Windows 8 to Support Native ISO and VHD Mounting

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[citation][nom]LetsAllSueMS[/nom]@rayymondone of two things will occur, MS has to pay licensing fee for every copy of windows sold to RarLabs and Adobe, or MS gets sued the daylights out of them for using their monopoly to strong arm competition out of sales, in the worst case scenario both may actually occur together[/citation]
Since Foxit I would think that PDFs are no longer Adobe proprietary.
[citation][nom]SteelCity1981[/nom]Oh yes it cost them so much money to put in actual useful programs on their system yet they put crap out like windows live garbage.[/citation]
The Windows Live "garbage" as you call it are tools that should be integrated but have been demerged to prevent more anti-trust cases. I am sure that if IE can be ruled against then so could Messnger and Mail programs. The fact that MS Security Essentials is a very sound free antivirus means that if they ever integrated it into the OS they would be dragged in front of the DoJ faster than you can say AVG.

Yes they are basic, yes there are better tools out there, but they are free so what is the problem? If they are so bad then don't download them, it's not like they were cluttering your hard drive to start with.

 

[shin0bi272]

that's cool and all but winRAR has been around longer than iso images and virtual drives and windows still doesnt support it natively.

That being said I think I'll stick with alcohol 52%... its free and does what I need it to do without Microsoft's fingers poking around into what Im loading up

 

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[citation][nom]shin0bi272[/nom]that's cool and all but winRAR has been around longer than iso images and virtual drives and windows still doesnt support it natively.That being said I think I'll stick with alcohol 52%... its free and does what I need it to do without Microsoft's fingers poking around into what Im loading up[/citation]
You are saying that Microsoft spies on what you use your PC for, maybe with some kind of back door? Even if that was true Microsoft would have to say they were doing it first otherwise someone would have found it already. There are lots of very smart people out there that have no lives and spend all their time poking around Windows to try and prove exactly this.

It has never happened and never will because if Microsoft ever did this they would lose all business and Government business, as well as all the paranoid geeks that have a secret porn stash.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have benefits, because you could smash cyberterrorism and kiddie porn overnight, and the fact that both those things are still a problem pretty much debunks the theory.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

Are you two sleeping with each other? You are arguing like an old married couple. For a start you have a go at Wish I Was Wealthy for saying Hi to people, WTF? Since when was addressing someone and using their name anything other than being polite?

So cut down on the caffeine and if you really feel that strongly about it you can always go running off to tell mummy (I mean the moderators).

When running off to the moderators to get people "told off" fails because not everyone uses forums the same way you do, ie perfectly, you could always fall back on the old chestnut of name calling, thumbing down and generally being childish.

Better still, generate at least 4 duplicate accounts of your own so that you can give 4 thumbs down and hide this whole post.

If you check his messages' list, you'll see that he does that BS everywhere and mousemonkey is sick of deleting his BS. I did tell the moderators, and they took note. Any more questions?

 

[reggieray]

Wow, Windows catching up with Linux.

 

[reggieray]

[citation][nom]digiex[/nom]Can they make Word the default word processor instead of Write, and Excel as a replacement of calculator.[/citation]
No tool , you must by Word for a large sum of cash, obey Redmond.
Better yet download Open Office.

 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Any more questions?[/citation]
Yeah, why even engage him in the first place?
He gets soundly ignored by me because he is clearly a total dick, you got it from me because you know better.
I've been here long enough to see the people that don't have technical input and just spend all day trolling last a few weeks and disappear for good, even if they don't get banned.
DNFTT.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

Yeah, why even engage him in the first place?
He gets soundly ignored by me because he is clearly a total dick, you got it from me because you know better.
I've been here long enough to see the people that don't have technical input and just spend all day trolling last a few weeks and disappear for good, even if they don't get banned.
DNFTT.

Because I'm sick of it and wanted to see whether he's just genuinely stupid or indeed trolling. I've seen enough cases to confidently say that sometimes it isn't easy to figure out. Turns out he was just trolling, so problem solved, mods alerted. Now, drop it.

 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Because I'm sick of it and wanted to see whether he's just genuinely stupid or indeed trolling. I've seen enough cases to confidently say that sometimes it isn't easy to figure out. Turns out he was just trolling, so problem solved, mods alerted. Now, drop it.[/citation]
Aye aye Captain, anything you say Boss.
So how much did you pay for Alcohol 120% once the demo expired, did you pay the full $39 or did you torrent the crack version like everyone else?

Just saying, cos this is free and doesn't involve skirting legality, if that bothers anyone of course...

 

[jacobdrj]

[citation][nom]runswindows95[/nom]Personally, I would love to go to 7, but my 4 year old hardware is too old to run 7 properly. So, I'm trying to save up to get new hardware, and right now, XP is working fine for me.[/citation]
4 year old hardware runs W7 just fine. So does 6 year old hardware. The hardware footprint requirements are low for W7.

