Your Experience with Windows 10

[vesp3r]

I got Win 10 on my office computer, windows 8.1 on my personal laptop, windows 7 on work laptop and windos xp on my old desktop... Comparing them for some time and i dont see much changed things. I dont struggle at all learning any of those OS but for some reason i just dislike win10. I was hardcore win7 supporter when 8 came out, then the 8.1 tempted me into try it and i quickly got used to its features and stayed on it... i cant say the same for windows 10 however. Its true i had alot of issues when i first upgraded to 10 but i doubt that set my mind as i had issues with 8.1 upgrade too. Who knows, maybe when they release SP and few more updates i might actually like it, but for now there are only 2 things i like about it - Edge and dx12

Are they coding any games to DX12 yet? I mean I game a lot so I do feel kind of stuck to going to Win10 at some point, but I'm not sure how useful it is right now. I don't think I'll ever go for another browser, I'm too attached to Google Chrome.

I think they are yet to start announcing titles that will support that. Atleast i havent heared of such games, but then again i got rly narrow circle of games (Mass Effect series, Dragon Age series, CoD series and Civilization)

 

[jimmysmitty]

I got Win 10 on my office computer, windows 8.1 on my personal laptop, windows 7 on work laptop and windos xp on my old desktop... Comparing them for some time and i dont see much changed things. I dont struggle at all learning any of those OS but for some reason i just dislike win10. I was hardcore win7 supporter when 8 came out, then the 8.1 tempted me into try it and i quickly got used to its features and stayed on it... i cant say the same for windows 10 however. Its true i had alot of issues when i first upgraded to 10 but i doubt that set my mind as i had issues with 8.1 upgrade too. Who knows, maybe when they release SP and few more updates i might actually like it, but for now there are only 2 things i like about it - Edge and dx12

Are they coding any games to DX12 yet? I mean I game a lot so I do feel kind of stuck to going to Win10 at some point, but I'm not sure how useful it is right now. I don't think I'll ever go for another browser, I'm too attached to Google Chrome.

Chrome tracks too much for my liking.

DX12 will start coming but it will take time. When it does though it will be nice to see what developers are able to do with it. I would say by next year we will see DX12 support start coming more frequently.

 

[genej101]

Despite your suspicions, I stuck it out with Windows 10 for a full 2 weeks. I suppose it's because I'm a keyboard surfer, and I use shortcuts a dime a dozen, but a lot of them change in 10 for the new aspects of it. I saw that whole Settings thing there too, but isn't that redundant to have on a desktop system? As for background services, I dunno what does what, but I'm not taking any chances, and I don't believe that Cortana can be permanently shut down, they had a privacy debate about that one. I suppose the reason why it all runs slow is because I'm running it on an A10-7870K, but we'll see.

I'm still running Win10 after two full months. On a desktop. I still do most of "stuff" on a desktop, some on my iPhone. I absolutely refuse to use Cortana, though Siri is a joke. Cortana insists I sign in with a Microsoft account and then tells Microsoft everything I do including probably how often I breathe. That is just WAY to big brother for me and I'm a 60 something who still doesn't trust anyone over 30. :^). I only used Edge to download Firefox, Pale Moon and Chrome, and I only use Chrome if I'm doing something on YouTube. I just don't want my every keystroke tracked and reported to the mother ship because I don't trust corporations to do business honestly with me, they have proven time and again that they can't and won't. Data breaches are the tip of the ice berg imo. So browse in private mode mostly, do some business online, email either online or from my iPhone, though I am increasingly using the iPhone for other things when companies finally get an app that WORKS, it is amazing to me how many companies out there have completely unusable garbage as their public face app. I like Win10 but that is because I am using it very much like I used Win 7 and have disabled most of the phone-home features.

 

[USAFRet]

I'm still running Win10 after two full months. On a desktop. I still do most of "stuff" on a desktop, some on my iPhone. I absolutely refuse to use Cortana, though Siri is a joke. Cortana insists I sign in with a Microsoft account and then tells Microsoft everything I do including probably how often I breathe. That is just WAY to big brother for me and I'm a 60 something who still doesn't trust anyone over 30. :^). I only used Edge to download Firefox, Pale Moon and Chrome, and I only use Chrome if I'm doing something on YouTube. I just don't want my every keystroke tracked and reported to the mother ship because I don't trust corporations to do business honestly with me, they have proven time and again that they can't and won't. Data breaches are the tip of the ice berg imo. So browse in private mode mostly, do some business online, email either online or from my iPhone, though I am increasingly using the iPhone for other things when companies finally get an app that WORKS, it is amazing to me how many companies out there have completely unusable garbage as their public face app. I like Win10 but that is because I am using it very much like I used Win 7 and have disabled most of the phone-home features.

