THG (P)reviews "Core 2 Quadro" - aka Kentsfield!

[exit2dos]

WOWWWWW

I'll bet you invented the internet too, didnt you???

No, he invented Al Gore 8O

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

WOWWWWW

I'll bet you invented the internet too, didnt you???

No, he invented Al Gore 8O

Al Gore never said he invented the internet.. but of course Rush Limbaugh was able to make everyone think he did.

 

[spud]

You must be a pretty bad programmer.

I never said I was a good programmer either intermediate self taught C# programmer to be exact and I stress intermediate because I don't want to say I am a beginner because I have been at it for quite a while, but that’s neither here nor there.

Having dual sockets has NOTHING to do with multithreading.

But why have two sockets if you are not intending to code with multithreading in mind? Unless you mean just for the workstation then aye I guess it would help but nothing to write home about.

Having 4 cores means not needing a separate Server machine.

But having 2 cores by that standard means you don't need a dedicated server either.

With 4 cores, you can do SQL and Visual Studio and Google and Dev forums and Outlook and Word, etc WITH NO SLOWDOWNS.

I don't understand why you would have SQL and VS and two browsers open and a mail app and word processor running. The current build of what I use, MS Visual C# 2005 allows you to run browsers within the application while working on your forms. You can compile switch tabs surf or do whatever you want be so bold as to build your own simple mail app as well but I do very little emailing, instant messaging for me.

As for word I honestly don't know why you would be needing word open while working on code, you'll really have to fill me in on that one BM.

I haven’t delved into .Net yet so maybe SQL is useful to have running but for what I do I have no need for it and to be honest I haven’t even worked with SQL to have a clue on what’s what :/.

But I work on a little old P4 3.0 1024 of DDR and get relatively no slow down other than when the software starts up, shuts down or compiles, otherwise I quickly tab through what I am doing with no slow down.

Plus you can have a client VM.

Why am I using VM, why do I not want to use VT to switch from workstation to test machine or whatever reason you choose I guess to need a second work environment?

And yes I would say that I pushed for it. Do a search on voodoopc.blogspot.com

I'm sure you were the catalyst to the 4x4 concept.

One of my first posts was about 2 sockets.

That’s pretty good I can't remember my first post.

 

[intelamduser]

Someday when the Baron gets a little smarter he may reach the rank of total idiot, at this point he helps to define the word moron.

 

[turpit]

WOWWWWW

I'll bet you invented the internet too, didnt you???

No, he invented Al Gore 8O

Al Gore never said he invented the internet.. but of course Rush Limbaugh was able to make everyone think he did.

Elmo, you are absolutely correct in that Gore never said "I invented the internet"

The actual comment Gore made, during a CNN interview while campaigning for the nomination as the democratic party presidential candidate was "....I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
The meaning of the comment was self evident and a blatent personal plug for his campaign.

As for the reason I used that particular little chunk of history, well, I thought that was self evident.

BTW, Rush Limbaugh was way, way down the list of media personalities that attacked Gore on that subject, both in terms of prominance and timing.

 

[turpit]

WOWWWWW

I'll bet you invented the internet too, didnt you???

So if I ask AMD to design a CPU that will explode violently when it detects that its processing bullshit, do you think they'll build it and send it to you for Beta testing?

:trophy: Post of the Day :trophy:

His reputation is befitting is not?


Aww shucks 😳 😳

I dunno, I thougt Exit's and Josets were purty dern good

No, he invented Al Gore 8O

How come you have to start a sentence with «BTW, if you don't believe me...»?! Are you that desperate?! Are you expecting anyone to care?! Can you cry "wolf!" again?! Try harder. This time, I will not apologize.

but my vote goes to Intelamduser

Someday when the Baron gets a little smarter he may reach the rank of total idiot, at this point he helps to define the word moron.

Perhaps one of the most accurate descriptions of Baron ever written

Peace

 

[joefriday]

Go buy a Dell --- it will fail on you within a year.

That's a lie. Unless you mean that BM will probably F* it up. Then you're probably right.

 

[joefriday]

And I have "interacted" with 6 Dells (5 desktops, 1 laptop), 2 of which were from before 2000, 2 built around 2002, and the other 2 (a desktop and the laptop) were built within the last 2 years. All of these have performed flawlessly since new. Honestly Jack, do you think your experience with Dell is indicative of the brand? Come on, I thought you had more sense then that. Let's try to be objective on more than just CPUs.

 

[Whizzard9992]

And I have "interacted" with 6 Dells (5 desktops, 1 laptop), 2 of which were from before 2000, 2 built around 2002, and the other 2 (a desktop and the laptop) were built within the last 2 years. All of these have performed flawlessly since new. Honestly Jack, do you think your experience with Dell is indicative of the brand? Come on, I thought you had more sense then that. Let's try to be objective on more than just CPUs.

Actually its pretty common knowledge that dells suck now.

HP's on the up-and-up, especially with regards to laptops.

