Will X2 939 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHZ

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Gota,

Nice magic trick....

Pulling non-useful, non-relevant, non-factual "ie.. fictional" information right out of thin air.

Please provide links to these ES folks that are not happy.

Also, Given these are ES and they are running pre-release boards, of which many did not specifically recognize the Conroe, you would have to expect this to happen. Although I have not heard reports of this. Also, given the extreme overclocking being done on these pre-release everything, would you not expect a certain level of failure? A 50% overclock is a stretch by most standards and is cause for concern for long term usage.

Please try to understand where this information is coming from and also please try to understand its usage!

PS.. Please continue to reah for the stars " the air is thiner up there too".
 
Not every Conroe-compatable mobo is going to be $250+ either. Just realize that it isn't just black or white here, and if price were his only criteria, he wouldn't have only asked if the 3800+ is faster. He would have asked which is cheaper.
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That is true, but seeing as he's choosing between a budget Conroe and an X2 3800+, I'd say price is a factor. If price had no bearing, I'd say get the E6700.
The x975 supports crossfire (if you are lucky and find the bios or the proper board mods) never the less a lot of headaches to make them work properly. The only motherboard that is officially supporting conroe is the new p965 chipset. But Unfortunately the board is not SLI or crossfire ready.
Read the disappointing review by Anandtech on one of these mobo.
The AM2 mobo is SLI ready (for gamers) and upgradable to K8L, which is due by Nov./Dec 06(4 rev G 65nm CPU's this year ) 1stQ 07 K8L will be released in full and as promised will be much better performer than K8.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2789
 
Gota,

Nice magic trick....

Pulling non-useful, non-relevant, non-factual "ie.. fictional" information right out of thin air.

Please provide links to these ES folks that are not happy.

Also, Given these are ES and they are running pre-release boards, of which many did not specifically recognize the Conroe, you would have to expect this to happen. Although I have not heard reports of this. Also, given the extreme overclocking being done on these pre-release everything, would you not expect a certain level of failure? A 50% overclock is a stretch by most standards and is cause for concern for long term usage.

Please try to understand where this information is coming from and also please try to understand its usage!

PS.. Please continue to reah for the stars " the air is thiner up there too".
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It's not magic. Link below:
Read the entire thread if you like, but the last a few pages tell the story.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=464023
 
Can't we just quit the arguments......

At least until THE FRIGGIN CHIP IS RELEASED!


(Nothing personal to whom I replied to, just happened to be the last entry)
 
I believe Yes.
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Of course you do.

3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus.
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And the E6300 can't overclock?

AMD’s are SLI ready.
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The E6300 is not? All it needs is a motherboard.

The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games. check the link below.
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Of course, slower than other Conroes. Not the X2 3800+.

I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints. These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.
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No, that was probably Shakiraboob.

Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961
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And you think the retail versions will be worse than 6-month old Engineering Samples???

Anyway, you got what you wanted. Attention.
 
Hello all,

Thanks a lot for ur opinion.
Here are my requirements which I should have explained in the first place. I am sorry I did not do that.

1. My primary aim is that I want a dual core CPU.

2. My primary requirements are lots of Office kind of applications, heavy multitasking, should not slow down VISTA(it will be resource hungry), occasional gaming, mp3 encoding/decoding.

3. The expected price of 3800 is abt $169 and for CONROE 1.86 about $183, which is a little difference.
4. I would not prefer to consider Pentium D 805 cos it has only 533 MHZ FSB, heats up a lot, will be slower than both of the above CPUs. I am not an overclocker.
5. About the price factor, yes I do not want to go very high end (E6700, fx-62) and do not want to go low end(Pentium D 805)
6. I also would like not to upgrade my system for next 2-3 years.

Please let me know your opinions.
 
Hello all,

Thanks a lot for ur opinion.
Here are my requirements which I should have explained in the first place. I am sorry I did not do that.

1. My primary aim is that I want a dual core CPU.

2. My primary requirements are lots of Office kind of applications, heavy multitasking, should not slow down VISTA(it will be resource hungry), occasional gaming, mp3 encoding/decoding.

3. The expected price of 3800 is abt $169 and for CONROE 1.86 about $183, which is a little difference.
4. I would not prefer to consider Pentium D 805 cos it has only 533 MHZ FSB, heats up a lot, will be slower than both of the above CPUs. I am not an overclocker.
5. About the price factor, yes I do not want to go very high end (E6700, fx-62) and do not want to go low end(Pentium D 805)
6. I also would like not to upgrade my system for next 2-3 years.

