study on it. and pls this time, don't just use Google to prove other ppl wrong coz u r just making urself look more stupid that u already r - which is previously thought impossible:-D.

 

[zhe]

hey man, really, don't waste ur time with him - his skull is perhaps better than any kevlar ever made by mankind, and his punitive knowledge proves that he's always right (with Google) in his own little world.

educated and civil discussions r just simply beyond the confines of this mental capacity.:-D