 

[joefriday]

I find that ironic, as Dell scores higher in PC magazine's reader's choice polls than HP/Compaq...with a sampling size a 4,154 Dell desktop owners and 1,628 HP/Compaq desktop owners. I guess it's easy to be on the "up and up" when you're starting at the bottom of the barrel. :lol: To be fair, Dell and HP/Compaq are roughly equal when it comes reliability. Strangely enough, E-machines is much more reliable than both Dell and HP/Compaq. With only 93 E-machines desktops owners surveyed though, there may not be enough statistical data to get a true representation of E-machines. Not surprisingly, Apple is considered to be the most reliable PC, desktop or laptop. :roll:

 

[Whizzard9992]

I find that ironic, as Dell scores higher in PC magazine's reader's choice polls than HP/Compaq...with a sampling size a 4,154 Dell desktop owners and 1,628 HP/Compaq desktop owners. I guess it's easy to be on the "up and up" when you're starting at the bottom of the barrel. :lol: To be fair, Dell and HP/Compaq are roughly equal when it comes reliability. Strangely enough, E-machines is much more reliable than both Dell and HP/Compaq. With only 93 E-machines desktops owners surveyed though, there may not be enough statistical data to get a true representation of E-machines. Not surprisingly, Apple is considered to be the most reliable PC, desktop or laptop. :roll:

You don't need to read reviews if you work with these computers (and also know a lot of people who work with them).

e-Machines are garbage. They're custom-motherboards that are slow as sin, usually with only 1 or 2 pci slots. If they break, you buy a new computer.

Dell has a bad reputation with regards to customer support. Have you ever tried getting tech support? You wait 2 hours on hold just to get someone who can barely understand, let alone speak, english. Their laptops have been having MASSIVE problems with things like the integrated wireless support. Not to mention that they're generally much slower than their competitors (Sony Vaio is in the same boat).

Dell's like M$ in that they're a big marketing machine. THey tell you you're getting an 80GB 7200 RPM drive in your laptop. It could be garbage and run slower than a 5200 RPM drive, but numbers sell, not quality. That's all dell cares about at this point. That's what sells computers, and if all you've ever owned is a dell, of course you won't know the difference.

[I don't care to post links, since this is more opinion than fact.]

Dell used to be good until they started dumping crap components into their computers, and moved their tech support offshore.

People love links. Here's an interesting read.

 

[clue69less]

Dell used to be good until they started dumping crap components into their computers, and moved their tech support offshore.

Having once set up and maintained a Dell instrument controller farm, I can corroborate this claim. There's nothing quite like alternating between being put on hold for a long time, then talking to a guy that can't speak English - but he wants you to make a choice real quick Oddly, when he's pushing you to make a choice, his English magically improves - that is up until you ask the next question. Outsourcing sucks.

 

[SuperFly03]

In general I would concur with what your saying. I've owned 3 Dell's and two customer computers up until this point and there are a few things I know:

First, my Dell XPS 600r (P3 600MHz) was a great first computer. Sturdy, bullet proof, and easy to upgrade. As for reletive performance I was too young to know.

My Dell Inspiron 8000 (P3 1000Mhz, 512MB ram (i think), UXGA display) was the absolute bomb. It was fast (again no reletive performance was judged) it sounded great, but the problem was the graphics card blew. This wasn't really a problem with Dell but with ATI and Nvidia not really putting much elbow grease into mobile video cards.

Tech support on that Laptop was top noch, the 2 or 3 times I had to call in. The repairs were quick, seamless, and painless. The guy spoke perfect english understood that I wasn't retarded and could speak to me on a more technical level.

My custom system is just plain crazy and fast. It doesn't have the customer support of a Dell but it does have the quality that lately they have been lacking.

My worst experience with Dell came Summer of 2005 when my nieghbor spilled coffee on her laptop and I had to call tech support for her, because she is techtarded. I was on hold forever, I got a poorly trained script read foreigner who spoke broken english.

Side note: I do not assume everyone in the world should speak english, BUT when dealing with American consumers with tech problems, you damn well better speak english and even speak techtarded english.

Back on track: So after dealing with that very unhelpful support "technician" I waited for the box to pack up the laptop and send it off to be fixed, but it didn't come. So I called back, and OOPS they forgot to send the box..... great. So once they did finally send the box (2-3 weeks later), it took them 3-4 days to fix it.

Someone at Dell needs to shake things up.

Just my 2 cents though 8O

Edit: I failed to mention my 3rd Dell that I owned was a first gen Dell XPS based on P4C northwood and that system sucked so much ass. It used a passive heatsink on a P4C @ 3.0Ghz, not smart. I know Northwood was no prescott but come on, a passive heatsink? Not even a copper one! Grrr that thing was a space heater that doubled as a computer.

 

[Whizzard9992]

I agree with you and that sounds about right. My good friend has a P3 from Dell that was, as you said very well, bullet-proof. That thing got abused, and took it like a champ. I never had to f*ck with it; not even with the CPU fan (which is impressive. Lately that seems to be a yearly piece of maintenance). It only recently died, but lasted like 4 years.

Dell earned their top-spot as the best channel builder, but for whatever reasons decided that quality and support weren't necessary to maintain that top spot. You'll pay maybe 5% more for an HP, but you get more than your money's worth.

Dell's weren't just good; they were awesome. Rock-solid performers. They were something I could recommend with confidence. Now I just tell people to go to Best Buy and get an HP. I just build my friend's PCs. $1200 has always been the sweet-spot for a good mid-range PC.

 

[Synergy6]

Edit: I failed to mention my 3rd Dell that I owned was a first gen Dell XPS based on P4C northwood and that system sucked so much ass. It used a passive heatsink on a P4C @ 3.0Ghz, not smart. I know Northwood was no prescott but come on, a passive heatsink? Not even a copper one! Grrr that thing was a space heater that doubled as a computer.

My P4C 2.8 (I presume the extra 200MHz doesn't change *too* much) is a passive heatsink too, if you can call a large heatsink with a fan ~1 inch away "passive". Had it for 3 years and 2 months now, zero hardware issues.
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