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Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for HDMI
support with the 360 is lost.

I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI or
DVI inputs.
This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That is
one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.
 
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Well, it will only hurt them if the PS3 and Revolution support it.
Considering Nintendo doesn't even REALLY want to do component cables
right now I think we can write off the Revolution as having DVI.

This really is too bad though... so much for their "HD Generation" of
gaming.

- Jordan
 
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"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
HDMI
> support with the 360 is lost.
>
> I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI or
> DVI

**inputs** strike that.

I meant to say "outputs".

Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
their new console.
It will hurt them if they don't.
 
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"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:QZWdnU5pHN7TYybfRVn-ig@suscom.com...
>> Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
> HDMI
>> support with the 360 is lost.
>>
>> I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
>> or
>> DVI
>
> **inputs** strike that.
>
> I meant to say "outputs".
>
> Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
> their new console.
> It will hurt them if they don't.
>

I don't think it will as long as the games are good. I have one HDMI input
on my tv and I have my DVD set to that and I don't want to switch cables
back and forth.
 
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He's not the only one...

Saturn, Playstation, Dreamcast and Gamecube in the living room.

Xbox, PS2 in the bedroom.

Genesis/Sega CD/32X combo and Turbo DUO in the second bedroom.

Various hand-helds wherever they end up...

- Jordan
 
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"Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Well, it will only hurt them if the PS3 and Revolution support it.
> Considering Nintendo doesn't even REALLY want to do component cables
> right now I think we can write off the Revolution as having DVI.
>
> This really is too bad though... so much for their "HD Generation" of
> gaming.

The PS3 will support both.
Hopefully MS has the ability to add HDMI & DVI it on later with an adapter.
I just don't understand their logic for not having these options available
day 1.
It sure as hell isn't a deal breaker for me personally but if they don't
offer it down the line they will sway the HT enthusiast crowd to lean
towards a PS3.
 
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Except those won't be launch titles, will they? I agree that the stuff
coming down the line will be ridiculous but I was just going off the
launch list at EB
 
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Boody Bandit wrote:
> "Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1119624418.045258.146310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Well, it will only hurt them if the PS3 and Revolution support it.
>>Considering Nintendo doesn't even REALLY want to do component cables
>>right now I think we can write off the Revolution as having DVI.
>>
>>This really is too bad though... so much for their "HD Generation" of
>>gaming.
>
>
> The PS3 will support both.
> Hopefully MS has the ability to add HDMI & DVI it on later with an adapter.
> I just don't understand their logic for not having these options available
> day 1.
> It sure as hell isn't a deal breaker for me personally but if they don't
> offer it down the line they will sway the HT enthusiast crowd to lean
> towards a PS3.
>
>
yeah, that 1080p is looking nicer and nicer. I just emptied my piggy
bank so I can purchase a new new Sharp or Samsung come spring.
 
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"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> Boody Bandit wrote:
> > "Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:1119624418.045258.146310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>Well, it will only hurt them if the PS3 and Revolution support it.
> >>Considering Nintendo doesn't even REALLY want to do component cables
> >>right now I think we can write off the Revolution as having DVI.
> >>
> >>This really is too bad though... so much for their "HD Generation" of
> >>gaming.
> >
> >
> > The PS3 will support both.
> > Hopefully MS has the ability to add HDMI & DVI it on later with an
adapter.
> > I just don't understand their logic for not having these options
available
> > day 1.
> > It sure as hell isn't a deal breaker for me personally but if they don't
> > offer it down the line they will sway the HT enthusiast crowd to lean
> > towards a PS3.
> >
> >
> yeah, that 1080p is looking nicer and nicer. I just emptied my piggy
> bank so I can purchase a new new Sharp or Samsung come spring.

