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US vs EU pc game packagings

for some time i wanted to make this post, to deal with the differences
between the states and europe have in pc game packaging
don't know why pc games have different packagings in the US and in EU
probably cause manufacturing costs of cardboard are lower in the states
or the need to defend the jewel case industry but the reasons are not
what made me write but instead analyze both and decide what is best in
the point of view of the pc gamer

first lets do a brief description of both packagings

- US pc game packaging
small cardboard box with inside manual, quick reference card and jewel
case for storing the game cds

- EU pc game packaging
small plastic box, the ones used in dvd movies with inside manual, quick
reference card and cd stores in the box itself

so lets begin...
.. box
both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
is it being more durable cause its made of plastic
box winner: US packaging

.. manual
for what i've notice we can consider manual the same for each packaging
cause differences in paper quality and print out are not very important
manual winner: tie

.. cd storing
we have the good reliable jewel case for the US packaging and plastic
dvd style box for the EU packaging, and although they are different i
feel they both do the job very well
cd storing winner: tie

.. overall
the US packaging has better cover quality and more space, its the one
most "pretty" of them both, but the EU packaging is more durable and
integrated so basically they both are very good
overall winner: tie

if i could choose, which i can't cause i'm stuck with the EU packaging,
i would pick both, i would like to have variety in my pc game collection
and own both US and EU packaging based pc games
for my favorite pc games i would choose the US packaging and for all the
others i would choose the EU packaging
the US packaging is more for the pc gamer collector, a pc gamer that
fancies a good well designed cover and knows how to take care of it
the EU packaging is more for the young less careful pc gamer which can't
keep the different pieces of a pc game packaging together and doesn't
take good care of its pc games, so with the EU he will not have any
problem cause the box is at the same time box and the cd storing

US package: more for the adult demanding pc gamer collector
EU package: more for the younger careless pc gamer, the pc gamer that
sells and buys in the 2nd hand market or the pc gamer with more space
limitations or simply one that can't keep all the pieces of the package
together

but if i had to choose only one, i would choose the EU packaging and the
reason is that i feel its more prepared for the future, its more prepared
for the hard times pc games face ahead, its smaller, it feels it costs
less, its more durable, its better for the 2nd hand market, so if i had
to stick with only one it would be the EU packaging
in a way it would be making a small quality sacrifice in pc game package
so we could maintain pc games as packaged products
it's better something than nothing at all right?

what is trully the most important thing is pc games being always a packaged
physical product no matter what shape or material its made off

ps: any fellow pc gamer could also give a short description of all the
other pc game packagings available in the rest of the world? like africa
asia, australia and south america?
 
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg sayNO2piracy <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi,

Just a couple of thoughts..

: so lets begin...
: . box
: both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
: the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
: much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
: is it being more durable cause its made of plastic
: box winner: US packaging

This is where I have to disagree. I've been buying games for quite a few
years now and the amount of space the boxes take on my shelves is getting
too much for me. So I like smaller, more compact packaging.

: US package: more for the adult demanding pc gamer collector
: EU package: more for the younger careless pc gamer, the pc gamer that
: sells and buys in the 2nd hand market or the pc gamer with more space
: limitations or simply one that can't keep all the pieces of the package
: together

I'd have to say this is actually the other way around. When I was young I
cherished every game I had and therefore liked the larger packages. As an
adult I think that games are just games.

So in my opinion the larger package is for fans, jewelcases for the bigger
audience.

Valtteri
 
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It's odd how people attach value to game packaging when they wouldn't do the
same for a film on DVD, unless it was a box set. It's just a box FFS.
 
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"sayNO2piracy"


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Still doing whatever just to NOT play?
 
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Valtteri Pirttilä wrote:

> This is where I have to disagree. I've been buying games for quite a
> few years now and the amount of space the boxes take on my shelves is
> getting too much for me. So I like smaller, more compact packaging.

God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
(Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.

