X800GT Benchmarked

TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 30, 2005

HKepc once again breaking new ground;

<A HREF="http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/x800gt-1.htm" target="_new">http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/x800gt-1.htm</A>

They were unsuccesful at unlocking pipelines.

Interesting difference in results between 128mb and 256mb.

EDIT: Article been put on hold, go to <A HREF="http://www.hkepc.com/" target="_new">HKEPC</A> and check in on occasion if you care, for time being says (Coming Soon).

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Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 08/02/05 05:48 PM.

Gamer_369 · Jul 30, 2005

Yea, I guess being as a "enthusiast" gamer, I'm not too interested, but I guess it is good for the mainstream users out there. Where nVidia usually won with the mainstream users, due to ATI's lack, maybe this card could help solve that problem.

I must admit, though, I'm all confused with the entire x850 line-up ATI has compiled. If I spent enough time, I'd probably understand it better, but it certainly doesn't compare to the 6200, 6600, 6800...lol. I can understand those...

And I find it a little quirky that this low end card just happens to use the suffix, GT. My, oh my, it looks quite familiar... 😉

All-in-all, this x800 GT looks to be a strong competitor with the compared cards. I guess the next thing, that will play a major role, is price. If this card ended up cosing less than let's say a 6600, then I would have to view it as quite interesting, aside from the benchmark results.

Although, it'll also be important as to when it'll come out. You know, by the time it did, in fact, come out, nVidia could have already released the mainstream and low end cards for the G 7000 series.

Edited by Gamer_369 on 07/30/05 00:03 AM.

scottchen · Jul 30, 2005

I don't think ATI needs to worry much, Nvidia didn't dominate anything, in the last fiscal yeara, Nvidia lost to ATI, in the desktop sector, integrated sector, AND the mobile sector.

RX8 · Jul 30, 2005

Nice card but pointless as market is already being flooded with so many modals which all do the same performance or better for the money, a lot of people dont bother with 6800le`s/6800 vanillas and x800pro/x800gt moddles now because for a few £/$ more we have the x800xt/x800xl/6800gt which are all far better and with very competative pricing of the 6800gt at £200 or below in the uk there is not much of a market for a £180 x800gt when the XL is already that price and the 6600gt is at £100.

IMO X800gt is a waste of time unless its crossfire ready.

 Dont expect Miracles humans made them.

scottchen · Jul 30, 2005

Revenue.

TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 30, 2005

Why am I not surprised you'd pipe in with some nV sponsored blathering?

I see your ignorance hasn't improved either.

Where nVidia usually won with the mainstream users, due to ATI's lack, maybe this card could help solve that problem.

Like scottchen mentions <A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050728052358.html" target="_new">Mercury says otherwise</A>, guess you need another A$$umption to work with. So if you're saying this will simply improve ATi's position I guess even more of the mainstream will be theirs.

I must admit, though, I'm all confused

That's not surprising really.

the 6200, 6600, 6800...lol. I can understand those...

Well of course, your nV Fanboi guidebook has the secret decoder ring for how the GF6800LE stacks up with the GF6600GT, and why an LE isn't always and LE.

And I find it a little quirky that this low end card just happens to use the suffix, GT. My, oh my, it looks quite familiar...

Yeah similar to nV's FX line using XT; Turnabout is fair play I guess. Speaking of convoluted, those FX lines had more endings than a choose-your-own-adventure.

You know, by the time it did, in fact, come out, nVidia could have already released the mainstream and low end cards for the G 7000 series.

Sure sure, of course, and then the next generation SIS cards could blow them both out of the water.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jul 30, 2005

Nice card but pointless as market is already being flooded with so many modals which all do the same performance or better for the money

Companies releasing cards with revisions, like the R9800SE, or FX5900XT are there because they can be made at a low cost, even if they compete against equalling performing parts, if they are cast-offs then getting +$1 for them means that they are a good play for the company. Even if the X800GT takes away from X700XT or even plain X800 sales, if it costs less to produce (use chips that couldn't perform as X800Pros or vanilla X800s that would've been tossed otherwise) then the benifit is there, and in all likelyhood the prices will come down just like all previous cards, but even if they don't (like many GF6800Us and X850XTs) they still will likely find a niche in the big box market, and may take volume pressure of the e-tailers, which isn't good for the Mfr, but ends up being good for us.

I'd prefer the vanilla X800 or GF6800 over the GT, but pricing will likely change the attractiveness within months or even weeks of release. As for UK prices, when is that ever a good guage, you guys get $crewed over worse than Canadians for prices. :tongue:

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HardWareBoss · Jul 30, 2005

Chips. To many stinken chips laying around with nothing better to do. Can't eat them. So make another vid card to get rid of them.

KCjoker · Jul 31, 2005

That card looks very good. Anyone know the price??

Gamer_369 · Jul 31, 2005

Why am I not surprised you'd pipe in with some nV sponsored blathering?

Because, honestly, what's so exciting about this x800GT card? I'd choose a SM 3 over SM2 anyday. Especially as more games are starting to utelize this technology.

