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"Donald McDaniel" <dlmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:40:36 +0200, "Alias"
> <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Donald McDaniel" <dlmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1dvug1dfgr11bcnfmk2db6p1u1a97kano7@4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:44:05 +0200, "Alias"
>> > <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Donald McDaniel" <dlmcdaniel2005@yahoo.com> wrote
>> >> >> When either activation or WGA doesn't work for you, get back to me.
>> >> >> It
>> >> >> has
>> >> >> nothing to do with maturity, you moron! Being considered guilty
>> >> >> until
>> >> >> proven
>> >> >> innocent is an insult. Period.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alias
>> >> >>
>> >> > Sir: ONLY a court of law can convict a person of guilt or innocense.
>> >>
>> >> Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said that MS ASSUMES
>> >> YOU
>> >> ARE
>> >> GUILTY, not me, you moron! They ASSUME ONE IS GUILTY OF PIRACY UNTIL
>> >> ONE
>> >> PROVES OTHERWISE by activation and WGA.
>> >
>> > OK, prove it publically! I will certainly change my mind about
>> > Microsoft if you can PROVE (with internal documentation from MICROSOFT
>> > or a finding by a court of law) what you just said.
>>
>> Reading comprehension isn't your only problem. You also have a problem
>> with
>> logic. Why should I have to prove I bought something twice when I have
>> the
>> receipt for payment over in the drawer?
>
> No, "alias" you are the one with reading comprehension problems: I
> was referring your bold-faced lie that Microsoft automatically assumes
> all are guilty of piracy, above: Prove that Microsoft automatically
> considers all guilty of piracy until one proves it otherwise.
Activation and WGA, by definition, assume you have a pirated copy until you
prove otherwise by activating or passing the WGA test.
>
> Microsoft is not trying to weed out the LEGITIMATE license-holders
> with Product activation. They are trying to weed out the illegitimate
> licenses. To do this, they MUST check ALL keys without exception,
> since they have no record connecting an individual key with a
> legitimate license holder's name.
Like I said, only paying customers are affected. The pirates have cracked PA
and WGA.
>
> They DO have a list of pirated keys, or keys known to be pirated at
> one time or other, or keys which are used to attempt activation when
> the Activation record for that particular key is flagged as being
> already used to install on a machine with a different hardware profile
> than the hardware profile of the machine currently attempting to
> activate.
You don't have to convince me that the process is lame.
>
> So a part of Product Activation is a check of ALL keys against that
> list, plus other algorithms. Those which do not pass the test are
> rejected, while those which do pass it are activated, or go on to
> further algorithms.
Again, pirated copies have the PA cracked so the only people inconvenienced
and who can come up with a false positive are paying customers.
>
>
>> > Product Activation ACTUALLY assumes that ALL product keys of XP are
>> > LEGITIMATE, not ILLEGITIMATE. You just got it backward. Not
>> > completely your fault. You just lack a little knowledge and
>> > understanding about Microsoft Product Activation.
>>
>> BS. If they assumed all were legitimate, no PA would be necessary.
>> Meanwhile, the pirates just laugh and burn another copy.
>
> No, if YOU assumed that all were legitimate, no PA would be necessary.
> However, not all users of Windows are as honest as you.
The dishonest ones have cracked copies of pirated XPs and are not affected.
>
> For whatever reason, Microsoft has decided that it is necessary
>
>
>> > (By the way, Product Activation has been found to be COMPLETELY legal.
>> > I assure you, Microsofts' legal department would have reseached case
>> > law VERY, VERY carefully before instituting the process. Not only
>> > that, but MANY software developers are starting to require Product
>> > Activation or other means of authentication of some sort.)
>>
>> BS. PA has never been challenged in court. You're back pedaling big time
>> now.
>> >
>> > Tell me, WHY do you feel "insulted", as you call it? An insult can
>> > only touch you if there is ANY thing in you which responds to it.
>>
>> Having to prove, twice, that I bought something is insulting.
>
> Product activation does not check to see if YOU bought the license,
> they only check to see if the KEY is valid, since they have no
> personal information about you, unless you actually REGISTER the
> software after installing it. They don't care whether YOU bought the
> license or not. They only care that the key is valid. I don't even
> think that they have a record of which key was generated by the
> manufacturer for each copy of XP. They MAY have a record, though. I
> just don't know. If they did, it would make it really easy to check a
> license's validity. Just check each key against that list of valid
> keys.
Having to prove, twice, that I bought something is insulting.
>
> However, you know, and I know that MANY copies of XP have been
> casually copied, and distributed, either by real pirates, or your
> neighbor (this is an example: I am not specifically referring to YOUR
> neighbor here, since only God knows whether your actual neighbor
> casually copied Windows 9x or XP), because Windows 9x users did it a
> LOT. As long as it contains characters with correct numerical order
> and type, it is considered legitimate. Microsoft RIGHTLY assumed when
> XP was released, that people were going to try to casually copy it
> like they did with 9x. THOSE people made Product Activation
> necessary, not Microsoft.
There aren't any statistics to show which was pirated more, 9x or XP. There
ARE statistics that MS became filthy rich with 9x.
>
>> >
>> > For instance, I do not feel insulted that you have called me a "Moron"
>> > publically several times in this newsgroup, because I know I am not a
>> > moron.
>>
>> I should have rephrased that. You were and are acting like a moron. I
>> don't
>> know you well enough to know if you always act like that.
>
> How does a moron act? What are the symptoms of moronic behavior
> patterns? Are you a mental health professional? Are you a
> sociologist? Are you a Psychiatric Social Worker? Are you a
> specialist in abnormal psychology? What are your degrees? Where did
> you go to school? What schools did you attend? What is your true
> name, address, and phone number, so I can check them out.
You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows. If you want
the definition of "moron", look it up in the dictionary. My personal
information is none of your business.
>
> Until you can prove to me that you are qualified to make such
> judgments, I will continue to reject such attempted insults.
Wow, as if I care.
>
>>
>> > Now, when I was younger, I would have felt insulted, because I
>> > was puffed up with pride, like most younger adults and some older
>> > ones, too. I do admit that I still struggle with pride from time to
>> > time. After all, I am still a little immature myself. I certainly
>> > don't claim to being God or a wise man.
>>
>> Good thing.
>> >
>> > There is no room or need for pride in the heart of a mature person.
>> >
>> > Donald L McDaniel
>>
>> Really? Gosh, I always thought one should be proud of a number of things
>> like a job well done, caring for your customers and not driving them
>> crazy
>> with having to prove they're not thieves twice after paying for a product
>> but what the hell do I know, I don't believe in a god and I think that
>> Jesus
>> of Nazarath had a slew of kids with Magdalena and retired to the Kashmir.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Cody, there is a BIG difference between being "puffed up with pride"
> and being proud of your accomplishments, as long as you report that
> God helped you perform them, and are truly humble about your
> accomplishments.
God doesn't exist.
> The other kind of pride (false pride) originates
> with Satan, who thought that he could rise up to take God's Place on
> His Throne, or beside Him, thinking he was equal with God.
Satan doesn't exist.
>
> If you think within yourself tthat you are GREATER or BETTER than
> anyone else, you are puffed up with false pride. This is what I mean
> by "puffed up with pride".
Well, whoopy de doo. Are you puffed up with pride about it?
>
> By the way, did you know that the Bible (God's Book) tells us that
> only a fool believes there is no God.
Only fools believe in something that doesn't exist.
>
> Are you a fool, Cody?
No, you are. I suppose you also believe in the fairy that exchanges money
for body parts.
Alias
>
> Donald L McDaniel
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