P.
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:22:11 -0000, "Paul Moloney"
<paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:


>God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>(Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>
>P.
>

In days of yore they put nice thick manuals in with your game so the
DVD cases would not have been viable. But now they just give us glossy
pamphlets with unreadable 6 point type so I'm all for the DVD cases
now.
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:14:53 +0000, sayNO2piracy
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>US vs EU pc game packagings
>
>for some time i wanted to make this post, to deal with the differences
>between the states and europe have in pc game packaging
>don't know why pc games have different packagings in the US and in EU
>probably cause manufacturing costs of cardboard are lower in the states

That or the fact that there is a completely different body of law
affecting packaging.

>so lets begin...
>. box
>both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
>the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
>much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
>is it being more durable cause its made of plastic

It's a winner for those who like to sit and spend hours looking at
the pretty box. I'd rather spend hours sitting and playing a high
quality title, but you're entitled to have your fun however you can.

>box winner: US packaging
>manual winner: tie
>cd storing winner: tie

>overall winner: tie

So one US win and 2 ties results in a overall tie. Perhaps you
should look up the defintiion of "winner".

>what is trully the most important thing is pc games being always a packaged
>physical product no matter what shape or material its made off

What is truly the most important thing is that the pc game runs well
on any system which meets the specs and the gameplay is what was
advertised.

For those who don't ever play pc games but spend hours looking at
the packaging will have different standards and they will obviously be
biased against the direct download option that insures maximum reward
for the hard working developers who actually make the games rather
than a retailer that those developers don't even know.

--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg Johnny Bravo <baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:14:53 +0000, sayNO2piracy
> <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>US vs EU pc game packagings
>>
>>so lets begin...
>>. box
>>both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
>>the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
>>much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
>>is it being more durable cause its made of plastic
>
> It's a winner for those who like to sit and spend hours looking at
> the pretty box. I'd rather spend hours sitting and playing a high
> quality title, but you're entitled to have your fun however you can.

I think the main (and only) advantage of a box is that it can contain
a bigger manual. In the past, games often had very nice booklets as
manuals, but you can't do that with the modern DVD-case packaging.

Other than that, I tend to prefer the DVD-case packaging, because it takes
up a lot less space on my shelf (although I installed three extra shelves
above my computer yesterday).


mcv.
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:14:53 +0000, sayNO2piracy
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>US vs EU pc game packagings
>
>for some time i wanted to make this post, to deal with the differences
>between the states and europe have in pc game packaging
>don't know why pc games have different packagings in the US and in EU
>probably cause manufacturing costs of cardboard are lower in the states
>or the need to defend the jewel case industry but the reasons are not
>what made me write but instead analyze both and decide what is best in
>the point of view of the pc gamer
>
>first lets do a brief description of both packagings
>
>- US pc game packaging
>small cardboard box with inside manual, quick reference card and jewel
>case for storing the game cds
>
>- EU pc game packaging
>small plastic box, the ones used in dvd movies with inside manual, quick
>reference card and cd stores in the box itself
>
>so lets begin...
>. box
>both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
>the extra space in the US box is a plus

How is wasted space a plus?
 
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"Valtteri Pirttilä" <vallu@nowhere.fi> wrote in message
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> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg sayNO2piracy <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just a couple of thoughts..
>
And the relevance for this group?

plonk for crossposting!
 
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"OnePunchMickey" <fantantiddlyspan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's odd how people attach value to game packaging when they wouldn't do
> the
> same for a film on DVD, unless it was a box set. It's just a box FFS.

And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?

Killfiled due to crossposting!
 
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"Paul Moloney" <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Valtteri Pirttilä wrote:
>
>> This is where I have to disagree. I've been buying games for quite a
>> few years now and the amount of space the boxes take on my shelves is
>> getting too much for me. So I like smaller, more compact packaging.
>
> God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
> (Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
> up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
> rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>

And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?

Killfiled due to crossposting
 
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"Connected" <connected@somewhere.here> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:22:11 -0000, "Paul Moloney"
> <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>>(Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>>up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>>rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>>
>>P.
>>
>
> In days of yore they put nice thick manuals in with your game so the
> DVD cases would not have been viable. But now they just give us glossy
> pamphlets with unreadable 6 point type so I'm all for the DVD cases
> now.