AWESOME!
I am looking into getting a DLP 1080p set for my 2nd gaming room.
My wife has taken over the Theater/gaming room ever since I purchase a new
screen 🙁
 
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Boody Bandit wrote:
> "theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
> news:WQVue.8752$lv.5955@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Boody Bandit wrote:
>>
>>>"Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1119624418.045258.146310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, it will only hurt them if the PS3 and Revolution support it.
>>>>Considering Nintendo doesn't even REALLY want to do component cables
>>>>right now I think we can write off the Revolution as having DVI.
>>>>
>>>>This really is too bad though... so much for their "HD Generation" of
>>>>gaming.
>>>
>>>
>>>The PS3 will support both.
>>>Hopefully MS has the ability to add HDMI & DVI it on later with an
>
> adapter.
>
>>>I just don't understand their logic for not having these options
>
> available
>
>>>day 1.
>>>It sure as hell isn't a deal breaker for me personally but if they don't
>>>offer it down the line they will sway the HT enthusiast crowd to lean
>>>towards a PS3.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>yeah, that 1080p is looking nicer and nicer. I just emptied my piggy
>>bank so I can purchase a new new Sharp or Samsung come spring.
>
>
> AWESOME!
> I am looking into getting a DLP 1080p set for my 2nd gaming room.
> My wife has taken over the Theater/gaming room ever since I purchase a new
> screen 🙁
>
>
awwww...you poor, poor thing...wait....
2nd gaming room?! I don't wanna hear it anymore boody! You're not right!
 
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theOne wrote:
> Boody Bandit wrote:
>
>> "theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
>> news:WQVue.8752$lv.5955@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>> Boody Bandit wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:1119624418.045258.146310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, it will only hurt them if the PS3 and Revolution support it.
>>>>> Considering Nintendo doesn't even REALLY want to do component cables
>>>>> right now I think we can write off the Revolution as having DVI.
>>>>>
>>>>> This really is too bad though... so much for their "HD Generation" of
>>>>> gaming.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The PS3 will support both.
>>>> Hopefully MS has the ability to add HDMI & DVI it on later with an
>>
>>
>> adapter.
>>
>>>> I just don't understand their logic for not having these options
>>
>>
>> available
>>
>>>> day 1.
>>>> It sure as hell isn't a deal breaker for me personally but if they
>>>> don't
>>>> offer it down the line they will sway the HT enthusiast crowd to lean
>>>> towards a PS3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> yeah, that 1080p is looking nicer and nicer. I just emptied my piggy
>>> bank so I can purchase a new new Sharp or Samsung come spring.
>>
>>
>>
>> AWESOME!
>> I am looking into getting a DLP 1080p set for my 2nd gaming room.
>> My wife has taken over the Theater/gaming room ever since I purchase
>> a new
>> screen 🙁
>>
>>
> awwww...you poor, poor thing...wait....
> 2nd gaming room?! I don't wanna hear it anymore boody! You're not right!


btw, can i come over?
 
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"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> theOne wrote:
> > Boody Bandit wrote:
> >
> >> "theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
> >> news:WQVue.8752$lv.5955@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> >>
> >>> Boody Bandit wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:1119624418.045258.146310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well, it will only hurt them if the PS3 and Revolution support it.
> >>>>> Considering Nintendo doesn't even REALLY want to do component cables
> >>>>> right now I think we can write off the Revolution as having DVI.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This really is too bad though... so much for their "HD Generation"
of
> >>>>> gaming.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The PS3 will support both.
> >>>> Hopefully MS has the ability to add HDMI & DVI it on later with an
> >>
> >>
> >> adapter.
> >>
> >>>> I just don't understand their logic for not having these options
> >>
> >>
> >> available
> >>
> >>>> day 1.
> >>>> It sure as hell isn't a deal breaker for me personally but if they
> >>>> don't
> >>>> offer it down the line they will sway the HT enthusiast crowd to lean
> >>>> towards a PS3.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> yeah, that 1080p is looking nicer and nicer. I just emptied my piggy
> >>> bank so I can purchase a new new Sharp or Samsung come spring.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> AWESOME!
> >> I am looking into getting a DLP 1080p set for my 2nd gaming room.
> >> My wife has taken over the Theater/gaming room ever since I purchase
> >> a new
> >> screen 🙁
> >>
> >>
> > awwww...you poor, poor thing...wait....
> > 2nd gaming room?! I don't wanna hear it anymore boody! You're not right!
>
>
> btw, can i come over?

anyday anytime.
I keep the bar stocked and the fridge full.
You do your own cooking though and serving.
 
