Your Experience with Windows 10

[ToineF]

For those who think windows 10 is ugly:
I used to think windows 10 was ugly when I upgraded from windows 7, but guess what? I adapted to the new UI. Now to me, windows 7 looks like crap. Use windows 10 solid for 1 month. Trust me, you'll start liking it.
Also, most of the time you're using software, so this shouldn't make a difference.

And you can always do this:
http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/make-windows-10-like-windows-7

I have been using windows 10 ever since it got out and it still looks ugly.
- The notification 'square' is butt ugly.
- The fonts on windows are still pixelated.
- The big top bar window is pretty much a joke and looks like a 5 year old designed it.
- the settings area is big, ugly and has no sense of design what so ever!

and I could go on and on....

It really feels like a high school student designed windows 10 and didn't have enough time to finish it.

Microsoft should hire some great designers in the future to update this archaic design. They need a WOW factor to bring back some users to their platform.

And btw... I never really found windows 7 much better with the aqua/glass design.

 

[Rafael Mestdag]

For those who think windows 10 is ugly:
I used to think windows 10 was ugly when I upgraded from windows 7, but guess what? I adapted to the new UI. Now to me, windows 7 looks like crap. Use windows 10 solid for 1 month. Trust me, you'll start liking it.
Also, most of the time you're using software, so this shouldn't make a difference.

And you can always do this:
http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/make-windows-10-like-windows-7

Up until not that long ago, I used to think Windows 10 was a few steps down if compared to Windows 7 when it comes to looks. Now I`m starting to feel just like you, the looks of Win 10 don't bother me anymore, in fact I like it better than 7 now. I'm more focused on its fluidity, it's functionality, the fact that it's a lot more practical and easy to use than 7.

I love for instance, the updating method, with its automated style which makes for one less worry in my opinion. All this is to me, now, a lot more important than its looks, which is secondary to the functionality.

 

[ToineF]

All this is to me, now, a lot more important than its looks, which is secondary to the functionality.

Of course, and basically that is why I use windows, but in this day and age, you have to start making stuff nice and appealing if they want to bring back people to their platform. How many people I have met told me that they prefer using their ipads or using their android phone to do most of their computing work..... It makes a lot of sense when windows is fat and ugly!

 

[USAFRet]

All this is to me, now, a lot more important than its looks, which is secondary to the functionality.

Of course, and basically that is why I use windows, but in this day and age, you have to start making stuff nice and appealing if they want to bring back people to their platform. How many people I have met told me that they prefer using their ipads or using their android phone to do most of their computing work..... It makes a lot of sense when windows is fat and ugly!

I'd expect that to be more an issue of portability rather than looks.

 

[ToineF]

All this is to me, now, a lot more important than its looks, which is secondary to the functionality.

Of course, and basically that is why I use windows, but in this day and age, you have to start making stuff nice and appealing if they want to bring back people to their platform. How many people I have met told me that they prefer using their ipads or using their android phone to do most of their computing work..... It makes a lot of sense when windows is fat and ugly!

I'd expect that to be more an issue of portability rather than looks.

Well, I challenge you to find people that prefer the windows OS mobile platform to android and ios (design wise). no wonder microsoft cant sell any mobile devices! Seriously... everyone that I know that used it said they prefer Android or iOS

 

[USAFRet]

Well, I challenge you to find people that prefer the windows OS mobile platform to android and ios (design wise). no wonder microsoft cant sell any mobile devices! Seriously... everyone that I know that used it said they prefer Android or iOS

I challenge you to find people who care that much about the OS.
People use an iPad, because it is an iPad.
People use an android phone, because that's what is on their phone.

My ex-wife uses her iPad almost exclusively. Not because it is prettier than her laptop with Win 8.1 or 10, but because it is 1. Portable, and 2. Free from her job.

I use an Asus Transformer(windows 10) when I am out and about, because hauling my desktop around would be a bit of a pain.
Or my Asus Memo (android), as a kitchen recipe book, or travel device. Why? Because it is small.

