Windows 8 to Use Multi-Cores for Shutdown, Startup

[Guest]

@amigafan

thanks for the info, guess i'll add shutdown /s /full / t 0 to a metro tile or a shortcut of some kind from the desktop, although im going run it with fast boot for a while to see how it fairs, but so far win8 has been behaving really well, so i might not need to flush the kernel so often

 

[STravis]

[citation][nom]Thunderfox[/nom]Sleep and resume a PC enough times and weird things start to happen. You need to be able to restart from scratch. Also, with newer machines sporting 8 gigs of memory or more, that hibernation file is going to be huge, especially to SSD users. I hope there is a way to turn this feature off for those who want to.[/citation]


That was never a problem with my MacBook Pro - only time I did a full reboot on that thing was when I installed some updates that required it..otherwise it was just in/out of hibernate mode for months on end.

 

[mmmmec]

What if the system configuration changes ?.........

 

[Catsrules]

[citation][nom]mmmmec[/nom]What if the system configuration changes ?.........[/citation]
You would get to see the new Blue screen of death?

 

[Guest]

[citation][nom]gnookergi[/nom]We have something for that, it's called the "restart" button. Amazing, huh?Seriously? You can't spare a few 100MBs of that? Delete a porn movie or something.[/citation]


WOW what a cocky attitude!

Do you have anything interesting to add!

 

[Filiprino]

Oh, WOW. Microsoft is going to implement Canonical's Upstart. ROFL.

 

[chick0n]

[citation][nom]__-_-_-__[/nom]my linux takes 7 seconds =) and it's free[/citation]

it takes 7 seconds, but then you need to shut it off cuz you can't do anything useful on it ! (for most home users that is)

 

[chick0n]

[citation][nom]STravis[/nom]That was never a problem with my MacBook Pro - only time I did a full reboot on that thing was when I installed some updates that required it..otherwise it was just in/out of hibernate mode for months on end.[/citation]

funny, why the folks in my office who swear their Mac is god's gift requires a restart every 2 or 3 hours otherwise weird thing just happen, didn't even hibernate, it just act weird on it's own.

Answer : Mac is garbage

 

[legacy7955]

[citation][nom]plasmastorm[/nom]It may boot to that screen extremely fast, but I would hardly call that tiled idiocy an OS.PC's used to be about letting the user control the entire experience and set things up how they wanted both visually and behind the scenes. That was the main attraction over Macs for a lot of people.Now Micro$oft are just doing all they can to be like Mac and alienating the majority of their customer base.Well done ![/citation]

Genius...in the final version you will be able to use a traditional desktop default in Win 8, which will operate just like Win 7, and no extra steps will be needed either.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]senshu[/nom]Eventually UEFI will get there, but right now it's slower to boot than BIOS. Thought frankly I wonder if you couldn't streamline something in your BIOS...25 seconds seems awfully long.[/citation]
You can say that again, I have disabled everything not relevant like serial, floppy, onboard sound, you name it - its just a slow BIOS.

But to be frank people who can't spare 30 seconds each time they turn on a PC must be anally retentive and chill the f**k out.

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]You can say that again, I have disabled everything not relevant like serial, floppy, onboard sound, you name it - its just a slow BIOS.But to be frank people who can't spare 30 seconds each time they turn on a PC must be anally retentive and chill the f**k out.[/citation]

I don't know, there was a time when people thought that a horse and buggy was fast enough. ...and if you needed anything faster you had to be..."anally retentive".

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]STravis[/nom]That was never a problem with my MacBook Pro - only time I did a full reboot on that thing was when I installed some updates that required it..otherwise it was just in/out of hibernate mode for months on end.[/citation]

OS X...different beast altogether. 10.7 has its own problems that Apple needs to address. Sure, when the OS writer knows precisely the hardware that the OS is going to go on sleep and resume might work a little smoother. /sarcasm Yes, Macs don't tend to have trouble sleeping/resuming. I don't think the bulk of THG's readers are Mac users (ya think) so this is the wrong crowd.

Microsoft's job is a bit more challenging on that front and I'm glad they're working the issue.

 

[mr_tuel]

[citation][nom]silverblue[/nom]I find hibernation quite helpful. If you've got a gaming machine, for example, and you play the same one or two titles a lot, and need to switch off once in a while, hibernation allows for a much faster reboot plus as your game is cached to some degree, it'll start back up much faster than with a cold boot. Maybe I'm not looking at the big picture, what with not being a die-hard overclocker and all.[/citation]
I overclock my i7 to 3.6 (1 GHz OC) and I hibernate all the dang time. No problems here, but I suppose if one had faulty memory or cheap memory and you were overclocking, then you could have issues.