Like scottchen mentions Mercury says otherwise, guess you need another A$$umption to work with. So if you're saying this will simply improve ATi's position I guess even more of the mainstream will be theirs.

Sorry, but my assumptions were based on what I see around the boards of the GPU market, or other hardware sources.

I guess I should have looked at the finacial stats, but instead I went on what I was seeing a vast amount of people claiming, and therefore my assumptions are based solely on that.

Well of course, your nV Fanboi guidebook has the secret decoder ring for how the GF6800LE stacks up with the GF6600GT, and why an LE isn't always and LE.

What's so fanboish about liking a product, and speaking fondly of it? I do the same with toilet paper, so does that mean I'm a Charmon Ultra fanboy? 0_o

Edited by Gamer_369 on 07/30/05 06:41 PM.

RX8 · Jul 31, 2005

we get screwed hardcore its because of are taxes, o well what can i say, we get paid more to compensate. lol

 Dont expect Miracles humans made them.

pauldh · Aug 1, 2005

Seems I may have <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=440041#440041" target="_new">called it right</A> after his third post. *pats own shoulder*

The GT name doesn't suprise me either, XT/GT same shot.

I'd like to see an English review, but looks to be a good $150 card. I wonder if that is the 128MB price? The 256MB does offer a big boost. It Seems too big a cross-the-board performance difference to just be from the amount of mem (128MB/256MB).

<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=658042" target="_new">3DMark05</A> <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3781954" target="_new">3DMark03</A>

pauldh · Aug 1, 2005

The 6800 series naming scheme is much clearer for sure.

6800UE, 6800U 0C, 6800U, 6800GT 0C, 6800GT, 6800GT 128MB, 6800 OC, 6800GE, 6800 Vanilla, 6800 128MB, 6800LE, 6800LMNOP etc. Plain and simple unlike the confusing XTpe, XT, XL, pro, vanilla, GT, and SE. :tongue:

I'd say the only valid point you have is; some people may be lost with the X850 series introduction: X850 vs X800 and where does X850 XT fit in with X800XTpe, or X850 pro vs X800XL vs x800 pro. That gets a tad bit more difficult, but not much more so that NV's 6600GT and faster lineup.

<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=658042" target="_new">3DMark05</A> <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3781954" target="_new">3DMark03</A>

HardWareBoss · Aug 1, 2005

You forgot the X850XTPE.

addiarmadar · Aug 1, 2005

I have to aggree. The x800gt is a waste of time unless ATI is now also marketing to the suckers.

Only an overclocker can make a computer into a convectional oven.

pauldh · Aug 2, 2005

I didn't forget it, I just left it out since we all know that is ATI's current champ, but some people may mistakingly put the X850XT above the X800XTpe. I really didn't want to list the full ATI line as it would ruin my fun with Mr NV. :tongue:

<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=658042" target="_new">3DMark05</A> <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3781954" target="_new">3DMark03</A>

TheGreatGrapeApe · Aug 2, 2005

I'd choose a SM 3 over SM2 anyday. Especially as more games are starting to utelize this technology.

Right, sounds like the same PR stace of people choosing an FX5200 over a GF4ti or R8500 because it 'supports DX9'. Just goes to show people will get conned in by checkbox features.
Any card in the X800GT range cannot play well with any serious SM3.0 features enabled, as they already cripple the GF6800GT and Ultra, how it an LE or GF6600GT supposed to cope with half the resources? Of yes you'll have pretty demos to watch, definitely a selling point. I'd prefer better speed in games than being able to say I can enable HDR in FartCry, so it's only 640x480, but it's enabled, right?

I admit we are getting to the stage where SM3.0 is becoming important as the games that will benifit most from them (and not just using SM3.0 as an tack on feature) are around the corner; but even then it's only for the high end cards that it makes the difference, the low end can't use the features effectively and the mid-range cards should be replaced by their owners with the midrange G7x and RV5xx cards by the time those games ship. Should someone buy a GF6600 over an X800XL simply because of SM3.0? I don't think anyone here would support that kind of thinking.

I guess I should have looked at the finacial stats, but instead I went on what I was seeing a vast amount of people claiming, and therefore my assumptions are based solely on that.

And when you hang out in places where other Fanbois go unopposed (Anandtech) of course you'll make that assumption, however when you look at the data instead of 'group-think' mentality then you can be more objective. I'll take the data, even over what people here buy, because most of the people here are in the top third of the buying market so they wouldn't be represntative of the overall market. Most people here buy nV product of late, and rightly so as they've done a damn fine job with this line, but those choices don't match the overall market since they're the ignorant and cheep sheep that addiarmadar is speaking of who buy X300SEs and GF6200TCs or X600SEs and FX/PCX5500s, etc.