And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?

Killfiled due to crossposting
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:17 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard"
<peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:


>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>
>Killfiled due to crossposting
>
I just followed up the op. It's relevant to any gamer dumbass.
 
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"Johnny Bravo" <baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:14:53 +0000, sayNO2piracy
> <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>US vs EU pc game packagings
>>
>>for some time i wanted to make this post, to deal with the differences
>>between the states and europe have in pc game packaging
>>don't know why pc games have different packagings in the US and in EU
>>probably cause manufacturing costs of cardboard are lower in the states
>
> That or the fact that there is a completely different body of law
> affecting packaging.
>
>>so lets begin...
>>. box
>>both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
>>the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
>>much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
>>is it being more durable cause its made of plastic
>
> It's a winner for those who like to sit and spend hours looking at
> the pretty box. I'd rather spend hours sitting and playing a high
> quality title, but you're entitled to have your fun however you can.
>
>>box winner: US packaging
>>manual winner: tie
>>cd storing winner: tie
>
>>overall winner: tie
>
> So one US win and 2 ties results in a overall tie. Perhaps you
> should look up the defintiion of "winner".
>
>>what is trully the most important thing is pc games being always a
>>packaged
>>physical product no matter what shape or material its made off
>
> What is truly the most important thing is that the pc game runs well
> on any system which meets the specs and the gameplay is what was
> advertised.
>
> For those who don't ever play pc games but spend hours looking at
> the packaging will have different standards and they will obviously be
> biased against the direct download option that insures maximum reward
> for the hard working developers who actually make the games rather
> than a retailer that those developers don't even know.
>

And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?

Killfiled due to crossposting
 
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"mcv" <mcvmcv@xs3.xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg Johnny Bravo <baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:14:53 +0000, sayNO2piracy
>> <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>US vs EU pc game packagings
>>>
>>>so lets begin...
>>>. box
>>>both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
>>>the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
>>>much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
>>>is it being more durable cause its made of plastic
>>
>> It's a winner for those who like to sit and spend hours looking at
>> the pretty box. I'd rather spend hours sitting and playing a high
>> quality title, but you're entitled to have your fun however you can.
>
> I think the main (and only) advantage of a box is that it can contain
> a bigger manual. In the past, games often had very nice booklets as
> manuals, but you can't do that with the modern DVD-case packaging.
>
> Other than that, I tend to prefer the DVD-case packaging, because it takes
> up a lot less space on my shelf (although I installed three extra shelves
> above my computer yesterday).
>

And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?

Killfiled due to crossposting
 
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Peter Lykkegaard wrote:

> Killfiled due to crossposting

Dry your eyes. Half-Life comes in a box last time I looked.
 
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sayNO2piracy wrote:
> US vs EU pc game packagings
>
> for some time i wanted to make this post, to deal with the differences
> between the states and europe have in pc game packaging
> don't know why pc games have different packagings in the US and in EU
> probably cause manufacturing costs of cardboard are lower in the states
> or the need to defend the jewel case industry but the reasons are not
> what made me write but instead analyze both and decide what is best in
> the point of view of the pc gamer
>
> first lets do a brief description of both packagings
>
> - US pc game packaging
> small cardboard box with inside manual, quick reference card and jewel
> case for storing the game cds

In the US I'm finding my game CD's often come with
paper sleeves instead of jewel cases.

> - EU pc game packaging
> small plastic box, the ones used in dvd movies with inside manual, quick
> reference card and cd stores in the box itself
>
> so lets begin...
> . box
> both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
> the extra space in the US box is a plus

Why? They don't exactly make use of it.
There is an option for a box with a fold-out cover so you
have more info to look at before you buy, but so many stores
are starting to put games in individual theft-proof plastic
cases that you can't open the cover anyway. (They remove
the plastic case when you go to buy the game).


> . cd storing
> we have the good reliable jewel case for the US packaging

Except when we have the paper sleeves.

