Windows 8 to Use Multi-Cores for Shutdown, Startup

[DSpider]

[citation][nom]gladiatorza[/nom]On a side note, tomshardware is encouraging this misinformed behavior by simply not responding to the concerns of its users and producing a well written article describing the many faces of windows.[/citation]
So it's Tom's job to make Windows look good? Wut??

 

[JOSHSKORN]

And why wasn't this done w/ Windows 7?

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]JOSHSKORN[/nom]And why wasn't this done w/ Windows 7?[/citation]
Because they didn't have the time/knowledge to add it then?

 

[DSpider]

[citation][nom]chick0n[/nom]it takes 7 seconds, but then you need to shut it off cuz you can't do anything useful on it ! (for most home users that is)[/citation]
Most home users would be happy with a browser, a media player and an instant messaging program. Linux can provide all of those, and more if they so choose.

What's that? I can't rename a file with a question mark? Fυck that, on Linux I can! Even with an *, ", /, |, etc.

 

[senshu]

[citation][nom]DSpider[/nom]Most home users would be happy with a browser, a media player and an instant messaging program. Linux can provide all of those, and more if they so choose.What's that? I can't rename a file with a question mark? Fυck that, on Linux I can! Even with an *, ", /, |, etc.[/citation]
I'd really try to stay away from using an * in your filenames, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[quangluu96]

I think pulling out the plug or taking out the battery reduce the shutdown time to be less than 1 second!

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]I don't know, there was a time when people thought that a horse and buggy was fast enough. ...and if you needed anything faster you had to be..."anally retentive".[/citation]
This Windows feature is only shaving off the actual Windows part and not the UEFI on the motherboards so really unless you update your motherboard as well people will only really save 2 seconds and i'm finding that difficult to be excited about.
It's good, but in the grand scheme of things the horse and cart just went to a Model T, wake me up when they get to the Ferrari.

 

[Guest]

@quangluu96

and as an added bonus it also takes years off the operating life of your PC too

 

[DSpider]

[citation][nom]senshu[/nom]I'd really try to stay away from using an * in your filenames, but whatever floats your boat.[/citation]
Why? In case I want to back something up to an NTFS drive? They get converted automatically to something else (usually an underscore).

 

[Vladislaus]

[citation][nom]CaedenV[/nom]The hibernation file is generally the same size as your RAM, so on a 2GB system it's not 1/2 bad, while on a 8+GB system it starts taking a little bit of precious SSD space, or will take forever to load/unload from a traditional HDD. The other fear (paranoia?) is that SSDs are unproven technology, and the less writes you have on a drive the longer it will last. Again, no problem on a 2GB system, but that's an awful lot of writes to do a 8+GB system on a regular basis.That said, I just bought a solid3 for my wife's computer (win7, C2D 2.7GHz, 4GB RAM, 60GB SSD) and in spite of being about 4 years old it boots about 4 sec slower than the laptop in this video (if you subtract the BIOS time of ~5sec), so I am not sure what is amazing about this video unless it is running on a traditional HDD, which I doubt as I have played with win8 on traditional drives and saw nothing like this.@back by demandyour average BIOS takes 5-10 sec to post, if it is really taking 30 sec to post then you are either running a lot of unnecessary equipment that is requiring timeouts (like cheap RAID cards), or your MoBo is having problems. I would go poke around in BIOS and 1) flash it to a more recent update, and 2) disable EVERYTHING that you are not using. While you are at it, do a quick visual inspection of your MoBo and see if any Caps are blown (capacitors are the tall cylindrical things). If the tops are dented down then it is good, if they are flat they may be going bad, and if they are poped up then it is a small miracle your board is still working. Also, check the literature on your add-on cards, there is often a way to shorted timeouts for things that wait to scan for hardware.[/citation]
If you took the time to actually read the article you would notice that this shutdown doesn't duplicate the entire memory to the hdd, as a standard hibernation does, only the kernel session is stored.

 

[senshu]

[citation][nom]DSpider[/nom]Why? In case I want to back something up to an NTFS drive? They get converted automatically to something else (usually an underscore).[/citation]
No, in case you ever work with and/or edit your files through command line. You may be able to use special characters in your filenames, but there are generally some good reasons not to. Basically, I don't see this as a selling point.

 

[epdm2be]

[citation]We have something for that, it's called the "restart" button. Amazing, huh?Seriously? You can't spare a few 100MBs of that? Delete a porn movie or something.[/citation]

Are you nuts! I can store more than 1 porn movie in the space that these hiberfil.sys-files occupy. Especially on a 8GB RAM equipped machine. Sure, hibernation reboot will be fast as long as you have 1GB RAM or less. But if you have machines with lots of memory a hibernation-reboot will be slower than a fresh boot. Especially if you have a SSD start-disk.