 

[Guest]

I focus more on the functionality and what is going on under the interface. We can't justify people based on how they look.
I'm using both iPhone and iPad because it's portable (plus the brand).

What music player are you all using? I'm still using Windows Media Player as it's familiar and easy to use for me.
- Going to the folder where there are music files, I can click on "Play all", and WMP will play all of them. I tried Groove Music (the new app recommended by Win 10), but it only showed the program window and did nothing (assuming it stuck).
- I can play a few songs first, and then can add other songs by simply choosing "Add to Windows Media Player list". I can't do that with Groove Music.
All of these can be done via File Explorer. I don't know why MS wants to get rid of it. MS said WMP wouldn't be installed on Win 10, but it was apparently still there after the installation.

 

[nukemaster]

You know once you open your app of choice the OS does not show up on mobile right? Since most users had computers for internet browsing, almost any phone/tablet does this fairly well. I know people who used to be on the computer often who now touch it ONLY for work(so just about everything else is done on mobile/tablet now).

Windows is failing in mobile because.

1. They waited WAY to long to make a serious entry.
2. They may be arguably slower(maybe more memory hogging)
3. Very few popular apps are on Windows phone. They have lots of junk apps too(not saying others do not too, but with so little first party apps the junk apps fill the store)

Today, Apps(even if half of them are glorified websites) drive sales of devices.

This is WHY Microsoft has the UWP platform. They are tying to get more cross platform apps(Mobile and Windows 10 on desktop/laptop/tablets) so they can play catch-up.

It is also important to know MS settled on the square flat design(Windows 8 design phase. At this point MS was loosing sales left and right to tablets) when Apple starting to sue companies for its new invention, the rounded corner. Keeping it ensures more backwards compatibility with Windows 8/8.1 programs.

If you look around, flat and non shaded has become pretty popular all around the web as well. Do I like it? Nah. It is not like a desktop does not have the power to do more(but this is about cross platform). Does it effect me once my programs of choice are started? Nope.

Edit.

All of these can be done via File Explorer. I don't know why MS wants to get rid of it. MS said WMP wouldn't be installed on Win 10, but it was apparently still there after the installation.

Microsoft said Windows Media Center(WMC) and Mpeg2(for DVD and other mpeg2 playback) would not ship with 10 and they do not.

I still use Winamp

 

[jimmysmitty]

All this is to me, now, a lot more important than its looks, which is secondary to the functionality.

Of course, and basically that is why I use windows, but in this day and age, you have to start making stuff nice and appealing if they want to bring back people to their platform. How many people I have met told me that they prefer using their ipads or using their android phone to do most of their computing work..... It makes a lot of sense when windows is fat and ugly!

I'd expect that to be more an issue of portability rather than looks.

Well, I challenge you to find people that prefer the windows OS mobile platform to android and ios (design wise). no wonder microsoft cant sell any mobile devices! Seriously... everyone that I know that used it said they prefer Android or iOS

My wife is one. In fact she likes how fluid Windows Phone is after about two years of use while Android gets slow after about a year. Hell my work Galaxy S5 was being slow as hell before I upgraded it.

There are a lot of people who like Windows Mobile, the issue is not the design. It is the lack of apps available compared to Android or iOS. In fact Android suffered the same issue originally, it didn;t have the same apps as iPhone AND if it did they would usually come well after iPhone had them. Now that Android gets most apps at the same time as iOS, Androids market share has expanded since there is more choice.

I think if Microsoft can pull off the apps like they are planning their market share will expand. If Verizon was not stupid right now I would probably have a Lumia 950XL.

 

[Guest]

Microsoft said Windows Media Center(WMC) and Mpeg2(for DVD and other mpeg2 playback) would not ship with 10 and they do not.
I still use Winamp

Oh, WMC, not WMP. I may misread it somewhere. I still have WMP after clean install Windows 10, and it works normally like before.

