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[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]And if I want to completely restart the kernel session every once in a while instead of hibernate?[/citation]
We have something for that, it's called the "restart" button. Amazing, huh?
[citation][nom]moricon[/nom]I also do not want the precious space on my SSD taken up for a Hiberfil.sys.[/citation]
Seriously? You can't spare a few 100MBs of that? Delete a porn movie or something.
We have something for that, it's called the "restart" button. Amazing, huh?
[citation][nom]moricon[/nom]I also do not want the precious space on my SSD taken up for a Hiberfil.sys.[/citation]
Seriously? You can't spare a few 100MBs of that? Delete a porn movie or something.
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[citation][nom]Rizlla[/nom]I wont be switching to Windows 8 any time soon.[/citation]
Neither will I, I will probably skip windows8 entirely, but I must admit that this are the first sort of good news about windows8.
Still nowhere near enough to make me switch.
Neither will I, I will probably skip windows8 entirely, but I must admit that this are the first sort of good news about windows8.
Still nowhere near enough to make me switch.
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I am now convinced that adversaries or MS are paying people to bad mouth windows 8 and spread lies about the OS, i think tomshardware should check the IP's of people posting negative comments over many threads and find some patterns.
Anyone who knows anything about the OS and read any type of marketing material would know that windows 8 has two user interfaces that are "first class citizens" namely Metro(Tiles) and Aero(Windows).
A user of any type of device can choose to use either interface, this has been stated on countless posts by users on tomshardware yet users still state interface mismatch to devices as their number one complaint, these posts are then up voted to the top (spamming?). I cannot believe TH users cannot understand this simple concept, this definitely looks like the handy work of a evil marketing company
On a side note, tomshardware is encouraging this misinformed behavior by simply not responding to the concerns of its users and producing a well written article describing the many faces of windows.
Anyone who knows anything about the OS and read any type of marketing material would know that windows 8 has two user interfaces that are "first class citizens" namely Metro(Tiles) and Aero(Windows).
A user of any type of device can choose to use either interface, this has been stated on countless posts by users on tomshardware yet users still state interface mismatch to devices as their number one complaint, these posts are then up voted to the top (spamming?). I cannot believe TH users cannot understand this simple concept, this definitely looks like the handy work of a evil marketing company
On a side note, tomshardware is encouraging this misinformed behavior by simply not responding to the concerns of its users and producing a well written article describing the many faces of windows.
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Personally I am not worried by startup times as long as my next motherboard has UEFI instead of my current crappy old BIOS.When I cold boot at the moment at spends 25 seconds getting past the BIOS, then 5 seconds booting into Windows.I don't see the OS being a problem with that kind of performance, it is all down to the crappy BIOS, but if upgrading to UEFI shortens that amount then dropping the extra 5 seconds by an extra 1 or 2 seconds will always be appreciated.[/citation]
Eventually UEFI will get there, but right now it's slower to boot than BIOS. Thought frankly I wonder if you couldn't streamline something in your BIOS...25 seconds seems awfully long.
Eventually UEFI will get there, but right now it's slower to boot than BIOS. Thought frankly I wonder if you couldn't streamline something in your BIOS...25 seconds seems awfully long.
[citation][nom]gladiatorza[/nom]tomshardware is encouraging this misinformed behavior by simply not responding to the concerns of its users and producing a well written article describing the many faces of windows.[/citation]
It's not Tom's fault people don't pay attention to the articles/previews they write. This might come as a surprise to you but a lot of people just don't like Microsoft and their constant OS releases that continuously fail to bring serious innovation to the industry.
Windows 8 is, after all, Microsoft's answer to iOS and Android.
Now why would Microsoft pay people to badmouth their own products? That doesn't make any sense at all!
[citation][nom]gladiatorza[/nom]these posts are then up voted to the top (spamming?).[/citation]
Posts don't move, it's first come first serve. After being down voted they are merely hidden from view unless someone clicks "Show". If you look closely the first post is hidden because it was down rated a number of times.
