X800 benchies

pauldh · May 4, 2004

What exactly do you have against the 6800U??

Nothing really. I have stated many times it's looks to be a huge leap from the FX cards, and a job well done. I'm a bit surprised just how huge it looks in comparison being how X800 looks just like 9800XT size wise. If ATI matches the performance at the same price with a smaller less power hungry card, forget 6800U for me. Still need to see IQ and actual reviews of course.

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coylter · May 4, 2004

maybe nv made their card arround the benchmark?

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Vapor · May 4, 2004

Yeah, I want to know what kind of card FUGGER will get next.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.

dhlucke · May 4, 2004

Maybe they're going to win by cheating again

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coylter · May 4, 2004

The fact is : Those card are sooo much faster than those we have right now...

My bet is : We will see hundred of post of this kind in the next few week : "My Fx6800 dont post , could it be my power supply" or "i dont have enough molex connector" ect.....

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Vapor · May 4, 2004

Not my 9800PRO->XT. Wait....you say the new cards get twice the FPS in Halo? Far Cry too?! Damn, time to RMA this POS and sell the new one on ebay.

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TheFamilyGuy · May 4, 2004

We all have to remember that the benches were done on a p4 setup, Isn't it true that the nvidia cards are suppost to bench better with the nforce3 250 chipset?
Who knows at this point I don't plan on getting either one of these cards till a couple months after they are out and the price drops. I don't need the power till games like doom3 and half-life2 come out anyway, and even they might not need the power.

TheGreatGrapeApe · May 4, 2004

The Hercules doesn't have the mysterious yellow connector.

That's because it's an R9800XT. :tongue:

Rememebr that Herc got OUT of the graphics card business. Don't expect a Hercules solution this time around , I don't think they'll have any.

The other two (X800pro/xt) have the yellow connectors.

*** Just noticed Vapor's comments, not going to edit, but so someone else said it first, just needed to say it again. :tongue:

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Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 05/03/04 10:26 PM.

TheGreatGrapeApe · May 4, 2004

Not much against the GF6800, but I don't trust nV enough to call anything yet.

Both have their features, and I do like some of NV40's in particular, but until someone can do a true comparison of PS2.0 capabilities versus PS3.0 in some meaningful way then those features will be moot if not even the NV40 can use them yet.

Personally the past year of nV gives me enough reason to pause, and wait to see what happens.

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hippo · May 4, 2004

spanish review
6800 vs x800pro/xt

http://www.meristation.com/sc/articulos/articulo.asp?c=HARD&cr=5218&pag=0

TheGreatGrapeApe · May 4, 2004

Late dude, already <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=397667#397667" target="_new">posted it</A>.

BTW, learn to make things clicky. I mean really!

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hippo · May 4, 2004

u mean like this:

<A HREF="http://www.meristation.com/sc/articulos/articulo.asp?c=HARD&cr=5218&pag=0" target="_new">http://www.meristation.com/sc/articulos/articulo.asp?c=HARD&cr=5218&pag=0</A>

As u can c from my status, I don't post a lot! I was trying to do that but haven't figure it out yet! I should of leave those foreign links to u!!

TheGreatGrapeApe · May 4, 2004

The InQ is saying that Lars' review is the Platinum edition, so you may find the regular XT not so impressive, but still OC'ing should yield near these results one would think.

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15686" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15686</A>

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KCjoker · May 4, 2004

TheGreatGrapeApe check this out for a comparison of 1.1, 2.0 and 3.0

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA5LDE=

TheGreatGrapeApe · May 4, 2004

Not new, nor even accurate.

And the differences are not SM 2.0 versus SM 3.0, the only differences appear in the 1.1 versus 2.0/3.0.

Even CryTek's admitted not much new in their add-on. The sceens are rendered equally w/ PS2.0 and 3.0.

True PS3.0 differences, long way off.

This may help you;
<A HREF="http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_nvidia/" target="_new">http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_nvidia/</A>

BTW, <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=396558#396558" target="_new">I've Seen It already</A>.

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pauldh · May 4, 2004

*** Just noticed Vapor's comments, not going to edit, but so someone else said it first, just needed to say it again.

Thanks alot buddy, I really needed to read it again :redface:

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pauldh · May 4, 2004

The InQ is saying that Lars' review is the Platinum edition, so you may find the regular XT not so impressive, but still OC'ing should yield near these results one would think.