 

[nukemaster]

Microsoft said Windows Media Center(WMC) and Mpeg2(for DVD and other mpeg2 playback) would not ship with 10 and they do not.
I still use Winamp

Oh, WMC, not WMP. I may misread it somewhere. I still have WMP after clean install Windows 10, and it works normally like before.

It better since groove and the video player are not a replacement for it. They can not even rip a CD.

My only real issue with groove is that it does some strange things when your music is on a network share. It works for the most part(I think it was bugging out and re-scanning often, I would have to check). Cortana(a selling point of the OS. Kind of gimmicky, but I had to try it) will NOT play songs over the network.

 

[ToineF]

My wife is one. In fact she likes how fluid Windows Phone is after about two years of use while Android gets slow after about a year. Hell my work Galaxy S5 was being slow as hell before I upgraded it.

I am not talking about performances here. I am talking strictly about design. The pure android out of the nexus and the iOS design are way superior to windows 10 mobile.

I had a lumia and couldnt wait to get ride of it. The design and interface felt cheap, rushed and amateurish

At least they fixed the pixelated fonts on windows mobile... ill give them that.

 

[ToineF]

Btw if it wasn't for the WOW factor the iphone first got, the mobile industry wouldn't be where it is now.
The proof is that microsoft tried before and they couldn't get it out there.

If they want windows 10 out there they will need a spark otherwise, they will fall a lot more.

 

[Lee-m]

If they had called it the 'Xbox' phone instead of 'Windows' phone, it would have been far more popular.

Most people that use it, like it. I do. Just not enough people do, since the advertising, placement and app support are poor. There isnt anything wrong with the OS its self.

 

[jimmysmitty]

My wife is one. In fact she likes how fluid Windows Phone is after about two years of use while Android gets slow after about a year. Hell my work Galaxy S5 was being slow as hell before I upgraded it.

I am not talking about performances here. I am talking strictly about design. The pure android out of the nexus and the iOS design are way superior to windows 10 mobile.

I had a lumia and couldnt wait to get ride of it. The design and interface felt cheap, rushed and amateurish

At least they fixed the pixelated fonts on windows mobile... ill give them that.

That part I bolded right there is something called an opinion. You asked me to find someone, my wife like Windows Phone better than Android she just dislikes the lack of apps. The performance is a bonus to it and I was mentioning it because performance is also important, not just looks.

I could make the best looking car in the world but if it is slow and under performs, who would buy it?

BTW the interface on Windows Phone is like iOS, it is all the same unlike Anrdoid that can be customized by the hardware developer.

Btw if it wasn't for the WOW factor the iphone first got, the mobile industry wouldn't be where it is now.
The proof is that microsoft tried before and they couldn't get it out there.

If they want windows 10 out there they will need a spark otherwise, they will fall a lot more.

It was the marketing more than the "WOW" factor. Look at the iPod. There were superior MP3 devices at the time. In fact Creative not only had MP3 players well before Apple did they also had a GUI based interface for MP3 players before Apple did, sued them, won and the licensed the rights to use it to Apple.

The problem? Creative didn't have the same marketing team with the flashy adds and cool, hip colors and people dancing. Marketing sells.

Think of it this way. Go ask people, normal people not tech savvy people, if they know who AMD is. Then if they know who Intel is. Most people know Intel and also most have seen a Intel commercial and heard the Intel jingle. Most do not know who AMD is because AMD does not market nearly as much.

Look to each their own. If Microsoft can get applications going on Windows Phone I know plenty of people who would move to it.

 

[ToineF]

If they had called it the 'Xbox' phone instead of 'Windows' phone, it would have been far more popular.

Most people that use it, like it. I do. Just not enough people do, since the advertising, placement and app support are poor. There isnt anything wrong with the OS its self.

it was called Windows Mobile 6.5 and that was before the iphone and no one couldn't care less because they didn't have the wow factor.