If you think Apple is any less 'Big Brotherish' than Google or Microsoft....you are quite mistaken.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I'm still running Win10 after two full months. On a desktop. I still do most of "stuff" on a desktop, some on my iPhone. I absolutely refuse to use Cortana, though Siri is a joke. Cortana insists I sign in with a Microsoft account and then tells Microsoft everything I do including probably how often I breathe. That is just WAY to big brother for me and I'm a 60 something who still doesn't trust anyone over 30. :^). I only used Edge to download Firefox, Pale Moon and Chrome, and I only use Chrome if I'm doing something on YouTube. I just don't want my every keystroke tracked and reported to the mother ship because I don't trust corporations to do business honestly with me, they have proven time and again that they can't and won't. Data breaches are the tip of the ice berg imo. So browse in private mode mostly, do some business online, email either online or from my iPhone, though I am increasingly using the iPhone for other things when companies finally get an app that WORKS, it is amazing to me how many companies out there have completely unusable garbage as their public face app. I like Win10 but that is because I am using it very much like I used Win 7 and have disabled most of the phone-home features.

If you think Apple is any less 'Big Brotherish' than Google or Microsoft....you are quite mistaken.

Pretty much true.

People need to get off the "Windows is watching me sleep" tin foil hat stuff. It is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

Honestly Microsoft could care less about the majority of people. In fact using a local account turns off most of that stuff anyways since the majority of it has to do with the Apps and Microsoft Store.

Cortana is the new search so when you turn her off "she" is still running because she performs the search functions anyways on your local PC.

Don't worry though, she isn't planning on poisoning your drink just yet. She needs a few years so she can kill everyone at once.

 

[LetsPlayThisBro]

I'm still running Win10 after two full months. On a desktop. I still do most of "stuff" on a desktop, some on my iPhone. I absolutely refuse to use Cortana, though Siri is a joke. Cortana insists I sign in with a Microsoft account and then tells Microsoft everything I do including probably how often I breathe. That is just WAY to big brother for me and I'm a 60 something who still doesn't trust anyone over 30. :^). I only used Edge to download Firefox, Pale Moon and Chrome, and I only use Chrome if I'm doing something on YouTube. I just don't want my every keystroke tracked and reported to the mother ship because I don't trust corporations to do business honestly with me, they have proven time and again that they can't and won't. Data breaches are the tip of the ice berg imo. So browse in private mode mostly, do some business online, email either online or from my iPhone, though I am increasingly using the iPhone for other things when companies finally get an app that WORKS, it is amazing to me how many companies out there have completely unusable garbage as their public face app. I like Win10 but that is because I am using it very much like I used Win 7 and have disabled most of the phone-home features.

If you think Apple is any less 'Big Brotherish' than Google or Microsoft....you are quite mistaken.

Pretty much true.

People need to get off the "Windows is watching me sleep" tin foil hat stuff. It is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

Honestly Microsoft could care less about the majority of people. In fact using a local account turns off most of that stuff anyways since the majority of it has to do with the Apps and Microsoft Store.

Cortana is the new search so when you turn her off "she" is still running because she performs the search functions anyways on your local PC.

Don't worry though, she isn't planning on poisoning your drink just yet. She needs a few years so she can kill everyone at once.

There are ways to disengage a lot of that stuff. I have no intent on using Cortana, it doesn't appeal to me on other platforms they're trying to copy. And as far as the google+ stuff, at some point we just have to say screw it or get a computer from 1999 with no modem and do all your "computing" on that. It's just the nature of the world we're living in that they are snooping on us.

Anything you don't want in other people's hands put on a thumbdrive or external hard drive, not the cloud. Although I do wish all cloud storage were 256bit encrypted, but that's another story.

It comes down to, what are you willing to give up in the way of privacy for convince? When my hard drive ate it last week and my backups proved futile, I thought I'd have to remember every password to everything that I currently let Chrome remember for me. Come to find out that once I installed Chrome and logged into my Google account, boom, all that information was still there, for the most part, my bank and a couple credit cards were a bit difficult, but to log into Tomshardware, I really have no problem with it remembering my username and password for it and a slew of other sites. I'm not rich enough to make my bank information worth stealing in the first place, but I still like to keep my passwords for banking/credit cards/electric company etc... changing.