 

[alyoshka]

All that doesn't really make windows any the faster or slower in the actual way it's supposed to be. It's selling tea with a new name .......
What they really need is to optimize the damn kernel itself to make it more resource efficient not just keep filling up the memory with crap that is not needed or looks that barely make a difference to the load that it puts the processes under.
Of all the versions of Windows I have had until now, I have always ended up disabling all that fancy crap, effects, fading in and out crap.
And they still persist and actually MS sells it's products on the basis of their fancy looks. Not the looks are always glorified and the functions just get a little highlight.
Stop all the background crap from auto turning on. Make it less resource hungry with a continuous flushing of required or infrequently used data being flushed out of the memory. Optimize it to use just a few of the resources that are dependent on the programs being used or actually use just those resources and codes that a particular program needs while it is running in the foreground. Is it that difficult to optimize something that runs in the foreground and give less importance and systems times to stuff in the background?
Really.....

 

[legacy7955]

I agree with others here that efficiency (optimizing the kernel ) is the best route to go.

I hope they allow us to disable hibernate at start up as well I don't want to use restart.

Windows update is much better in Win 7 than it was in XP but there are still problems with it. Hopefully Win 8 will improve on that. I see Win update as the weakest link in any Win OS.

 

[michaelahess]

I never stand by or sleep, I only hibernate. I'm never in a position to fully close out of what I'm doing, always in constant project mode. Hibernating with 8GB of RAM is a bit slower than it was back in the day with only 2 but I still think it's quicker than restarting everything run on a day to day basis.

 

[cookoy]

i like to do a cold system start everytime to initialize everything, clean up memory leaks and maybe some undetected malwares. a little wait is worth it if i can get a lot more stable system.

 

[rjq]

That boot time can hardly be called a feature, my eight year old single core cp with linux in it boots in 33 seconds to a full-fledged OS... go figure.

 

[senshu]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]You can say that again, I have disabled everything not relevant like serial, floppy, onboard sound, you name it - its just a slow BIOS.But to be frank people who can't spare 30 seconds each time they turn on a PC must be anally retentive and chill the f**k out.[/citation]
Whew, thanks for the support. I was wondering why my comment was getting downrated, but at least it's back to positive.

 

[rooket]

It may boot to that screen extremely fast, but I would hardly call that tiled idiocy an OS.
PC's used to be about letting the user control the entire experience and set things up how they wanted both visually and behind the scenes. That was the main attraction over Macs for a lot of people.

Now Micro$oft are just doing all they can to be like Mac and alienating the majority of their customer base.

Well done !

In a Microsoft o/s? Get real! Do you realize that MS-DOS was mearely a stripped down copycat version of Unix? Can you shell script in that? Can you code in it? Do you know that Microsoft did not really intend you to customize the themes in Windows XP? Remember you had to apply a hack for that? Microsoft doesn't cater to customization. They are closed source. I think this guy hasn't been around the PC for very long.

This o/s seems fine to me, as regarding my statements above. I may have to switch to it if it boots up faster but I'm not sure about staying on the tile screen though. That is the only hard sell for me. If they get rid of that god aweful green and make it look a bit better then maybe.

Am I guessing Bill Gates' favorite color is green? Sure I don't know everything but both xbox systems were green themed and so is this new o/s. I think the green is kind of ugly on this though. Maybe blue would have been better.

 

[Guest]

Wow i want that notebook, its bios boot in 2.5 seconds (fake?)

 

[falchard]

Windows 8 - We have no ******* clue what to improve upon.

Still its a good idea, even if its minor. I use the slow boot process on my BIOS purposely, and after BIOS it only takes a couple seconds to boot in on Win7 in my machine.

 

[halcyon]

I run Windows 7 32 & 64 in Parallels VMs on my Macs and they boot extremely fast. If they can speed it up even more...yea.

 

[danwat1234]

[citation][nom]ojas[/nom]But does this mean it can't be shut off? I mean hibernation is a sort of deep-sleep state right? Can i pull the power plug on it then? I know she had removed the laptop battery in the video, but was that a cold boot or was the laptop booting from hibernation? What are the implications for power consumption? Isn't it better to turn your computer off completely (from a power point of view)?And btw why are some people complaining about the size of hyberfil.sys? Is it really that big?Agreed, it's been edited there, but the system was already live so it shouldn't make a difference. Must have just been a retake.[/citation]

No, every part of the computer would be off. It would be suspended to disk, not suspend to RAM.

One thing I don't like about hibernation in win7 is that it doesn't save any caches, so your hard drive has to fetch all the cache data again. The impact in unnoticeable with a good SSD though. WIn8 will fix this since it won't be hibernating the whole active memory.

 

[jojesa]

I don't know about 8 seconds but I tried with a Corsair SSD and it takes 19 seconds plus 2 seconds to post on a Dell E6400. They must have disabled most of the services.
windows 7 Takes 26 seconds.
Maybe it will get better after fixing most of the current bugs.