It's not Tom's fault people don't pay attention to the articles/previews they write. This might come as a surprise to you but a lot of people just don't like Microsoft and their constant OS releases that continuously fail to bring serious innovation to the industry.
Windows 8 is, after all, Microsoft's answer to iOS and Android.
Now why would Microsoft pay people to badmouth their own products? That doesn't make any sense at all!
[citation][nom]gladiatorza[/nom]these posts are then up voted to the top (spamming?).[/citation]
Posts don't move, it's first come first serve. After being down voted they are merely hidden from view unless someone clicks "Show". If you look closely the first post is hidden because it was down rated a number of times.
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"Between the 32 and 33 second mark there is a glitch. Did it really boot up that fast? I really have no doubts but make a video without glitches so you don't leave people wondering""
- I already see the metro UI running JUST BEFORE the glitch,. might be the woman lost her act and have to retake the last scene?
Anyway, I really don't see how so many people seem to point a finger on the Metro UI when there's always an option for the traditional desktop UI;
I honestly don't like the new Metro itself but I'm grateful that Windows didn't completely ditched the old one, furthermore, any careful reader would understand that MS designed this OS to run on not only x86/x64 but also on ARM which by the way refers to tablets and smartphones.
Tablets can't compare to PCs, but where money goes the business follows (erm,. just look at Apple, I don't like them but they sure makes alot from their mobile department)
Just let MS do its business, if you don't like what they came up with,.. Mac and Linux is there (like you'll do it,. honestly
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PCs rule!!!!
"Between the 32 and 33 second mark there is a glitch. Did it really boot up that fast? I really have no doubts but make a video without glitches so you don't leave people wondering""
- I already see the metro UI running JUST BEFORE the glitch,. might be the woman lost her act and have to retake the last scene?
Anyway, I really don't see how so many people seem to point a finger on the Metro UI when there's always an option for the traditional desktop UI;
I honestly don't like the new Metro itself but I'm grateful that Windows didn't completely ditched the old one, furthermore, any careful reader would understand that MS designed this OS to run on not only x86/x64 but also on ARM which by the way refers to tablets and smartphones.
Tablets can't compare to PCs, but where money goes the business follows (erm,. just look at Apple, I don't like them but they sure makes alot from their mobile department)
Just let MS do its business, if you don't like what they came up with,.. Mac and Linux is there (like you'll do it,. honestly
)PCs rule!!!!
OK hands up who test driven Win 8 developers edition, the metro GUI does not completely take over, it's actually invoked through the start button (but defaults to the first thing shown after boot up), for all intent and purpose it's the new start menu (and not that funny redacted menu TH was showing previously), your classic desktop is still there
i am intrigued by this news, can we have full confirmation that a restart will flush the kernel, i have noticed though that firefox does behaves far better on windows 8 resuming from hibernate than on windows 7 (i also hate the fact that IE now cant be closed normally and needs to be killed via task manager, i guess alot of this would make more sense for a tablet)
i am intrigued by this news, can we have full confirmation that a restart will flush the kernel, i have noticed though that firefox does behaves far better on windows 8 resuming from hibernate than on windows 7 (i also hate the fact that IE now cant be closed normally and needs to be killed via task manager, i guess alot of this would make more sense for a tablet)
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[citation][nom]ojas[/nom]And btw why are some people complaining about the size of hyberfil.sys? Is it really that big?[/citation]
The hibernation file is generally the same size as your RAM, so on a 2GB system it's not 1/2 bad, while on a 8+GB system it starts taking a little bit of precious SSD space, or will take forever to load/unload from a traditional HDD. The other fear (paranoia?) is that SSDs are unproven technology, and the less writes you have on a drive the longer it will last. Again, no problem on a 2GB system, but that's an awful lot of writes to do a 8+GB system on a regular basis.