 

[ToineF]

My wife is one. In fact she likes how fluid Windows Phone is after about two years of use while Android gets slow after about a year. Hell my work Galaxy S5 was being slow as hell before I upgraded it.

I am not talking about performances here. I am talking strictly about design. The pure android out of the nexus and the iOS design are way superior to windows 10 mobile.

I had a lumia and couldnt wait to get ride of it. The design and interface felt cheap, rushed and amateurish

At least they fixed the pixelated fonts on windows mobile... ill give them that.

That part I bolded right there is something called an opinion. You asked me to find someone, my wife like Windows Phone better than Android she just dislikes the lack of apps. The performance is a bonus to it and I was mentioning it because performance is also important, not just looks.

I could make the best looking car in the world but if it is slow and under performs, who would buy it?

BTW the interface on Windows Phone is like iOS, it is all the same unlike Anrdoid that can be customized by the hardware developer.

Btw if it wasn't for the WOW factor the iphone first got, the mobile industry wouldn't be where it is now.
The proof is that microsoft tried before and they couldn't get it out there.

If they want windows 10 out there they will need a spark otherwise, they will fall a lot more.

It was the marketing more than the "WOW" factor. Look at the iPod. There were superior MP3 devices at the time. In fact Creative not only had MP3 players well before Apple did they also had a GUI based interface for MP3 players before Apple did, sued them, won and the licensed the rights to use it to Apple.

The problem? Creative didn't have the same marketing team with the flashy adds and cool, hip colors and people dancing. Marketing sells.

Think of it this way. Go ask people, normal people not tech savvy people, if they know who AMD is. Then if they know who Intel is. Most people know Intel and also most have seen a Intel commercial and heard the Intel jingle. Most do not know who AMD is because AMD does not market nearly as much.

Look to each their own. If Microsoft can get applications going on Windows Phone I know plenty of people who would move to it.

like you said people can't make the difference between intel and AMD.... normal people at the store don't know that windows phone is lacking in apps. At the store they take the prettiest at the best value possible. Nokia had some great designs and thats why they could sell a little bit more devices. Now that microsoft bought them, they sell has been going down. what a surprise lol.

Apple did have a great marketing campaign, but they did have a great product. That's the WOW factor microsoft needs desperately. I remember microsoft when they released windows 8... they had one of their most expensive campaign ever. Even after 1.5billion dollars spent on marketing people didn't drink their koolaid because they had a shitty product.

http://adage.com/article/digital/microsoft-prepping-1-5-billion-windows-8-marketing-campaign/237737/

 

[jimmysmitty]

My wife is one. In fact she likes how fluid Windows Phone is after about two years of use while Android gets slow after about a year. Hell my work Galaxy S5 was being slow as hell before I upgraded it.

I am not talking about performances here. I am talking strictly about design. The pure android out of the nexus and the iOS design are way superior to windows 10 mobile.

I had a lumia and couldnt wait to get ride of it. The design and interface felt cheap, rushed and amateurish

At least they fixed the pixelated fonts on windows mobile... ill give them that.

That part I bolded right there is something called an opinion. You asked me to find someone, my wife like Windows Phone better than Android she just dislikes the lack of apps. The performance is a bonus to it and I was mentioning it because performance is also important, not just looks.

I could make the best looking car in the world but if it is slow and under performs, who would buy it?

BTW the interface on Windows Phone is like iOS, it is all the same unlike Anrdoid that can be customized by the hardware developer.

Btw if it wasn't for the WOW factor the iphone first got, the mobile industry wouldn't be where it is now.
The proof is that microsoft tried before and they couldn't get it out there.

If they want windows 10 out there they will need a spark otherwise, they will fall a lot more.

It was the marketing more than the "WOW" factor. Look at the iPod. There were superior MP3 devices at the time. In fact Creative not only had MP3 players well before Apple did they also had a GUI based interface for MP3 players before Apple did, sued them, won and the licensed the rights to use it to Apple.

The problem? Creative didn't have the same marketing team with the flashy adds and cool, hip colors and people dancing. Marketing sells.