Not saying that W7 is necessarily right for you, but that shouldn't be a reason not to switch. Besides, RAM is cheap, and if your system is a high end single core or a low end dual core, W7 will run just fine...

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

Aye aye Captain, anything you say Boss.
So how much did you pay for Alcohol 120% once the demo expired, did you pay the full $39 or did you torrent the crack version like everyone else?

Just saying, cos this is free and doesn't involve skirting legality, if that bothers anyone of course...

Alcohol 120% isn't free? 😱

 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Alcohol 120% isn't free?[/citation]
I kind of expected that answer, complaining about free software at the same time as being a software thief, that is both ironic and hypocritical at the same time.

When Windows 8 comes out and other people try the ISO mounting, they may not bother with dodgy downloads and will save $39 at the same time.

But automatically dissing it before the OS has even been released is just daft.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

I kind of expected that answer, complaining about free software at the same time as being a software thief, that is both ironic and hypocritical at the same time.

When Windows 8 comes out and other people try the ISO mounting, they may not bother with dodgy downloads and will save $39 at the same time.

But automatically dissing it before the OS has even been released is just daft.

Would you start READING for once? 😀 I haven't complained about the new ISO feature ONCE - I personally think it's good.

Software thief? You're speaking about irony and at the same time totally disregard when someone is being ironic towards you... that is sad.

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]ojas[/nom]Funny about how people complain when microsoft doesn't change much in their OS, and still continue to do so even when the company does change and improve things.I think it's a great step forward, even if they're behind times. After all, microsoft's user base doesn't comprise of just Tom's members and power users. I think they're trying to make Windows 8 the sort of OS that everyone can use with ease (although i'd note that i could use win 95 without too much of an issue when i was 5 years old, but we all know today's kids are controlled by Apple ). There are many people who'd sit and stare at an iso file for days, only to call in tech support at the end. This is good for them.+1.[/citation]

i want the changes to be under the hood, i can argue that win 7 has a better engine than xp does, i dont think anyone can argue there, however i despise the gui of windows 7, and simply cant get over many of te retarded decisions they made all for the sake of making it "easier" to use.

[citation][nom]clonazepam[/nom]It's off-topic but yeah, I couldn't imagine ever going back to XP. Take just one aspect of 7 like new hardware detection and installation, and "Devices and Printers" section makes it worthwhile. Some guy told me with Win7, he was able to take a raid 0 install to a single SSD, and swapped out a nvida chipset board for an intel one, with a whole bunch of new hardware also, and didn't even encounter a single hiccup. There was some software / driver cleanup but that's to be expected. I imagine that could have been more problematic with XP. idk for sure cuz I wouldn't even try it. Sounds like that'd be a whole new install of XP to me.[/citation]

lol, at that point i would have just did a full format, even if the problems weren't there, id still have done a format and unloaded the ssd data to a hdd.

[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]While it's kind of funny to see MS "catching up slow" to what's been around for many years, let me remind you that it is NOT Microsoft's task to supply you with software for all kinds of tasks you may or may not wish to perform on your machine. They already do quite a bit by supplying you with the OS itself as well as Office, Security Essentials and whatnot. And when MS tries to provide you with something, y'all get upset that MS is "forcing" their "bloatware" on you and flame them. There's no satisfying you, huh?But yeah, I agree... could've put that in Win Vista or 7 already. Still, I don't mind getting third-party software for rather non-standard tasks. You have to agree, working with disk images isn't something that an average user does. But then again, average user is stupid and shouldn't set the standard for development.[/citation]

when i think bloatware i think of crap that takes to much resources for its job.

name one thing that microsoft makes, that comes standard on windows, that is available as a third party program that uses less resources and is better than what they deliver.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

name one thing that microsoft makes, that comes standard on windows, that is available as a third party program that uses less resources and is better than what they deliver.

That's easy. K-Lite Codec Pack >>>>>> WMP.

 

[phraun]

Gonna stick with Alcohol 120%... If this is as feature-deprived as the iso burning, I'm probably going to try it once then disable it and forget about it.

Granted, for the average user this will probably be more than adequate.

 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Would you start READING for once? I haven't complained about the new ISO feature ONCE - I personally think it's good[/citation]
[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Aboot time, but I'll just keep using Alcohol 120%.[/citation]
So how did you come to your conclusion that you will keep using Alcohol 120% if you haven't used it, either you can't bear to stop using something you have legitimately paid for (unlikely) or some other reason - what could it be?

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

So how did you come to your conclusion that you will keep using Alcohol 120% if you haven't used it, either you can't bear to stop using something you have legitimately paid for (unlikely) or some other reason - what could it be?

Did I say I haven't used it? No, I think I've said exactly the opposite - I'll keep using it. And who says I didn't pay for it?

Though, in all honesty, Alcohol 120% isn't all that different from Daemon Tools - just less cluttered interface.