That said, I just bought a solid3 for my wife's computer (win7, C2D 2.7GHz, 4GB RAM, 60GB SSD) and in spite of being about 4 years old it boots about 4 sec slower than the laptop in this video (if you subtract the BIOS time of ~5sec), so I am not sure what is amazing about this video unless it is running on a traditional HDD, which I doubt as I have played with win8 on traditional drives and saw nothing like this.
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your average BIOS takes 5-10 sec to post, if it is really taking 30 sec to post then you are either running a lot of unnecessary equipment that is requiring timeouts (like cheap RAID cards), or your MoBo is having problems. I would go poke around in BIOS and 1) flash it to a more recent update, and 2) disable EVERYTHING that you are not using. While you are at it, do a quick visual inspection of your MoBo and see if any Caps are blown (capacitors are the tall cylindrical things). If the tops are dented down then it is good, if they are flat they may be going bad, and if they are poped up then it is a small miracle your board is still working. Also, check the literature on your add-on cards, there is often a way to shorted timeouts for things that wait to scan for hardware.
The hibernation file is generally the same size as your RAM, so on a 2GB system it's not 1/2 bad, while on a 8+GB system it starts taking a little bit of precious SSD space, or will take forever to load/unload from a traditional HDD. The other fear (paranoia?) is that SSDs are unproven technology, and the less writes you have on a drive the longer it will last. Again, no problem on a 2GB system, but that's an awful lot of writes to do a 8+GB system on a regular basis.
That said, I just bought a solid3 for my wife's computer (win7, C2D 2.7GHz, 4GB RAM, 60GB SSD) and in spite of being about 4 years old it boots about 4 sec slower than the laptop in this video (if you subtract the BIOS time of ~5sec), so I am not sure what is amazing about this video unless it is running on a traditional HDD, which I doubt as I have played with win8 on traditional drives and saw nothing like this.
@back by demand
your average BIOS takes 5-10 sec to post, if it is really taking 30 sec to post then you are either running a lot of unnecessary equipment that is requiring timeouts (like cheap RAID cards), or your MoBo is having problems. I would go poke around in BIOS and 1) flash it to a more recent update, and 2) disable EVERYTHING that you are not using. While you are at it, do a quick visual inspection of your MoBo and see if any Caps are blown (capacitors are the tall cylindrical things). If the tops are dented down then it is good, if they are flat they may be going bad, and if they are poped up then it is a small miracle your board is still working. Also, check the literature on your add-on cards, there is often a way to shorted timeouts for things that wait to scan for hardware.
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someone stated this earlier and allow me to reiterate..
I have an SSD with 'Tom's Win 7 SSD Tweaks' implemented.
I turn the unit on and then turn around for a second to grab a drink or something, turn back around to monitor...
damn did I miss the windows chime.?
there's my desktop..
I have an SSD with 'Tom's Win 7 SSD Tweaks' implemented.
I turn the unit on and then turn around for a second to grab a drink or something, turn back around to monitor...
damn did I miss the windows chime.?
there's my desktop..
"Windows 8 will have more than the Metro UI. Those of you who still do not know that are very uninformed."
[citation][nom]senshu[/nom]Cause there's been so much information out there to inform the masses.[/citation]
Download a trial of VMware Workstation
Then download Windows 8 developers edition.
Now stop complaining that there isn't enough information about Windows 8
[citation][nom]senshu[/nom]Cause there's been so much information out there to inform the masses.[/citation]
Download a trial of VMware Workstation
Then download Windows 8 developers edition.
Now stop complaining that there isn't enough information about Windows 8
[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]"Windows 8 will have more than the Metro UI. Those of you who still do not know that are very uninformed."Download a trial of VMware WorkstationThen download Windows 8 developers edition.Now stop complaining that there isn't enough information about Windows 8[/citation]
First, I'm not complaining. We had a user state that people who don't know there is more to WIndows 8 than the MetroUI are very uninformed. How are they to be informed when there is very little information out there? And what is out there is mainly concerned with the MetroUI. Download the developers edition? Seriously, that's your answer? For a power user who wants to play around with new OSes, sure. For your average Joe, that's just silly.