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"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:QZWdnU5pHN7TYybfRVn-ig@suscom.com...
>> Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
> HDMI
>> support with the 360 is lost.
>>
>> I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
>> or
>> DVI
>
> **inputs** strike that.
>
> I meant to say "outputs".
>
> Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
> their new console.
> It will hurt them if they don't.
>
>

Since HDMI/DVI output is only *required* for HD content that is copy
protected via HDCP, and the Xbox 360 does not have an HD DVD drive, there is
no real need for the outputs. HDMI/DVI for gaming is better than component,
and I am guessing that MS wants to hold the cost down.

I agree, however, that DVI/HDMI are must-haves for any console in this era
of HDTV.

-Sammy
 
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"SpanishTeacher" <kyler.jackson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Except those won't be launch titles, will they? I agree that the stuff
> coming down the line will be ridiculous but I was just going off the
> launch list at EB

Yup, PGR3 and NFS:MW are launch titles.
 
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Boody Bandit <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI or
> DVI inputs.
> This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That is
> one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.

Probably because they really don't want you hooking it up to a computer
monitor, and installing MacOSX on it 😉

That'd be the ultimate irony, wouldn't it? Apple out-iMac'd by Microsoft.
 
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> Boody Bandit <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
or
> > DVI inputs.
> > This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That
is
> > one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.
>
> Probably because they really don't want you hooking it up to a computer
> monitor, and installing MacOSX on it 😉

VGA has been confirmed for the 360 though ;0(

> That'd be the ultimate irony, wouldn't it? Apple out-iMac'd by Microsoft.

LOL! definitely ultimate
 
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theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> awwww...you poor, poor thing...wait....
> 2nd gaming room?! I don't wanna hear it anymore boody! You're not right!

LOL.

Well, you have to admit, that's one way to solve the "too many devices,
not enough inputs" problem.

Hm. Let's see...knowing what makes a good home theater room, what would
make a good gaming room?

Seating up front for 4, wireless controllers, not sure if surround sound
would be that much of a requirement, but y a good set of stereo speakers
definitely would be.
 
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Mattinglyfan <Estoscacahuates@comcast.net (deez nuts)> wrote:

> From what I've read though, I may just hold off until spring of 2006 to buy
> a plasma and just stick with my Wega because what I've read indicates that
> 80% of the launch titles are not tremendously distinguishable from the top
> of the line Xbox titles. The exceptions being Gears of War, Morrowind and
> some other game that I can't remember because it doesn't interest me. I
> don't want to buy a 360 just to play Morrowind and Madden. I can't wait
> till they (the developers) get the development down so they can start
> cranking out the truly impressive goods. So far, those are the only 2
> titles that have blown me away. Full Auto does not look like something that
> can't be done on the Xbox so I don't understand why people are bragging
> about this game.

That's been my opinion about all the launch titles - same old stuff,
slightly better graphics. Nothing worth buying on release day, IMHO.

> >
> > Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
> > their new console.
> > It will hurt them if they don't.
> >
> >
 
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"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
> HDMI
> support with the 360 is lost.
>
> I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI or
> DVI inputs.
> This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That is
> one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.
>
I was just reading the article on teamxbox and they stated that they may add
HDMI output later on. I don't think it will hurt anything by it just having
component for now.

---
HDTV games lists and discussions
http://www.hdtvarcade.com
 
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"Ollie T" <hello@hello.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:QZWdnU5pHN7TYybfRVn-ig@suscom.com...
> > Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
> > HDMI
> > support with the 360 is lost.
> >
> > I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
or
> > DVI inputs.
> > This is not going to go over well with tech geeks such as myself. That
is
> > one of the areas where MS got the most support in the first place.
> >
> I was just reading the article on teamxbox and they stated that they may
add
> HDMI output later on. I don't think it will hurt anything by it just
having
> component for now.