Please let me know your opinions.
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Then it's painfully obvious...E6300.
 
check this out on RHT release. It's happening. looks like AMD is pulling rabbit out of the hat :)
Are]http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32790
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Are you and 9-Inch Siamese Twins?

A SLOVAKIAN FRIEND sent us a link to an AMD web site where a new utility can be found and downloaded.
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Yeah, a friend of a friend of a friend told us.

AMD Dual-Core Optimizer is a piece of software that allegedly improves gaming performance by bypassing Windows' API in some specific situations.
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Allegedly? Keep praying, and maybe something will come to the rescue. :roll:
 
That is true, but I still won't expect the Intel's 965 chipset boards to be that cheap either. Over all I think the 1.86GHz Core 2 will be his best bet, but the AMD system is also competitve with the price difference.
 
I believe Yes. 3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus. AMD’s are SLI ready. The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games. check the link below. I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints.
These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.
Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961
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I don't say it can't be done! I'm saying it's gonna be easier overall to overclock with 1,86ghz Conroe. This because of smaller heat dissipation. I might be wrong tough, but I'd be surpirsed. I think we might be having a new Celeron 300 here :lol:

OK!!! You're talking ES chip which are known for not being up to task compare to real product. Just like a prototype car can't compare (usually) to real production model.

NOW, go check different review floating around the web and you'll find none saying bad thing about the chips. Even better, some of these site were previously known to be pro-AMD, which proove that maybe they were saying the reality, PentiumD sucked for most task. But they are now saying the opposite, which should prove my point.

Don't get me wrong! I know/strongly hope AMD we'll get back with something even better. But I think we'll say in 6 months from now that Intel won these round. That's for the fair judge of course!

Now, what would anybody loose, if not their pride for being to much of a big mouth, for AMD loosing the performances and price-performances crown to Intel for the next 6-12 months? AMD selling their cpu for more than Intel should in itself be enough for them to consider Intel.

The simple fact that all sites agree about Core2Duo performances should be enough to give it enough credibility that all AMD-FANBOY stop shooting "LIE!" and take the wait and see way!

I'll myself apologize if they were all wrong, but Intel confidence tells me I won't have to. :wink:
 
Hello all,

Thanks a lot for ur opinion.
Here are my requirements which I should have explained in the first place. I am sorry I did not do that.

1. My primary aim is that I want a dual core CPU.

2. My primary requirements are lots of Office kind of applications, heavy multitasking, should not slow down VISTA(it will be resource hungry), occasional gaming, mp3 encoding/decoding.

3. The expected price of 3800 is abt $169 and for CONROE 1.86 about $183, which is a little difference.
4. I would not prefer to consider Pentium D 805 cos it has only 533 MHZ FSB, heats up a lot, will be slower than both of the above CPUs. I am not an overclocker.
5. About the price factor, yes I do not want to go very high end (E6700, fx-62) and do not want to go low end(Pentium D 805)
6. I also would like not to upgrade my system for next 2-3 years.

Please let me know your opinions.
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We'll know for sure in end of july. But everything points out to a complete domination of the 1,86ghz Core2Duo over the A64X2 3800+.

I think that you would be better with the E6400 if you don't plan to overclock tough. The performances difference should be enough to make it worthwhile. The price difference in retail should be less than 50$. These is nothing when included in the total price of your system.

You could even get higher latency memory for the difference and still get way better performances. This because Core2Duo cpu have better memory prefetch that kind-of-hide the latency difference of memory module. The A64X2 cpu don't have that system because they relay more on their faster memory controler to make the difference. So in these case, lower latency module make more of a difference.
 
I think the general concensus is that the Conroe E6300's performance is somewhere around an AMD X2 4200+ or a 4400+. Your best bet would be to wait until a couple weeks after the Conroe launch, then start pricing processors and motherboards together. I think by then there will be some competitively priced Conroe compatible boards. I'm going with the X2 3800+ though, as it'll be cheaper and have more than enough power for my budget gaming rig.
 
Wazzzzzup LMM?
I believe Yes.
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Yes, you belive in every crap that speaks good about AMD and bad about Intel.