First, I'm not complaining. We had a user state that people who don't know there is more to WIndows 8 than the MetroUI are very uninformed. How are they to be informed when there is very little information out there? And what is out there is mainly concerned with the MetroUI. Download the developers edition? Seriously, that's your answer? For a power user who wants to play around with new OSes, sure. For your average Joe, that's just silly.
So a few things on this:
UEFI hastens boot because the firmware is more efficient. It doesn't really affect OS bootup speed, but affects the overall bootup speed of the PC from power-on. You don't have all of these add-on BIOS's in UEFI, like your AHCI BIOS, management engine BIOS, etc. All of that is included in an extremely fast UEFI. Microsoft is talking up NATIVE UEFI too, not the "Hybrid" UEFI that you get on non-current boards and such. Those types of firmware have a conventional BIOS, with UEFI boot extensions - usually just to support 2.2TB+ hard drives. It's not the same. Some companies have already sped up their BIOS's though. Some HP notebooks have an extremely fast BIOS that POST's in under 2 seconds. The other speed increases you get are with SSD's, but I timed Windows 8 with fast bootup (new hibernated-kernel Shut Down) and on an Atom 330 ION system with 4GB of RAM and a slower WD Blue 320GB 2.5" 5400RPM hard drive, it took about 12 seconds to load Windows after the relatively slow BIOS on that board. That's far faster than Windows 7. Full restart was slower than shutdown, but still faster than Windows 7 restarting.
Also, if you use Windows 8 and turn off the Start Screen, you just don't get it. The whole point of this release is to make the system and platform simpler from the ground up. You have the desktop there, sure, but if you turn off the Start Screen, you just have Windows 7. The entire platform is designed to be uber-simple across the board. More like an iPad, but it's a full PC. Consider the "Mom-factor" with the iPad. You can give your Mom an iPad and she can pick it up and use it pretty much right away without any real computer knowledge. Microsoft wants that simplicity for the PC. Apple doesn't quite get that yet with their computer systems, but everybody expects iOS to supplant OS X on Mac computers eventually, probably by the time they run out of 10.x numbers.
Also, if you like Windows 8 as a tablet OS, consider this: buy a tablet, buy a dock, hook up a full keyboard, mouse, and monitor to that dock, and you have the ultimate mobile PC that's also a fully-functional desktop. It's more mobile than a notebook because you can actually operate the thing while standing or walking around. Try to do that with an iPad - it just doesn't work. The whole purpose of technology is to make manual tasks simpler. If you don't like Windows 8, you don't like technology.
UEFI hastens boot because the firmware is more efficient. It doesn't really affect OS bootup speed, but affects the overall bootup speed of the PC from power-on. You don't have all of these add-on BIOS's in UEFI, like your AHCI BIOS, management engine BIOS, etc. All of that is included in an extremely fast UEFI. Microsoft is talking up NATIVE UEFI too, not the "Hybrid" UEFI that you get on non-current boards and such. Those types of firmware have a conventional BIOS, with UEFI boot extensions - usually just to support 2.2TB+ hard drives. It's not the same. Some companies have already sped up their BIOS's though. Some HP notebooks have an extremely fast BIOS that POST's in under 2 seconds. The other speed increases you get are with SSD's, but I timed Windows 8 with fast bootup (new hibernated-kernel Shut Down) and on an Atom 330 ION system with 4GB of RAM and a slower WD Blue 320GB 2.5" 5400RPM hard drive, it took about 12 seconds to load Windows after the relatively slow BIOS on that board. That's far faster than Windows 7. Full restart was slower than shutdown, but still faster than Windows 7 restarting.