But if I'm gonna be hacked the hack will likely record all keystrokes so there is really only so much anyone can do anyway. It's when people say, "I'm unhackable" it becomes a challenge for people to do so, lol. I don't invite such mayhem, I know any system is vulnerable, I do what I can, but if someone really wants to hack me, I'm quite sure it wouldn't be out of reach.

I hit the lottery tomorrow and I just simply would never use a computer for banking or finance at all, I'm too broke to be a juicy target. lol Poverty has it's benefits.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Windows has satisfied me since I can remember. I have never been dissatisfied with any Windows OS frankly, they all do what I need them to do.

 

[LetsPlayThisBro]

Windows has satisfied me since I can remember. I have never been dissatisfied with any Windows OS frankly, they all do what I need them to do.

Even Vista? lol I mean come on you have to admit there have been some missteps over the years, overall I've been pretty lucky. I went from Win95 to 98SE to XP to 7 to 8.1 and now I'm gonna go to 10 now that it looks like it's stable and not like Vista or Millennium or 8.... 8 under the hood was fine and good but the UI was an abortion.

And now that I think about it MS-DOS was pretty good too. I think the last edition of that I had was 5.0, since windows came out I just about completely forgot all my command line stuff. Ha.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I never used Vista much, my primary computer ran XP. But I did run Vista on another machine that I think got some viruses and got extremely slow and choppy. Not a complaint with the OS though, more my fault for going to a free TV episode website.

 

[LetsPlayThisBro]

I never used Vista much, my primary computer ran XP. But I did run Vista on another machine that I think got some viruses and got extremely slow and choppy. Not a complaint with the OS though, more my fault for going to a free TV episode website.

Yeah I'm careful about which sites I choose to do things on. Reminds me of when I worked at my university's "computer lab" before everyone had one of their own we had rooms just filled with computers. Pentium II processors as I remember it. But people didn't understand how to sign up for email and I would help them with that. Best story I have from that is this one girl wanted an email address not attached to the school, so she could use it even after she graduated, I told her go sign up at hotmail.com for a free account. She comes back because she had a huge pile of gay porn on her screen, this was before they had filters on what sites we could access, she spelled hotmail as hotmale. I still laugh out loud over that one.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I'm still running Win10 after two full months. On a desktop. I still do most of "stuff" on a desktop, some on my iPhone. I absolutely refuse to use Cortana, though Siri is a joke. Cortana insists I sign in with a Microsoft account and then tells Microsoft everything I do including probably how often I breathe. That is just WAY to big brother for me and I'm a 60 something who still doesn't trust anyone over 30. :^). I only used Edge to download Firefox, Pale Moon and Chrome, and I only use Chrome if I'm doing something on YouTube. I just don't want my every keystroke tracked and reported to the mother ship because I don't trust corporations to do business honestly with me, they have proven time and again that they can't and won't. Data breaches are the tip of the ice berg imo. So browse in private mode mostly, do some business online, email either online or from my iPhone, though I am increasingly using the iPhone for other things when companies finally get an app that WORKS, it is amazing to me how many companies out there have completely unusable garbage as their public face app. I like Win10 but that is because I am using it very much like I used Win 7 and have disabled most of the phone-home features.

If you think Apple is any less 'Big Brotherish' than Google or Microsoft....you are quite mistaken.

Pretty much true.

People need to get off the "Windows is watching me sleep" tin foil hat stuff. It is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

Honestly Microsoft could care less about the majority of people. In fact using a local account turns off most of that stuff anyways since the majority of it has to do with the Apps and Microsoft Store.

Cortana is the new search so when you turn her off "she" is still running because she performs the search functions anyways on your local PC.

Don't worry though, she isn't planning on poisoning your drink just yet. She needs a few years so she can kill everyone at once.

There are ways to disengage a lot of that stuff. I have no intent on using Cortana, it doesn't appeal to me on other platforms they're trying to copy. And as far as the google+ stuff, at some point we just have to say screw it or get a computer from 1999 with no modem and do all your "computing" on that. It's just the nature of the world we're living in that they are snooping on us.

Anything you don't want in other people's hands put on a thumbdrive or external hard drive, not the cloud. Although I do wish all cloud storage were 256bit encrypted, but that's another story.