 

[epdm2be]

[citation][nom]michaelahess[/nom]I never stand by or sleep, I only hibernate. I'm never in a position to fully close out of what I'm doing, always in constant project mode. Hibernating with 8GB of RAM is a bit slower than it was back in the day with only 2 but I still think it's quicker than restarting everything run on a day to day basis.[/citation]
Starting my WinXP machine from cold boot (power off) using an 'old' Indilinx based SSD takes about 1 minute.

 

[DSpider]

That's bull. Well, the part about the asterisk.

$ sudo rm '/media/Backup/dun da nuh"*/.txt'
rm: cannot remove `/media/Backup/dun da nuh"*/.txt': No such file or directory

$ sudo rm '/media/Backup/dun da nuh"*\.txt'
(nothing, meaning it worked)

Apparently I can't manually type the "/" character because it messes with the hierarchy, so you were partially right on that one, I guess. When a file (or folder) is renamed with such a character this is what it looks like:

It's not an actual slash... It's a substitute. But if I copy-paste the file name it will work just fine.

 

[epdm2be]

[citation][nom]rooket[/nom]In a Microsoft o/s? Get real! Do you realize that MS-DOS was mearely a stripped down copycat version of Unix? Can you shell script in that? Can you code in it? Do you know that Microsoft did not really intend you to customize the themes in Windows XP? Remember you had to apply a hack for that? Microsoft doesn't cater to customization. They are closed source. I think this guy hasn't been around the PC for very long.This o/s seems fine to me, as regarding my statements above. I may have to switch to it if it boots up faster but I'm not sure about staying on the tile screen though. That is the only hard sell for me. If they get rid of that god aweful green and make it look a bit better then maybe.Am I guessing Bill Gates' favorite color is green? Sure I don't know everything but both xbox systems were green themed and so is this new o/s. I think the green is kind of ugly on this though. Maybe blue would have been better.[/citation]
As if Mac OS X is soo much better. With every iteration of that OS they completely revamp the UI and you can't revert back. At least in Windows you CAN return to a 'classic' look with gray buttons and simple win98-like window-dressing. Not to mention that XP had 3 colour schemes build in and 2 more themes have been released 'officially'. How many nice UI changes have there been in OSX and none can be reverted to in newer editions. I'm sure that some ppl liked the pinstripe white-grey desing from jaguar or the brushed aluminum look from Tiger.

Yes indeed, in my own case, I REALLY loved that brushed metal-look from Tiger! And I'm disgusted at that stupid gradient grey crap with these ridiculous clouds under the active window (They call THAT a shadow, good Lord!). Especially now that their computers have REAL aluminum in their design.

 

[caparc]

My biggest gripe with windows is the long boot and long shut down. To avoid those I use hibernate a lot and even it's wakeup is slower than I'd like. My laptop would be more useful if shuting down and waking up were much faster. Battery power would be more useful too.

 

[dietcreamsoda]

Wouldn't most of that startup speed in the video be attributed way more to the SSD, and not so much the multiple cores on startup processes? All the startup processes have to be loaded from disk anyway. Isn't that the primary bottleneck?

Besides, and I don't mean to sound overly harsh, but you'd have to be a pretty bored loser to really care about your computer starting or shutting off a few seconds faster. Does it really matter? I mean does it REALLY matter? Whether you wait a minute or ten seconds you're life isn't going to change. I promise.

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]gladiatorza[/nom]I am now convinced that adversaries or MS are paying people to bad mouth windows 8 and spread lies about the OS, i think tomshardware should check the IP's of people posting negative comments over many threads and find some patterns.Anyone who knows anything about the OS and read any type of marketing material would know that windows 8 has two user interfaces that are "first class citizens" namely Metro(Tiles) and Aero(Windows).A user of any type of device can choose to use either interface, this has been stated on countless posts by users on tomshardware yet users still state interface mismatch to devices as their number one complaint, these posts are then up voted to the top (spamming?). I cannot believe TH users cannot understand this simple concept, this definitely looks like the handy work of a evil marketing companyOn a side note, tomshardware is encouraging this misinformed behavior by simply not responding to the concerns of its users and producing a well written article describing the many faces of windows.[/citation]

yea... i get what you are saying, but than they show off start menu wich is nothing but s search...

you may be able to turn it off... but are they realy making win8 for the pc or for mobile laptop or tablet?

im useing xp. i go to the start menu and within 3 clicks, i have my program. i can see laptop and tablet not being able to do this well, because of no mouse interface in notebooks (without usb mouse, and touch pad sucks as a mouse) and tablets... refusal to use a more precise pen interface, like a wacom or the like.