Also, if you use Windows 8 and turn off the Start Screen, you just don't get it. The whole point of this release is to make the system and platform simpler from the ground up. You have the desktop there, sure, but if you turn off the Start Screen, you just have Windows 7. The entire platform is designed to be uber-simple across the board. More like an iPad, but it's a full PC. Consider the "Mom-factor" with the iPad. You can give your Mom an iPad and she can pick it up and use it pretty much right away without any real computer knowledge. Microsoft wants that simplicity for the PC. Apple doesn't quite get that yet with their computer systems, but everybody expects iOS to supplant OS X on Mac computers eventually, probably by the time they run out of 10.x numbers.
Also, if you like Windows 8 as a tablet OS, consider this: buy a tablet, buy a dock, hook up a full keyboard, mouse, and monitor to that dock, and you have the ultimate mobile PC that's also a fully-functional desktop. It's more mobile than a notebook because you can actually operate the thing while standing or walking around. Try to do that with an iPad - it just doesn't work. The whole purpose of technology is to make manual tasks simpler. If you don't like Windows 8, you don't like technology.
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[citation]can we have full confirmation that a restart will flush the kernel[/citation]
Here you go man, straight from the MSDN blog: https://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/08/delivering-fast-boot-times-in-windows-8.aspx
Here you go man, straight from the MSDN blog: https://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/08/delivering-fast-boot-times-in-windows-8.aspx
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[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]And if I want to completely restart the kernel session every once in a while instead of hibernate?[/citation]
Well, I hope there will be an option for it, but they haven't said anything about that using multicores, so we have to wait and see.
Well, I hope there will be an option for it, but they haven't said anything about that using multicores, so we have to wait and see.
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I really like Windows 7 and I like OS X as well. I will say that I'm not feeling that OS X 10.7's added features were really useful compared to 10.6 and that stability and performance were adversely affected. I hope Microsoft doesn't, somehow, make the same mistake with Windows 8 that Apple did with 10.7
We'll see.
We'll see.
First of all, I'd rather have a full kernel reboot. I spend far more time on the computer than I do waiting for it to boot. An extra 3 seconds of boot time in exchange for a more stable experience isn't going to hurt me.
Don't force me to hibernate. Hibernation fails 3 out of 4 times on any system I've ever used.
Second of all... Windows already can use multi-core for boot! You have to specifically tell it to, but the capability is there already.
Don't force me to hibernate. Hibernation fails 3 out of 4 times on any system I've ever used.
Second of all... Windows already can use multi-core for boot! You have to specifically tell it to, but the capability is there already.
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[citation][nom]ojas[/nom]But does this mean it can't be shut off? I mean hibernation is a sort of deep-sleep state right? Can i pull the power plug on it then? I know she had removed the laptop battery in the video, but was that a cold boot or was the laptop booting from hibernation? What are the implications for power consumption? Isn't it better to turn your computer off completely (from a power point of view)?And btw why are some people complaining about the size of hyberfil.sys? Is it really that big?Agreed, it's been edited there, but the system was already live so it shouldn't make a difference. Must have just been a retake.[/citation]
Yes you can completely loose power to your device and Hibernation is not affected.
Hibernation stores all your RAM memory on the Hard drive or SSD.
Sleep will just shutoff everything except ram, so your current session it stored on the RAM as soon as power is lost on the ram, so is the data.
I don't know for sure but my Hibernation file is 6GB I also have 6GB of ram. It might just be coincidence but my guess wound be the same size as your ram.
Yes you can completely loose power to your device and Hibernation is not affected.
Hibernation stores all your RAM memory on the Hard drive or SSD.
Sleep will just shutoff everything except ram, so your current session it stored on the RAM as soon as power is lost on the ram, so is the data.
I don't know for sure but my Hibernation file is 6GB I also have 6GB of ram. It might just be coincidence but my guess wound be the same size as your ram.
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