Think of it this way. Go ask people, normal people not tech savvy people, if they know who AMD is. Then if they know who Intel is. Most people know Intel and also most have seen a Intel commercial and heard the Intel jingle. Most do not know who AMD is because AMD does not market nearly as much.

Look to each their own. If Microsoft can get applications going on Windows Phone I know plenty of people who would move to it.

like you said people can't make the difference between intel and AMD.... normal people at the store don't know that windows phone is lacking in apps. At the store they take the prettiest at the best value possible. Nokia had some great designs and thats why they could sell a little bit more devices. Now that microsoft bought them, they sell has been going down. what a surprise lol.

Apple did have a great marketing campaign, but they did have a great product. That's the WOW factor microsoft needs desperately. I remember microsoft when they released windows 8... they had one of their expensive campaign ever. Even after 1.5billion dollars spent on marketing people didn't drink their koolaid because they had a shitty product.

http://adage.com/article/digital/microsoft-prepping-1-5-billion-windows-8-marketing-campaign/237737/

No I didn't say they couldn't tell the difference, rather that they don't know who AMD is but they do know who Intel is. Very different.

And Apple didn't have a great product. The iPod was prone to failure, the HDD would fail, and the iPhone first generation was only 2G (while others were on 3G), had slow performance and other issues. But they had the marketing with "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" and their name of quality from their PCs.

 

[ToineF]

My wife is one. In fact she likes how fluid Windows Phone is after about two years of use while Android gets slow after about a year. Hell my work Galaxy S5 was being slow as hell before I upgraded it.

I am not talking about performances here. I am talking strictly about design. The pure android out of the nexus and the iOS design are way superior to windows 10 mobile.

I had a lumia and couldnt wait to get ride of it. The design and interface felt cheap, rushed and amateurish

At least they fixed the pixelated fonts on windows mobile... ill give them that.

That part I bolded right there is something called an opinion. You asked me to find someone, my wife like Windows Phone better than Android she just dislikes the lack of apps. The performance is a bonus to it and I was mentioning it because performance is also important, not just looks.

I could make the best looking car in the world but if it is slow and under performs, who would buy it?

BTW the interface on Windows Phone is like iOS, it is all the same unlike Anrdoid that can be customized by the hardware developer.

Btw if it wasn't for the WOW factor the iphone first got, the mobile industry wouldn't be where it is now.
The proof is that microsoft tried before and they couldn't get it out there.

If they want windows 10 out there they will need a spark otherwise, they will fall a lot more.

It was the marketing more than the "WOW" factor. Look at the iPod. There were superior MP3 devices at the time. In fact Creative not only had MP3 players well before Apple did they also had a GUI based interface for MP3 players before Apple did, sued them, won and the licensed the rights to use it to Apple.

The problem? Creative didn't have the same marketing team with the flashy adds and cool, hip colors and people dancing. Marketing sells.

Think of it this way. Go ask people, normal people not tech savvy people, if they know who AMD is. Then if they know who Intel is. Most people know Intel and also most have seen a Intel commercial and heard the Intel jingle. Most do not know who AMD is because AMD does not market nearly as much.

Look to each their own. If Microsoft can get applications going on Windows Phone I know plenty of people who would move to it.

like you said people can't make the difference between intel and AMD.... normal people at the store don't know that windows phone is lacking in apps. At the store they take the prettiest at the best value possible. Nokia had some great designs and thats why they could sell a little bit more devices. Now that microsoft bought them, they sell has been going down. what a surprise lol.

Apple did have a great marketing campaign, but they did have a great product. That's the WOW factor microsoft needs desperately. I remember microsoft when they released windows 8... they had one of their expensive campaign ever. Even after 1.5billion dollars spent on marketing people didn't drink their koolaid because they had a shitty product.

http://adage.com/article/digital/microsoft-prepping-1-5-billion-windows-8-marketing-campaign/237737/

No I didn't say they couldn't tell the difference, rather that they don't know who AMD is but they do know who Intel is. Very different.