 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Did I say I haven't used it?[/citation]
I think I was quite clear, you haven't used Windows 8 or it's built in ISO mounting tool, therefore you have no point of reference.
You have said you will keep using Alcohol 120% based on absolutely no information whatsoever.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

I think I was quite clear, you haven't used Windows 8 or it's built in ISO mounting tool, therefore you have no point of reference.
You have said you will keep using Alcohol 120% based on absolutely no information whatsoever.

Of course I haven't used Win8. And I'm not saying its built in ISO tool is bad, so drop it. IDK what you base your arguments on... I don't mind the ISO mounter.

As for A120%... yes, I'll keep using it; I don't think Microsoft's tool will be better. Alcohol allows stuff that MS never will. For example, due to the horrible climate here a few of my CDs (NFS MW, WC3 and WC3:TFT) messed up, but since Alcohol allows me to fool the game's protection, I can still play the games even though the media I bought them on is long since destroyed. MS will NEVER allow it, face it.

 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Of course I haven't used Win8. And I'm not saying its built in ISO tool is bad, so drop it. IDK what you base your arguments on... I don't mind the ISO mounter.As for A120%... yes, I'll keep using it; I don't think Microsoft's tool will be better. Alcohol allows stuff that MS never will. For example, due to the horrible climate here a few of my CDs (NFS MW, WC3 and WC3:TFT) messed up, but since Alcohol allows me to fool the game's protection, I can still play the games even though the media I bought them on is long since destroyed. MS will NEVER allow it, face it.[/citation]
That's a pretty big leap in logic, you assume that Microsoft knows what your ISO images are, to say it will or won't allow them to be usable.

And i'll drop a subject when i'm good and ready, I haven't had a note from the mods yet asking me to calm down yet, maybe you should ask them nicely to stop the nasty man from being a big bully.

But by all means you keep using Alcohol 120%, people like you help a thriving 3rd party software industry to flourish, well done.

For the millions of people who get Windows 8 and find they have a built in ISO mounting tool it just be another helpful built in facility that you can also get elsewhere for free like calculator, paint and notepad.

If it has a relatively high level of functionality it should force the 3rd party pay-for market to up their own product to higher levels or they face going out of business.

 

[amk-aka-Phantom]

That's a pretty big leap in logic, you assume that Microsoft knows what your ISO images are, to say it will or won't allow them to be usable.

And i'll drop a subject when i'm good and ready, I haven't had a note from the mods yet asking me to calm down yet, maybe you should ask them nicely to stop the nasty man from being a big bully.

But by all means you keep using Alcohol 120%, people like you help a thriving 3rd party software industry to flourish, well done.

For the millions of people who get Windows 8 and find they have a built in ISO mounting tool it just be another helpful built in facility that you can also get elsewhere for free like calculator, paint and notepad.

If it has a relatively high level of functionality it should force the 3rd party pay-for market to up their own product to higher levels or they face going out of business.

The ISO mounting program won't know what your images are; however, many games will detect virtual drives and rebel. ACID plugin for A120% will shut them up, however.

People like me keep 3rd party software manufacturers flourishing? First, what have you got against them? Second, keep dreaming...

Will you stop talking BS? I already said that inbuilt ISO tool will be useful. Though, I have NO IDEA what a "common user" will do with it. Maybe, like clonazepam said, it has something to do with those Xbox 360 games support rumors? Mount the ISO and play? We'll see...

If you really think you're upsetting me, try harder 😀 I advise bashing PC gaming - that instantly pisses me off :lol:

 

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[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]If you really think you're upsetting me, try harder I advise bashing PC gaming - that instantly pisses me off[/citation]
I'm not trying to upset you, just interested to see how far you can keep chunnering on about copied games and still maintain credibility.

Also, I can't bash PC gaming, PC gaming FTW, consoles suck.

 

[calguyhunk]

[citation][nom]runswindows95[/nom]This is handy considering I use ISO's to install a lot of my programs. Maybe I might just stick with my XP system till 8 is launched.[/citation]
Right now, for home users, there's no reason to upgrade to Win7 if you haven't already with the new one just months away.

 

[captaincharisma]

@captaincharisma

VHD are used to virtualize an enviroment, if you want to test out another OS you can simply install it to a VHD and then boot that VHD within a virtual machine

and for all those complaining about file format support, i'll point out that ISO is an international standard, MS does not have to pay squat to anyone to support and use it, it is also a highly controlled format with very strict controls to minimize abuse and problems (and i do realize .bin files are universal but the .cue file needed to translate a .bin disc image is owned by CDRwin)

but yes i agree this has been a while in coming

i knew what VHD was used for virtual machines but the way the video is explaining it just tells me you will be able to mount it within windows as a HDD for data access like physical drives. but the video did not mention that any virtual machine software would be included with windows 8 so you could mount VHD's and run an OS in a virtual enviorment