Xfx 7950 and 660 ti

[hihiip201]

I just exchanged my 660 ti with 50 dollar for a xfx 7950 hoping to get a little better performance in gaming. This decision is based on the advice of the sales guy and the benchmarks online.


But I cannot believe how much my fps is dropped from using 7950 instead of 660 ti. I was getting 30-40 fps in smoke with 660 ti. and with the 7950, 30-40 fps seems to be the "normal" fps.


I don't understand this, I installed the drivers and everything properly, how is this happening?

 

[mclovits]

Try that suite, maybe you'll get some better frame rates. Nvidia cards tend to have higher framerates in Battlefield 3 in general, some games (I believe the Dirt Series for example) have higher FPS on average for AMD cards, it's really back and forth. If you want more performance, I would really consider some overclocking, it's really a piece of cake once you know how to do it. A light CPU overclock will benefit you too, just make sure you have sufficient cooling.

 

[Thomzey]

You sure about that son?

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited

http://techreport.com/review/24051/geforce-versus-radeon-captured-on-high-speed-video

http://techreport.com/review/24022/does-the-radeon-hd-7950-stumble-in-windows-8

a Radeon 7870 is compared to a GTX 660Ti

 

[bigcyco1]

a Radeon 7870 is compared to a GTX 660Ti

:lol: who told you that

 

[Thomzey]

:lol: who told you that

lots of places they have been tested and the HD7870 won %50 of the games that were thrown at it they are both equal cards

 

[mclovits]

I'm here to help someone with an issue, not hijack a thread with debate. As for that post^, a 660ti is stronger than a 7870 without question, easily a 5 frame difference in Battlefield 3: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,3279-4.html

Here, I even found this for ya: http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/images/perfrel_1920.gif

Now let's try to help this guy with his issue...

 

[Thomzey]

I'm here to help someone with an issue, not hijack a thread with debate. As for that post^, a 660ti is stronger than a 7870 without question, easily a 5 frame difference in Battlefield 3: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,3279-4.html

thats only in one game and i was only correcting someones mistake

 

[hihiip201]

Well, SHOULD 7950 be getting better performance than 660 ti?


I am starting to feel like i wasted that 54 bucks to switch from 660 ti to 7950. lol


The thing is that, I get 7950 instead in hopes that I can reduce the drop frame during smoke and explosion. as I was getting huge fps drop from 60 to 30 with 660 ti.

but it seems that Im still having the same problem with my 7950, on top of the lower average fps.And It's too late since I will be leaving where Im at right now and will not be able to exchange again(not to mention the 15% stock fee if I do).

 

[hihiip201]

It doesn't seem like anyone is still trying to help you find an answer hihiip, here's what I would do: begin by overclocking your card according to the guide of your choice (YouTube has some great tutorials, if you'd like one, I'd be happy to post one, just ask) Make sure to test with a program like 3DMark 11 and monitor your temperatures with your overclocking program (I'd recommend MSI Afterburner). Once you have achieved this, go for a quick processor overclock to maybe 4.4 GHz if you have not yet overclocked. This will allow you get the most performance from your card.

I currently run a 4.4GHz i5 3570k with an Asus GTX 670 DirectCUII TOP and I can average 75-90 FPS in Battlefield 3 on ultra at 1080p. The key to good performance from an overclock is the highest stable speed you can achieve at the lowest possible voltage. This may take a few hours, but it is more than worth it in the end.

PLEASE ask if you have any more questions, I hope I was able to stay on topic and help you with your issue. Note* make sure you uninstall anything relating to AMD's Catalyst control center/your graphics card drivers and install the latest from Nvidias website.

Thank you for your help!

The good thing with my cpu is that I have liquid cooler and I should be able to OC my cpu easily.
But the problem is that I am new to OC, I just built my comp as the matter of fact, so Im not sure how the increasing voltage work without damaging my gear.

 

[mohit9206]

all said a 660ti and 7950 are the same tier and performance cards. however overclocked we know a 7950 would beat a 660ti as 660ti has limited overclocking potential or so i have read.
as for the fps OP is getting its perfectly normal i think. 40 fps in BF3 maxed out is what the 7950 is capable of. maybe it will touch 45-50 by overclocking it.
btw computer salesman are jerks who don't know a thing about computer hardware and its funny how they seriously try to reason how something is better than the other.

 

[mclovits]

I would say you SHOULD get similar, if not slightly better performance with you 7950, just slightly. It really depends on the games you play, have you tried anything else besides battlefield 3? If you really need to, just wait until the next generation of GPUs comes out in a few months and re-upgrade to like a GTX 770 or something along those lines in terms of performance.

 

[mclovits]

Well don't worry about your CPU for the moment, start with your graphics card: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBRbdECldQs

That tutorial should be sufficient for your purposes. Basically it's all about the lowest voltage:highest clock speeds ratio. Test with 3DMark 11 like I said, keeping Afterburner open to monitor temps for you while 3DMark runs. If there are no visible graphical artifacts or "glitches" when testing for a stable clock you are ok, and as long as the temperature doesn't go over maybe 90 degrees, you'll be alright.

 

[bigcyco1]

I'm here to help someone with an issue, not hijack a thread with debate. As for that post^, a 660ti is stronger than a 7870 without question, easily a 5 frame difference in Battlefield 3: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,3279-4.html

Here, I even found this for ya: http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_Ti_Power_Edition/images/perfrel_1920.gif

Now let's try to help this guy with his issue...

+1

 

[hihiip201]

Well, I have done everything I could. now even catalyst control center is rigged. it say s it "Could Not Load File or Assembly CLI.Implementation" and would not let me open it.


Also, I know everyone keep saying that I am supposed to get similar result, but I am just not getting that.