It comes down to, what are you willing to give up in the way of privacy for convince? When my hard drive ate it last week and my backups proved futile, I thought I'd have to remember every password to everything that I currently let Chrome remember for me. Come to find out that once I installed Chrome and logged into my Google account, boom, all that information was still there, for the most part, my bank and a couple credit cards were a bit difficult, but to log into Tomshardware, I really have no problem with it remembering my username and password for it and a slew of other sites. I'm not rich enough to make my bank information worth stealing in the first place, but I still like to keep my passwords for banking/credit cards/electric company etc... changing.

But if I'm gonna be hacked the hack will likely record all keystrokes so there is really only so much anyone can do anyway. It's when people say, "I'm unhackable" it becomes a challenge for people to do so, lol. I don't invite such mayhem, I know any system is vulnerable, I do what I can, but if someone really wants to hack me, I'm quite sure it wouldn't be out of reach.

I hit the lottery tomorrow and I just simply would never use a computer for banking or finance at all, I'm too broke to be a juicy target. lol Poverty has it's benefits.

Cortana will be used. There is no longer a Windows Search service, Cortana is the Windows Search service. You might not use the advanced features but you will use the Cortana search.

BTW the UI for 8.1 was the same as 8. The difference was the ability to boot to desktop and turn of the hot corners. Other than that very little about the UI changed.

 

[genej101]

I'm still running Win10 after two full months. On a desktop. I still do most of "stuff" on a desktop, some on my iPhone. I absolutely refuse to use Cortana, though Siri is a joke. Cortana insists I sign in with a Microsoft account and then tells Microsoft everything I do including probably how often I breathe. That is just WAY to big brother for me and I'm a 60 something who still doesn't trust anyone over 30. :^). I only used Edge to download Firefox, Pale Moon and Chrome, and I only use Chrome if I'm doing something on YouTube. I just don't want my every keystroke tracked and reported to the mother ship because I don't trust corporations to do business honestly with me, they have proven time and again that they can't and won't. Data breaches are the tip of the ice berg imo. So browse in private mode mostly, do some business online, email either online or from my iPhone, though I am increasingly using the iPhone for other things when companies finally get an app that WORKS, it is amazing to me how many companies out there have completely unusable garbage as their public face app. I like Win10 but that is because I am using it very much like I used Win 7 and have disabled most of the phone-home features.

Cortana will be used. There is no longer a Windows Search service, Cortana is the Windows Search service. You might not use the advanced features but you will use the Cortana search.

BTW the UI for 8.1 was the same as 8. The difference was the ability to boot to desktop and turn of the hot corners. Other than that very little about the UI changed.

The only search I do on my machine or its external drives I do through Windows Explorer, Cortana is turned off on this machine, if some of its functionality is behind local disk searches, I don't care. Apple is no peach, pun intended, granted. But if it comes to trusting Apple or Android with some of my data, it will be Apple every time, for me. No viruses, no spam texts nor calls on the iPhone. My first smartphone was a Samsung and I didn't get out of the store with it before I got my first spam text on a number I'd had for 10 years on various flip phones. I just wish Apple would let Mr. Number into the app store as that was the single best Android app I ever used.

So, no, when I said corporations are evil, that included Apple, and it doesn't have to be strictly fiduciary though often it is. They are all about money, power and control; always have been, even if you go back 6000 years the wealthy were even less altruistic than they are today, of course corporations are people now too and have feelings as I see from some of the responses. But, I am not particularly concerned about corporate feelings. It took unions to get five day work weeks, no child labor, sick leave, vacations and any benefit that costs employers anything because the oligarchs do nothing for free, if they don't profit from it in someway, they don't do it, unless somehow made to. And as for care and safety, well, read the Rolling Stones article from a year ago about how the Koch family got so rich. As far as I'm concerned, that is the story behind every 1%er. Win 10 works fine for me, for what I use it for, I still don't like the force fed updates but not every windmill can be tilted at. Nor need it be. Use what works for you and leave the rest, seems good policy to me. Caveat Emptor is still the way of the world.

