Question X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming + Antec Controllers + Pwm Argb fans issue

[mghell34]

Hey, I have upgraded my PC a bit and stayed in the AM4 socket - so I kept my X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming MB that seems to work well.

Updated images and text
My set up is an Antec CX800 case [ which is an amazing value as long as you are fine with uncontrollable fans ].
I ordered a kit of 5 Antec Prizm fans and 3 Antec Fusion fans, both arrive with controllers.
I also have the Antec Vortex 240 ARGB AIO.

The pump is connected straight into my Sys_Fan6 [Pump] header - I see its RPM through BIOS or Gigabyte SIV app.
The AIO led header is connected into the controller with all the other leds from the other fans.
The PWM cables of the other fans are also connected to the controllers.
Controller layout image here.

So all the fans go into the A ports on both controllers.
All the leds including the pump LED connected to the B ports.

Led CTRL is an option to connect a physical button to control the leds.
Also, there is a PWM LED cable which is supposed to connect to SYS_Fan header + to the argb header.
This gen of Gigabyte boards has no argb headers, they use VDG instead - So I use the argb to vdg convertor they give with the controller.
Gigabyte mb x470 layout here
Convertor image from Antec here


So, I can control the leds through the controller.
But when in Bios or in SIV to check fan RPM status, I see only the pump RPM. others are not shown.
RGB Fusion doesn't seem to control the LEDS at all. I started poking around and found out the the PWM also seems to not be working.

If I disconnect the VDG cable, while leaving the FAN_SYS cable - the fans start spinning at full speed.
if I disconnect only the FAN_SYS cable, nothing changes.
if I disconnect the whole cable from the controller [ Port F - PWM LED ] - fans start spinning at full power.

So, it seems they are not controlled, yet without this connector they just go full on.

What would be the correct way to try and check what could it be?
Is anyone familiar with issues like that?
I see that the ARGB to VDG converter has no cable going to the V at all, only the Data and Ground, not sure if that's fine.

The jumpers on the motherboard are set to give 5V through the VDG.
I am mostly surprised that disconnecting the VDG makes fans go full speed, while the PWM 4 pin cable to SYS_Fans changes nothing.
Any tips and help would be greatly appreciated.

Unfortunately, I have no other MB to check the VDG connector, and the controller has no option to control fan speed, which is why PWM feels really important.

Thank you in advance, I hope I gave enough info ... tried to give all the info I had that felt relevant

Update adding some photos of current state:

The layout of the connections was swapped several times. Last test added in the following photos [ results are exactly the same ]

Controller Number 1 - radiator fans + intake fans -> conntected to CPU_FAN
Second connection from the PWMLED from controller goes to VDG connector using their argb to VDG converter.

AIO Pump directly connected to FAN_SYS_6_PUMP,
and the VDG is the second part of the hub

the second hub set up exactly the same way.
the PWM_LED input has a cable that splits into 4pin fan and argb with a converter.
the argb is connected to the bottom VDG connection, and the fan is connected into the SYS_FAN_2

while being able to control the rgb is something i'd like to be able to do, it is not as important as being able to see fan RPMS and control them. Smart Fan doesnt read RPM in both BIOS and APP .
and again, the weirdest part to me, is the fact that when I have the VDG cable connected - the fans are slow even if I cannot see any option to control them. Taking the VDG cable out makes them spin @full power, just like removing the whole cable from PWM_LED from the hub.

 

[Lutfij]

If I disconnect the VDG cable, while leaving the FAN_SYS cable - the fans start spinning at full speed.
if I disconnect only the FAN_SYS cable, nothing changes.
if I disconnect the whole cable from the controller [ Port F - PWM LED ] - fans start spinning at full power.
Just an FYI, you shouldn't be connecting or disconnecting components in your build while the PC is powered up(if that's what you were doing), it'll result in damaged/shorted hardware.

As for the full speed mention, they are receiving full power and the lack of a PWM signal is preventing the fans to be regulated.

On a curious note, what BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

I see that the ARGB to VDG converter has no cable going to the V at all, only the Data and Ground, not sure if that's fine.
You might want to include images of your build instead of pictures cropped and circled off of paint. Would help us understand if you hooked everything up the right way. You can conversely host your images on a site like Imgur.

On another note, do you have anything hooked to the CPU_FAN header on your motherboard? Again, a picture of your board and it's innards with all connections would be helpful.

 

[mghell34]

If I disconnect the VDG cable, while leaving the FAN_SYS cable - the fans start spinning at full speed.
if I disconnect only the FAN_SYS cable, nothing changes.
if I disconnect the whole cable from the controller [ Port F - PWM LED ] - fans start spinning at full power.
Just an FYI, you shouldn't be connecting or disconnecting components in your build while the PC is powered up(if that's what you were doing), it'll result in damaged/shorted hardware.

As for the full speed mention, they are receiving full power and the lack of a PWM signal is preventing the fans to be regulated.

On a curious note, what BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

I see that the ARGB to VDG converter has no cable going to the V at all, only the Data and Ground, not sure if that's fine.
You might want to include images of your build instead of pictures cropped and circled off of paint. Would help us understand if you hooked everything up the right way. You can conversely host your images on a site like Imgur.

On another note, do you have anything hooked to the CPU_FAN header on your motherboard? Again, a picture of your board and it's innards with all connections would be helpful.

I updated the post with images of the current state.

Just an FYI, you shouldn't be connecting or disconnecting components in your build while the PC is powered up(if that's what you were doing), it'll result in damaged/shorted hardware.
Thank you for the warning. I did turn it off until I lost my patience and started testing with it on. WIll not do it anymore.

As for the full speed mention, they are receiving full power and the lack of a PWM signal is preventing the fans to be regulated.
the question here is... why taking out the argb cable that is converted to VDG , acts like disconnecting both of them, while argb should be only the led control afaik.
When I unplug the whole cable from the HUB it's logical. but when I keep the 4pin fan connector and disconnect only the argb one - it seems weird the fans go full speed.

You might want to include images of your build instead of pictures cropped and circled off of paint. Would help us understand if you hooked everything up the right way.
updated with some more info and images. in general their converter connects to a regular argb connection [ knows as jrainbow? ] and the other side fits the VDG as far as the header goes.
but the converter it self has no cable going to the V pin. it has only the Data and Ground ones. on both of them. Not sure if might be connected.

On a curious note, what BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?
I am on F64. will update it to see if it helps later on.

On another note, do you have anything hooked to the CPU_FAN header on your motherboard?
I do, but when testing I tried not using it and played with most of the headers tbh.
all reacted practically the same way.