3800 can overclock to 3ghz stock HSF and prime stable, plus.
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Lair. Can you provide some proves about this lie. I can prove that my Venice(it is single core and produces less heat) can't work stable on more than 2.75GHz. Some of the numbers that speaks about my Venice: "0517 DPMW" if this means something about K8 and overclocking to a noob like you are.
Core2 overclocks twice in % than K8, read the sticky thread about Core2 Duo and suffer.
AMD’s are SLI ready.
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So WTF? Everybody is SLI ready, but I don't understand this in your concept of BSing around.
The E6300 is 2mb cache and will be slow in games.
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If E6300 will be slow in games, the X2-3800+ will be much more slower. Again, you have the sticky thread which actually makes fanboys like you to suffer.

check the link below. I am seeing a lot of privileged Intel's front runner fanboys who advertised for conroe w/ their cherry picked ES, beginning to show their dissatisfactions and complaining about "conroe being hot", "motherboards frying", "no good bios available", "Can not overclock and be stable",
"Motherboards and chipset FSB overclocking limitations" and plenty other complaints

These are the same "privileged" fanboys who where cheerleading conroe for the past 2.5 months.
Best to wait for retail version and non "super cooked" ES’s hit the market and average un-bias users report their findings here and in the other forums.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=465961
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you are full of $hit.
 
If you read the french web site that showed the difference between the 2meg, and 4meg conroes, it also contained full benchmarks of games and other applications.

Its performance was ranged from 'better than an X2 4400, to better than X2 4800' and that was running at stock 1.86Ghz.

As for the X2 outperforming the Conroe if you overclock it to 3Ghz. Well they already clocked the 1.86Ghz @2.4, and it seriously outperformed an
X2 4400@3.1ghz, so I think it's win all round for the Conroe.

As for motherboards, there will be quite a few new boards out for Conroe very soon, including Nforce 5 Intel edition, for Nvidia SLI, and the 975X motherboards while expensive support Crossfire and Conroe already.

If the system is for a 'budget' where cost is important, lack of SLI, and Crossfire is not likely to be an issue, in which case there are already some 'Value' boards based on the 965 chipset which are half the price of the 975X boards.
 
Exactly, Thanx You, For Once Someone Agrees With Me.

I Myself Plan On Keeping My Current Rig (Listed In My Sig. Wadda Ya Think? Want A Pic?) But Heres What Im Gonna Do:

1. Replacing My 3800+ (Wich Might I Add Gets A Very Nice 2600MHz Overclock, Will Even Boot Windows At 3GHz But Its Unstable And Hot!) With A Opteron 170 After The Price-Cuts.
2. Replacing My 7800GT With, http://stores.tomshardware.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=20779640
3. Upgrading My Hard Drive With A Couple Of 76GB Raptors In Raid-0 Plus A 160GB Backup IDE Drive (Western Digital!)
4. A Better SLI Approved PSU, Can Ya Reccomend One Thats In The 650Watt Range That Wont Cost Me $200.00+?
5.And A Completely Customized Case Cooled With A Huge 720mm Side-Inflow Fan
 
Locking bus speeds would be very hard to do. I suppose it is theoretically possible, but it would be a waste of engineering effort to say the least.
 
Idiots

Core Duo II's are faster clock for clock then AMD's (2.66 vs 2.8ghz anyone?) hows AMD going to match with a cpu with not even 1/2 the L2 there aswell?

That intel chip will do everything better - Cheaper, Faster, Colder, Better Overclocker.

Hello,

I want to know if 939 X2 3800+ be faster than CONROE 1.86 GHz.

I am considering it after the price drop.

Rgds,
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Hi,
i agree that the competiton between intel and AMD is very healthy for the consumer. But I like AMD to grow over intel because intel still has the bigger share of the market.And in my opinion AMD had the best engineering designed CPUs... until now?... i think

But in this moment i think the best buy for the performance/money is the PENTIUM D 930 presler. Is faster than X2 3800 and much much cheaper
 
Idiots

Core Duo II's are faster clock for clock then AMD's (2.66 vs 2.8ghz anyone?) hows AMD going to match with a cpu with not even 1/2 the L2 there aswell?

That intel chip will do everything better - Cheaper, Faster, Colder, Better Overclocker.
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You don't know much about processors if you're calling everyone idiots. Not to mention it's a bit rude. Cache is used because of bandwidth limitations. Because flow to and from the processor is done better on the AMD platform, it gets far less of a boost from cache size. Look into the performance difference between 512 and 1MB isn't nearly as much as Intel's are between 1MB and 2MB or 4MB for that matter. Considering AMD processors are running similiar temps at 90nm as Intel's at 65nm are, I don't really consider the Intel or the AMD "colder." I think the overclocking issue needs much more data at this point, though.
 
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