 

[LetsPlayThisBro]

I'm still running Win10 after two full months. On a desktop. I still do most of "stuff" on a desktop, some on my iPhone. I absolutely refuse to use Cortana, though Siri is a joke. Cortana insists I sign in with a Microsoft account and then tells Microsoft everything I do including probably how often I breathe. That is just WAY to big brother for me and I'm a 60 something who still doesn't trust anyone over 30. :^). I only used Edge to download Firefox, Pale Moon and Chrome, and I only use Chrome if I'm doing something on YouTube. I just don't want my every keystroke tracked and reported to the mother ship because I don't trust corporations to do business honestly with me, they have proven time and again that they can't and won't. Data breaches are the tip of the ice berg imo. So browse in private mode mostly, do some business online, email either online or from my iPhone, though I am increasingly using the iPhone for other things when companies finally get an app that WORKS, it is amazing to me how many companies out there have completely unusable garbage as their public face app. I like Win10 but that is because I am using it very much like I used Win 7 and have disabled most of the phone-home features.

If you think Apple is any less 'Big Brotherish' than Google or Microsoft....you are quite mistaken.

Pretty much true.

People need to get off the "Windows is watching me sleep" tin foil hat stuff. It is getting to the point of being ridiculous.

Honestly Microsoft could care less about the majority of people. In fact using a local account turns off most of that stuff anyways since the majority of it has to do with the Apps and Microsoft Store.

Cortana is the new search so when you turn her off "she" is still running because she performs the search functions anyways on your local PC.

Don't worry though, she isn't planning on poisoning your drink just yet. She needs a few years so she can kill everyone at once.

There are ways to disengage a lot of that stuff. I have no intent on using Cortana, it doesn't appeal to me on other platforms they're trying to copy. And as far as the google+ stuff, at some point we just have to say screw it or get a computer from 1999 with no modem and do all your "computing" on that. It's just the nature of the world we're living in that they are snooping on us.

Anything you don't want in other people's hands put on a thumbdrive or external hard drive, not the cloud. Although I do wish all cloud storage were 256bit encrypted, but that's another story.

It comes down to, what are you willing to give up in the way of privacy for convince? When my hard drive ate it last week and my backups proved futile, I thought I'd have to remember every password to everything that I currently let Chrome remember for me. Come to find out that once I installed Chrome and logged into my Google account, boom, all that information was still there, for the most part, my bank and a couple credit cards were a bit difficult, but to log into Tomshardware, I really have no problem with it remembering my username and password for it and a slew of other sites. I'm not rich enough to make my bank information worth stealing in the first place, but I still like to keep my passwords for banking/credit cards/electric company etc... changing.

But if I'm gonna be hacked the hack will likely record all keystrokes so there is really only so much anyone can do anyway. It's when people say, "I'm unhackable" it becomes a challenge for people to do so, lol. I don't invite such mayhem, I know any system is vulnerable, I do what I can, but if someone really wants to hack me, I'm quite sure it wouldn't be out of reach.

I hit the lottery tomorrow and I just simply would never use a computer for banking or finance at all, I'm too broke to be a juicy target. lol Poverty has it's benefits.

Cortana will be used. There is no longer a Windows Search service, Cortana is the Windows Search service. You might not use the advanced features but you will use the Cortana search.

BTW the UI for 8.1 was the same as 8. The difference was the ability to boot to desktop and turn of the hot corners. Other than that very little about the UI changed.

Well, 8.1 was more intuitive for me, doesn't matter why, 8 felt like a total disaster. Cortana is now Windows Search, does that mean any search we do in windows is being reported to MS so they know what we're looking for? Odd, I don't really use windows search too often anyway, just to pull up cmd or something like that. *shrug* I don't know what information they'll glean from that kind of stuff.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Well, 8.1 was more intuitive for me, doesn't matter why, 8 felt like a total disaster. Cortana is now Windows Search, does that mean any search we do in windows is being reported to MS so they know what we're looking for? Odd, I don't really use windows search too often anyway, just to pull up cmd or something like that. *shrug* I don't know what information they'll glean from that kind of stuff.

No it means that Cortana is the search service. When you turn of the "Get to know me" features and the Cortana assistant it turns off sending any information.

It is not about you or I, it is about the normal people who do use the search function on their phones and other devices. Most people use whatever built in phone search that is on it to find what they need be it online or in the play app store. That is where they get information on trends.

Of course the more paranoid think they are but I doubt it.

 

[nukemaster]

has anyone ever proved that everything you type is sent to MS. They know you have used search, I have seen no proof that what you type is sent.

When testing on insider, i see a small packet when a search is started but nothing as I keep typing. This is with all the online features off. Clearly if you have web/app store search on information has to be sent to perform these searches.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I never used Vista much, my primary computer ran XP. But I did run Vista on another machine that I think got some viruses and got extremely slow and choppy. Not a complaint with the OS though, more my fault for going to a free TV episode website.