I am using the 12.11 beta driver already. I'm not OCing or anything yet. But neither did I for 660 ti. So I think its safe to say that stock clock goes, 660 ti is better than 7950 at bf3, and it is NOT worth the 50 dollar exchange. Don't you guys ever make the same mistake!( i got my 660 ti during sales too T T sniff)


I have the xfx double d edition of the 7950 btw. And I have another question, my brother told me that 7950 is a mid range card since "50" in 7950 indicates it is in the mid range zone. So does that mean I should have at least exchange my 660ti for 7870? or card with higher in last two digits?

 

[hihiip201]

I also just got a Bsod blue screen and I think it is defintely the card/driver. I have no idea what to do, I am leaving for good tomorrow and I spent 50 dollar to exchange a piece of junk. lol

Do you guys think a 15 % stock fee is worth it to get back to my ex ? (660 ti). lol

7950 is 309.99 and 660 ti is now 279.99. why have I done this to myself?

 

[Guest]

I also just got a Bsod blue screen and I think it is defintely the card/driver. I have no idea what to do, I am leaving for good tomorrow and I spent 50 dollar to exchange a piece of junk. lol

Do you guys think a 15 % stock fee is worth it to get back to my ex ? (660 ti). lol

7950 is 309.99 and 660 ti is now 279.99. why have I done this to myself?

you can always bitcoin your money back . . .

 

[chargedgod]

Hmm lets see-YA MOST GAMERS ARE SURE ABOUT THAT-However about fanboys its hard to tell :lol:

As for the post :-

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6393/amds-holiday-plans-cat1211-new-bundle

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/5.html

Thats 1920x1200 7950 59.3-60 ][HD 7970 is 2-3 Fps more than 7950 sadly ]

Novuake Get your facts right son and for newbies sake don't post crap bench

You might be facing driver conflicts between leftover nvidia files with amd drivers.Just give a try and again Happy gaming with 7950

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7950/Pages/radeon-7950.aspx#4

Read clearly the footnote and review section in the above page

 

[chargedgod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXRCz-Lnnw

 

[Novuake]

Hmm lets see-YA MOST GAMERS ARE SURE ABOUT THAT-However about fanboys its hard to tell :lol:

As for the post :-

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6393/amds-holiday-plans-cat1211-new-bundle

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/5.html

Thats 1920x1200 7950 59.3-60 ][HD 7970 is 2-3 Fps more than 7950 sadly ]

Novuake Get your facts right son and for newbies sake don't post crap bench

You might be facing driver conflicts between leftover nvidia files with amd drivers.Just give a try and again Happy gaming with 7950

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7950/Pages/radeon-7950.aspx#4

Read clearly the footnote and review section in the above page

Are you drunk?

I never said anything about the HD7970.

Does anybody see what this guy replies to me or am I insane???

Did you even read the TR reports?

 

[mclovits]

The fee is worth it in your case, I've never really been a fan of AMD cards, at least not in this series, Nvidia seems to have a bit of an edge this time around. If you can, buy your 660Ti back and enjoy the framerates, sorry we couldn't fix your problem, best of luck in the future though!

 

[Novuake]

The fee is worth it in your case, I've never really been a fan of AMD cards, at least not in this series, Nvidia seems to have a bit of an edge this time around. If you can, buy your 660Ti back and enjoy the framerates, sorry we couldn't fix your problem, best of luck in the future though!

NVidia has the edge and yet the HD7970 GHz is MUCH faster AND cheaper than the GTX680.

Riiiiight...

EDIT : The only place Nvidia is legitimately competitive with AMD in price to performance is GTX650ti, GTX660, GTX660ti and GTX670 and in most of those they are neck and neck. No where else, not above or below...

How is that "having the edge"?

 

[mclovits]

Personal opinion pal, that's besides the point, and don't compare the GHz edition to reference hardware, it's overclocked, just in a reference design. I honestly couldn't care less about which card is better, both companies' products have their flaws, I just think, personally, that AMD cards are somewhat lacking this generation, and they had to be overclocked to be able to compete more aggressively with Nvidia's hardware, not to mention the coil whine that many reference 7970's have that I can't stand, again, it's all personal opinion, you don't have to like it, but you might as well not argue with it.

 

[Novuake]

Personal opinion pal, that's besides the point, and don't compare the GHz edition to reference hardware, it's overclocked, just in a reference design. I honestly couldn't care less about which card is better, both companies' products have their flaws, I just think, personally, that AMD cards are somewhat lacking this generation, and they had to be overclocked to be able to compete more aggressively with Nvidia's hardware, not to mention the coil whine that many reference 7970's have that I can't stand, again, it's all personal opinion, you don't have to like it, but you might as well not argue with it.

Your opinion is invalid.

 

[mclovits]

Your opinion is invalid.

Your perception of life is invalid, I'd recommend you try to exist harder.

 

[Novuake]

Your perception of life is invalid, I'd recommend you try to exist harder.

Sure...

 

[hihiip201]

Don't bother with the fanboys novauke... just let them be

Anyways OP, some of what you're describing really makes it sound like your driver install is not clean. If you haven't already, I'd recommend going through both of these sets of steps and then reinstalling the 12.11 beta 11 driver + 12.11 CAP 2 profiles:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1150443/how-to-remove-your-nvidia-gpu-drivers#post15432476
http://www.overclock.net/t/988215/how-to-properly-uninstall-ati-amd-software-drivers-for-graphics-cards

Also, why are you afraid to OC? It's not risky at all if you don't overvolt and the 7950 is the best overclocking card on the market. It would be silly for you to not at least download MSI Afterburner and boost your clock speed 100-200 MHz.

so if I do OC 7950 is a better choice over 660 ti?