What's so fanboish about liking a product, and speaking fondly of it? I do the same with toilet paper, so does that mean I'm a Charmon Ultra fanboy? 0_o

There's nothing wrong with speaking fondly of a product/mfr/line, but there is something wrong with ignoring all other logical thought or valid benifits of other products/mfrs. I like Matrox best, but even on the rare occasion where I can recommend one I often temper any recommendation with the reminder that they cost a premium, because while I like them, I'm not about to throw away someone else's money who may not see the benifit of the 200+% premium.
Also thread-crapping other people's threads because you're a fanboi isn't cool either. This thread wasn't to promote the card, it was an FYI, especially for people like WUSY who like to 'unlock' potential out of things. However you come in an bitch and moan about teh nomenclature, and then write falsehoods for the umpteenth time to try and promote your favourite team. And when confronted you either edit your statements to pretend like you didn't say it, or you try and distort it and say you meant something.

Calling yourself an " "enthusiast" gamer " really is just laughable and does a diservice to all the true enthusiasts out there.

Be a fan of Charmin (proper spelling, which you'd know if you were a fan :tongue: ) if you want, but it shouldn't involve misleading people about Northern or Cottonelle to validate your points.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Aug 2, 2005

Oh, and PS, you forgot the two versions of the GF6800LE (16pipe 8 pipe) that got me into trouble early in the year. :lol:

You could've also mentioned the Gigabyte X800 (faster memory clock than most X800s) and the GF6800 with 128mb of DDR or 128mb of GDDR3, etc.

Now add in all the Gateway, Dell, etc. special versions of both of these companies cards, and it becomes really messed up.

Of course the Matrox cards are nice and easily numbered... but damn... the OEM Parhelia is slower than the retail!

Forget XGI I can't figure out what the card is doing from one week to the next because of those wonky drivers. It's a V8 one week and a 2-stroke 80cc the next. :evil:

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Gamer_369 · Aug 2, 2005

I totally understand where you're coming from, and agree that the any biased thinking should be excluded when recomending or preferring a card.

After reading my first reply, I don't think I was too bad in bitching about the x800GT. I think I was fair in saying it was a strong competitor with the 6600GT; something I originally posted and did not edit in, as I don't do that.

There's nothing wrong with speaking fondly of a product/mfr/line, but there is something wrong with ignoring all other logical thought or valid benifits of other products/mfrs.

Right, and I try to abstain from that as much as possible. But really, the only "other thought" towards this x800GT was the benchmarks shown, and it does look to be like a strong competitor to nVidia.

Overall, though, price will play a big role.

Also thread-crapping other people's threads because you're a fanboi isn't cool either. This thread wasn't to promote the card, it was an FYI, especially for people like WUSY who like to 'unlock' potential out of things. However you come in an bitch and moan about teh nomenclature, and then write falsehoods for the umpteenth time to try and promote your favourite team.

I'm sorry, but I don't think I've done such 🙁

The truth is, I'm being critizied for speaking against the majority. Just like those many threads claiming Crossfire>SLI. I simply stated that's not neccisarily the case, and ultimately time would tell, but for now, SLI is still rocks. 😛

I'm sorry if I disagree with others, but I'm trying to give another point of view for people being bombarded with the same opinions.

But overall, I think I'm being fair in my comments. I'm really not a fanboy, I assure you. I, for one, am anticipating the release of the r520, and have been for a while now. I also currently have a 9800 PRO, and am very happy with it. Lol, if anything, you can call me an ATI fanboy (but let's not get into that.) 😀Edited by Gamer_369 on 08/01/05 09:32 PM.

pauldh · Aug 2, 2005

I didn't realize there was a 16-pipe 6800LE, besides the small number of succeful 8 pipe unlocks people claimed at one time. I figured stock 8 pipe 6800LE < 6600GT < 6800.

Yeah, Dell had that 6800GE like Asus, that many folks mistook for 6800GT's. There are probably countlessd other examples through the years of Gateway/Dell exclusives.

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Gamer_369 · Aug 2, 2005

All the suffixed make it confusing, imo... lol ^_^

It'd me nice if their was just the no suffix, GT, and Ultra. Otherwise, things are more confusing than they should be.

TheRod · Aug 2, 2005

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RX8 · Aug 2, 2005

I Do not agree with you on the sm 3.0 - sm 2.0 issue, i have a 6800 128 16 pipes unlocked and my card is not crushed when sm3.0 is enabled on games there is a performance dip but i avarage 30fps on chronicles of riddick, and the graphics look a bit more crisper/smoother better looking on the 6800 than the X800XT.

Sometimes it is just a massive PR stunt (which both companys sh1t out), but then again there is a difference in what the outcome is (Graphic visuals), and the performance decrease is not what you say it is if you want a sm3.0 card buy a nvidia simple and NOT a ATI card.

This is all based on my opnions which i have seen, i trust reviews as much as i trust my nieghbour hes ok but i would not leave him my car keys.

 Dont expect Miracles humans made them.

Zoron · Aug 2, 2005

Charmin Ultra Megaroll baby!

:tongue:

 If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it.

HardWareBoss · Aug 2, 2005

Not to mention the new stuff that's coming from ATI. Whatever day that is. :frown:

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