Yeah I'm careful about which sites I choose to do things on. Reminds me of when I worked at my university's "computer lab" before everyone had one of their own we had rooms just filled with computers. Pentium II processors as I remember it. But people didn't understand how to sign up for email and I would help them with that. Best story I have from that is this one girl wanted an email address not attached to the school, so she could use it even after she graduated, I told her go sign up at hotmail.com for a free account. She comes back because she had a huge pile of gay porn on her screen, this was before they had filters on what sites we could access, she spelled hotmail as hotmale. I still laugh out loud over that one.

I think viruses are a lot less common from websites these days considering the much wider range of operating systems people are on with phones and tablets, as well as the decline in any form of Adobe Flash and Java from websites.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

has anyone ever proved that everything you type is sent to MS. They know you have used search, I have seen no proof that what you type is sent.

When testing on insider, i see a small packet when a search is started but nothing as I keep typing. This is with all the online features off. Clearly if you have web/app store search on information has to be sent to perform these searches.

Yeah I guess you could analyze every packet of data sent out from your router. If one of them has a Microsoft destination IP, or some IP you are unfamiliar with, then it could be reasoned. If there is no data being sent except to the websites you are on, then I don't see how they are tracking it all.

 

[jimmysmitty]

has anyone ever proved that everything you type is sent to MS. They know you have used search, I have seen no proof that what you type is sent.

When testing on insider, i see a small packet when a search is started but nothing as I keep typing. This is with all the online features off. Clearly if you have web/app store search on information has to be sent to perform these searches.

Yeah I guess you could analyze every packet of data sent out from your router. If one of them has a Microsoft destination IP, or some IP you are unfamiliar with, then it could be reasoned. If there is no data being sent except to the websites you are on, then I don't see how they are tracking it all.

Windows 10 now automatically sends diagnostic data, basic information such as the error code or crash code etc, so it could be that or it could be anything.

I highly doubt Microsoft is recording a persons every movement, there is no reason for it nor would there be enough storage to store that much information. Windows 10 already has 110 million devices. The more than add in the more storage that is needed, especially with some people who are on their system all day.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I don't believe it either. For one thing, if you are disconnected from the Internet they obviously cannot record it, unless it is stored locally and sent the next time a connection is established.

 

[nukemaster]

I never believed they took the kinds of data users claimed.

Hell the "logger" that users call a key logger is used to reproduce problems. It only runs when you turn it on.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

The entire "every company is tracking everything about you scandal" panic has gone far too far in my opinion.

 

[gangrel]

I think viruses are a lot less common from websites these days considering the much wider range of operating systems people are on with phones and tablets, as well as the decline in any form of Adobe Flash and Java from websites.

Perhaps because Flash is being killed off. But, it's still in ad streams. BitDefender gives me pop-ups; the last site to trigger it, was Forbes.com...in the ad streams. Before that, I believe...it was Tom's.

Plus, I don't think the OS distinction means much at all. Browsers tell web sites: mobile platform, or desktop platform? That's how you get the mobile versions of the web sites. That's also got to adjust the ad stream sent to the device. One can, I think, reasonably presume that the malware creators can figure out which ad streams to infect with which malware. Second point: it's probably true that the attacks are coming from completely separate camps...because it's not enough to build the initial infection. You have to take advantage down the line. So, generally, I'd think we're talking parallel groups, and no reason to think there won't be rather a lot of *both*.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

My point is that viruses need to be developed for more than simply Windows anymore, though most are still for Windows.

 

[nukemaster]

Viruses will always be designed for maximum spread.

Even with flash being dead, they will just target the browser it self.

Nothing could do what flash did in its day. Some stuff is still better on flash and some users have had complaints of HTML5 video skipping and stuttering(most likely because it is newer still).

 

[jimmysmitty]

Viruses will always be designed for maximum spread.

Even with flash being dead, they will just target the browser it self.

Nothing could do what flash did in its day. Some stuff is still better on flash and some users have had complaints of HTML5 video skipping and stuttering(most likely because it is newer still).

I like HTML5 over Flash (I have had smoother experiences with it and it loads faster than Flash) but I think the issues stem from sites not using the proper codec or people not have support for the proper codec.

One thing Flash does great is animations. I used toi love watching the random flash animations people made.