> and plastic
> dvd style box for the EU packaging, and although they are different i
> feel they both do the job very well
> cd storing winner: tie

But I prefer individual paper sleeves over having 2 or more
CD's stacked on the same spindle in a DVD case. It's sometimes
very difficult to remove the CD from that kind of spindle.
Pushing on the center of the multi-CD spindle has no effect
because it's a solid mass. I've had CD's that were so tight
on those spindles that they bent almost in half when I tried
to pull them out. And I've read where some people had the
CD break in two when they tried to remove it.
Terrible packaging.

> . overall
> the US packaging has better cover quality and more space, its the one
> most "pretty" of them both, but the EU packaging is more durable and
> integrated so basically they both are very good
> overall winner: tie

DVD packaging is also better for shipping through the
mail. Boxes often get squashed in the mail. They show up
squashed in retail stores too, so this isn't strictly
a mail order problem.
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:17 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard"
<peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Connected" <connected@somewhere.here> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:22:11 -0000, "Paul Moloney"
>> <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>>>(Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>>>up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>>>rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>>>
>>>P.
>>>
>>
>> In days of yore they put nice thick manuals in with your game so the
>> DVD cases would not have been viable. But now they just give us glossy
>> pamphlets with unreadable 6 point type so I'm all for the DVD cases
>> now.
>
>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>
The fact that HL2 HAD one of those flimsy pieces of paper, and no
manual ?

--

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes !
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:01 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard"
<peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Paul Moloney" <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:39avshF5u1apuU1@individual.net...
>> Valtteri Pirttilä wrote:
>>
>>> This is where I have to disagree. I've been buying games for quite a
>>> few years now and the amount of space the boxes take on my shelves is
>>> getting too much for me. So I like smaller, more compact packaging.
>>
>> God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>> (Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>> up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>> rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>>
>
>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>
It's a game ? And it came in a box ? Or maybe a DVD case ?

--

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes !
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !
 
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CounterStrikeJunkie wrote:

>
> The funny part is the topic is relevant to HalfLife.
>
> So, perhaps you are blaming the right person, its just that your reason is
> wrong.
>
> BTW, why did you feel the need to post the Killfile addition, why not just
> killfile them and say nothing.
>
> Starved for attention are you.
>
>
>

My HL2 came in a van. I'm not going to start a thread on the
adavantages of a Mercedes Sprinter against a Ford transit. Who gives a
toss about a box?

Why announce killfiles? Perhaps he thought a point should be made?
Folk who wish to have verbal diorhea about the relative merits of the
types of f'ing boxes you get in different parts of the world might be
better visitng

http://www.blogwise.com/search?q=obsessive%20compulsive

and writing this stuff in a rambling blog where it might be read by
someone that would appreciate it.

--
I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh... You've
'done it'...
What do you mean?
Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Yes...
What's it like?
 
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"Mark Morrison" <drdpikeuk@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:17 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard"
> <peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Connected" <connected@somewhere.here> wrote in message
>>news:5lq0311ekdiav9ggj4vheo5vnufo79dok1@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:22:11 -0000, "Paul Moloney"
>>> <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>>>>(Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>>>>up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>>>>rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>>>>
>>>>P.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In days of yore they put nice thick manuals in with your game so the
>>> DVD cases would not have been viable. But now they just give us glossy
>>> pamphlets with unreadable 6 point type so I'm all for the DVD cases
>>> now.
>>
>>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>>
> The fact that HL2 HAD one of those flimsy pieces of paper, and no
> manual ?
>
> --
>
And the retail version comes in a DVD case
 
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>>
>
> And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>
> Killfiled due to crossposting
>
And this is more relevant to alt.games.half-life how?

You also crossposted, will you now place yourself in your killfile?

Oh and non-steam versions of Half-Life come in packaging, the discussion is
game packaging and Half-Life is a game.
 
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"Mark Morrison" wrote

> The fact that HL2 HAD one of those flimsy pieces of paper, and no
> manual ?
>
When did you last RTFM?

- Peter
 
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"Mark Morrison" wrote

> It's a game ?

Check

> And it came in a box ?

Nope

> Or maybe a DVD case ?
>
Nope

And the relevance is?

- Peter