That's a bummer. Can't wait to see more reviews as the Pro keeps up with the XTP pretty well in anything below 1600x1200. Wonder if the pro is $399 and the XTP $599 USD. Yeah, I guess an OC'ed XT will match the XTP.

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TheRod · May 4, 2004

The Hercules doesn't have the mysterious yellow connector.

The yellow connector looks like a "floppy drive" power connector, you probably have the choice to use a floppy connector intead of a big "molex" connector. I prefer floppy style, it's smaller ans easier to connect/deconnect.

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jclw · May 4, 2004

the little yellow connector is most likely video in, as the cards have Rage Theater chips on them.

The Hercules card is a 9800XT used for comparison. Hercules no longer makes graphics cards.

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baldurga · May 4, 2004

My opinion: ATI has done a better "balanced" card, it only "fails" in future-proof feature ... but anyway, not sure how bad that is. If games take about 18+ months to take advantage of 3.0, then is not a problem.

Also, a dual slot card, 480PSU required, 2 molex ... that's not standard, come on! Is like saying "hey, we have the best CPU, you just need a watercooling kit, a 600PSU and it will run flawlessly!"

Right now my vote goes for ATI.

Note: I am looking for prices but I don't find it on reviews ...

Still looking for a good online retailer in Spain :frown:

KCjoker · May 4, 2004

If you look at the buddha pictures(5th down) you can see significant differences between 2.0 and 3.0. The texture of the statue is much better in 3.0. Having said that we need directX9.0c for it to reach consumers anyway. The thing is I'd rather buy a card that does have 3.0 already so I don't have to buy another one 6 months from now. Plus the 6800u has more features than ATI's and is more compatible with games. The only real knock on the 6800u is the power consumption and it's comparable to the 9800xt so it doesn't bother me much. Not trying to switch anyone's opinion, the best thing is we now have competition in the market which is good for all consumers.

TheGreatGrapeApe · May 4, 2004

so I don't have to buy another one 6 months from now.

Jumping the gun a bit. "HAVE to" not for years, 'see even the slightest benifit from in games, not 'til the end of the year, and then, amybe nothing worthwhile mentioning. At which point the next nV and next ATI will be running that SM3.0 ladden code much smoother.

Also rememebr that everything will be SM2.0/3.0 for the foreseeable future until there are enough PS3.0/Vs3.0 equipped cards to make it benificial to differentiate. Doubt you'll see that before 2005.

Plus the 6800u has more features than ATI's and is more compatible with games.

I smell a kinney in that quote. More compatible with games? Not really. More hype than reality. Funny how the TWIMTBP games have problems with the nV cards, but run fine on ATI cards. Guess that's because they are so compatible, right?

The only real knock on the 6800u is the power consumption and it's comparable to the 9800xt so it doesn't bother me much.

Comparable to the R9800XT, not really. Maybe at idle, but if that's all you're doing with your card, 2D, then I'd suggest sticking with Intel Extreme Graphics solution. Compare the 0.13 equal parts and the GF6800 looks out of place (clocked lower even), if you compare to the very end of the 0.15 generation you are bound to see baseline eqalities, but the potential eficinecies from the new process seem wasted. 288W under load versus 261/263 is sitll noticeable for a part that isn't even the expected UltraExtreme.

Not trying to switch anyone's opinion,

Don't worry, I doubt anyone would be swayed by the above, nothing to even take into consideration really.

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Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 05/04/04 02:59 PM.

cleeve · May 4, 2004

If you're talking about the "Far Cry" engine bhudda pictures, those are misleading. They compare PS 1.1 to PS 3.0... not PS 2.0 to PS 3.0.

The jump from PS 2.0 to 3.0 is not nearly as revolutionary as 1.0 to 2.0.

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KCjoker · May 5, 2004

Cleeve they have 1.1, 2.0 and 3.0 screens in that link. GreatGrape, relax I'm just giving my opinion. Are there some games that Nvidia has compatibility issues with? of course but in MY experience it happens more often with ATI cards. Most people that are in the market for a card now won't be able to buy another card in 6 months when ATI has 3.0 enabled.

GeneticWeapon · May 5, 2004

Grape, did you read the "Fart Cry" story on the front page of EB?

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