HT guru's are already frowning over it.
Check the forums for yourself.
 
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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:
>
>
>>awwww...you poor, poor thing...wait....
>>2nd gaming room?! I don't wanna hear it anymore boody! You're not right!
>
>
> LOL.
>
> Well, you have to admit, that's one way to solve the "too many devices,
> not enough inputs" problem.
>
> Hm. Let's see...knowing what makes a good home theater room, what would
> make a good gaming room?
>
> Seating up front for 4, wireless controllers, not sure if surround sound
> would be that much of a requirement, but y a good set of stereo speakers
> definitely would be.

not today's generation of wireless, that's for sure!
 
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SpanishTeacher wrote:
> Except those won't be launch titles, will they? I agree that the stuff
> coming down the line will be ridiculous but I was just going off the
> launch list at EB
>

your real name is Kyler? :)
 
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"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> SpanishTeacher wrote:
>> Except those won't be launch titles, will they? I agree that the stuff
>> coming down the line will be ridiculous but I was just going off the
>> launch list at EB
>>
>
> your real name is Kyler? :)

Shhhhh. My oldest son's is. I had to use his account because I couldn't
remember my gmail info.
 
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Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5b6dnQfBz6vOYibfRVn-rw@suscom.com...
>
>>"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:QZWdnU5pHN7TYybfRVn-ig@suscom.com...
>>
>>>Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
>>
>>HDMI
>>
>>>support with the 360 is lost.
>>>
>>>I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
>>>or
>>>DVI
>>
>>**inputs** strike that.
>>
>>I meant to say "outputs".
>>
>>Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
>>their new console.
>>It will hurt them if they don't.
>>
>>
>
>
> Since HDMI/DVI output is only *required* for HD content that is copy
> protected via HDCP, and the Xbox 360 does not have an HD DVD drive, there is
> no real need for the outputs. HDMI/DVI for gaming is better than component,
> and I am guessing that MS wants to hold the cost down.
>
> I agree, however, that DVI/HDMI are must-haves for any console in this era
> of HDTV.
>
> -Sammy
>
>
>
you don't think a copy protection/DRM will be implemented that
would require DVI's encryption? with an xbox 360 no less that will
surely serve as a MCE extender?
 
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"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> Sammy "The Bull" Gravano wrote:
>> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5b6dnQfBz6vOYibfRVn-rw@suscom.com...
>>
>>>"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:QZWdnU5pHN7TYybfRVn-ig@suscom.com...
>>>
>>>>Well according to the latest interview with Todd Holmdahl, all hope for
>>>
>>>HDMI
>>>
>>>>support with the 360 is lost.
>>>>
>>>>I don't understand why Microsoft is making a Hi-Def system without HDMI
>>>>or
>>>>DVI
>>>
>>>**inputs** strike that.
>>>
>>>I meant to say "outputs".
>>>
>>>Hopefully MS will change their minds and include these output options for
>>>their new console.
>>>It will hurt them if they don't.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Since HDMI/DVI output is only *required* for HD content that is copy
>> protected via HDCP, and the Xbox 360 does not have an HD DVD drive, there
>> is no real need for the outputs. HDMI/DVI for gaming is better than
>> component, and I am guessing that MS wants to hold the cost down.
>>
>> I agree, however, that DVI/HDMI are must-haves for any console in this
>> era of HDTV.
>>
>> -Sammy
>>
>>
>>
> you don't think a copy protection/DRM will be implemented that
> would require DVI's encryption? with an xbox 360 no less that will surely
> serve as a MCE extender?

I think with the Xbox 360 acting as an extender, then all copy protection
services will be performed by the MCE computer on the network. The MCE
computer will *need* DVI/HDMI inputs to receive copy protected content from
satellite, cable, OTA, etc. After the MCE computer gets the content, it is
able to stream it to any extender on the network, in an un-copy protected
form.

-Sammy
 
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