 

[mcvf]

[citation][nom]gladiatorza[/nom]I am now convinced that adversaries or MS are paying people to bad mouth windows 8 and spread lies about the OS, i think tomshardware should check the IP's of people posting negative comments over many threads and find some patterns.Anyone who knows anything about the OS and read any type of marketing material would know that windows 8 has two user interfaces that are "first class citizens" namely Metro(Tiles) and Aero(Windows).A user of any type of device can choose to use either interface, this has been stated on countless posts by users on tomshardware yet users still state interface mismatch to devices as their number one complaint, these posts are then up voted to the top (spamming?). I cannot believe TH users cannot understand this simple concept, this definitely looks like the handy work of a evil marketing companyOn a side note, tomshardware is encouraging this misinformed behavior by simply not responding to the concerns of its users and producing a well written article describing the many faces of windows.[/citation]

Do you work or Microsoft?

 

[hairy_vagina]

Yeah. Right. I'd like to see that bootup time AFTER I install all the software I need. 3ds max, Cinema 4D, VRay + Wibu key drivers, Corel Painter, Adobe Creative Suite, including all their license managers and services that run in the background, Wacom Tablet, nVidia video drivers, etc, etc you name it. Then give it a few months, install trial software, let that registry build up nice and slow, then start her up again after about 6 months.

Don't just give me a bare bones PC with nothing on it and expecting me fall head over heels.

Sorry Microsuck, I'm sticking with Win7. It hasn't even been a year that I installed it. There's NO WAY I'm spending my money on another OS again, regardless how fast it boots up. I ran XP just fine for over 7-8 years. I'm sure I'm gonna get that much mileage out of 7 as well.

 

[PreferLinux]

[citation][nom]chick0n[/nom]it takes 7 seconds, but then you need to shut it off cuz you can't do anything useful on it ! (for most home users that is)[/citation]
As "most home users" don't do anything more than emails, web browsing, flash games, etc., they are exactly the ones that it is perfectly useful for. It is the others that need specialised software that doesn't support Linux that it isn't suitable for.

 

[jurassic1024]

[citation][nom]senshu[/nom]First, I'm not complaining. We had a user state that people who don't know there is more to WIndows 8 than the MetroUI are very uninformed. How are they to be informed when there is very little information out there? And what is out there is mainly concerned with the MetroUI. Download the developers edition? Seriously, that's your answer? For a power user who wants to play around with new OSes, sure. For your average Joe, that's just silly.[/citation]


Average Joe's such as yourself shouldn't be registering on tech sites. I haven't touched the W8 Preview and i know from READING, that there are big things like a revised System/File Restore, ISO burn and mount capability, Better System Repair/Troubleshooting, an App Store, XBOX Live Integration...

Average Joe's such as yourself need to stop embarrassing YOURSELVES.

 

[aaron88_7]

[citation][nom]senshu[/nom]Download the developers edition? Seriously, that's your answer? For a power user who wants to play around with new OSes, sure. For your average Joe, that's just silly.[/citation]
You don't need to be a 'power user' to install a trial of VMware then load up Windows 8. Any average joe can do this.

Now if you would stop complaining and actually take my advice you would see why there is not much info on Windows 8, BECAUSE IT'S EXACTLY LIKE WINDOWS 7. The only difference IS the metro touch interface.

What else is there really to say that hasn't already been said about Windows 8? Jesus....

 

[jabliese]

Hard to believe we are on page 4, and only 1 mention of malware to this point. Virus and malware writers are going to love this feature.

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]rooket[/nom]In a Microsoft o/s? Get real! Do you realize that MS-DOS was mearely a stripped down copycat version of Unix?[/citation]

Er... no. MS-DOS is NOT anything close to UNIX. MS-DOS was paid for by Microsoft for about $25,000 from a guy who reverse-engineered CP/M that had shown it to Bill Gates and Allen. They did this because IBM knocked on their door and needed an OS and BASIC. Neither CP/M or MS-DOS were ever EVER considered UNIX derivatives. The only thing similar is that they are CLI.

WindowsNT has a bit of UNIX in it. Mac OS-X has some UNIX in it (by way of FreeBSD). Amiga OS 1.0~3.x have some UNIX components. Trust me, for the mid-late 1980s... MS-DOS was a dog. PC guys running a single program on their 8086 or 286 computers... while us POWER USERS were running MANY CLI (MS-DOS like interface) windows at the SAME time. And the shape of the windows could be anything. It would take MS another 10 years to come out with a consumer OS that supported more than (gasp!) 8.3 file name characters.

MS-DOS has never, ever been near the abilities of UNIX.