And Apple didn't have a great product. The iPod was prone to failure, the HDD would fail, and the iPhone first generation was only 2G (while others were on 3G), had slow performance and other issues. But they had the marketing with "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" and their name of quality from their PCs.

Exactly.... because apple had a WOW factor either because it looked good or because of the marketing campaign. People still wanted ipods even with the inferior hardware.
So you're actually supporting my point here that if microsoft wants to start selling more windows OS (or keep their users) they will have to start; either have a nice looking product or have a nice marketing campaign. But like I posted above, they tried the nice marketing campaign and failed miserably. I guess they should start designing nice products, no?

 

[USAFRet]

No, Windows 8 was hugely disliked because the interface was a major departure from the previous Windows 7. The whole Metro thing.
Not necessarily because it was 'bad', but rather because it was 'different'.

Much like XP was hugely disliked because it too was a major departure from the previous.


With the iPod, Apple had a huge marketing campaign. It wasn't necessarily 'better', but people were caused to think it was.
Now, they have inertia.
With the iPhone, not many would jump ship to Android or Windows, because of inertia. Easier to simply go to the next version of iShiny, rather than move to a whole new OS, and have to repurchase all their stuff, and learn a new way of doing things.
Their music is in iTunes (with all the hazards of that), their stuff gets backed up to the iCloud, it syncs with their iPad or laptop, blah, blah.
They are stuck in that ecosystem.

I have an android phone. Why? Because it was $25. $125, when you include a years access and minutes.
If, at the time I bought this, there was a WinPhone at the same price from the same provider, I might have gotten that.



But the bottom line of this whole conversation is....you think Windows 10 is 'ugly', and all MS needed to do was hire a few college kids in design school.
That is your opinion. Not everyone shares that opinion.

 

[Lee-m]

If they had called it the 'Xbox' phone instead of 'Windows' phone, it would have been far more popular.

Most people that use it, like it. I do. Just not enough people do, since the advertising, placement and app support are poor. There isnt anything wrong with the OS its self.

it was called Windows Mobile 6.5 and that was before the iphone and no one couldn't care less because they didn't have the wow factor.

So my point stands then.

And for the record, I also like Windows phone 10. It's great for work, and has far better microsoft network and 365 support than any other phone.

Just because something doesn't sell as many units does not make it bad. People just go were the software is. On desktop machines thats windows, on mobiles thats Android. The OS pretty much doesnt matter as long as it gets the job done.

 

[Rafael Mestdag]

My wife is one. In fact she likes how fluid Windows Phone is after about two years of use while Android gets slow after about a year. Hell my work Galaxy S5 was being slow as hell before I upgraded it.

I am not talking about performances here. I am talking strictly about design. The pure android out of the nexus and the iOS design are way superior to windows 10 mobile.

I had a lumia and couldnt wait to get ride of it. The design and interface felt cheap, rushed and amateurish

At least they fixed the pixelated fonts on windows mobile... ill give them that.

That part I bolded right there is something called an opinion. You asked me to find someone, my wife like Windows Phone better than Android she just dislikes the lack of apps. The performance is a bonus to it and I was mentioning it because performance is also important, not just looks.

I could make the best looking car in the world but if it is slow and under performs, who would buy it?

BTW the interface on Windows Phone is like iOS, it is all the same unlike Anrdoid that can be customized by the hardware developer.

Btw if it wasn't for the WOW factor the iphone first got, the mobile industry wouldn't be where it is now.
The proof is that microsoft tried before and they couldn't get it out there.

If they want windows 10 out there they will need a spark otherwise, they will fall a lot more.

It was the marketing more than the "WOW" factor. Look at the iPod. There were superior MP3 devices at the time. In fact Creative not only had MP3 players well before Apple did they also had a GUI based interface for MP3 players before Apple did, sued them, won and the licensed the rights to use it to Apple.

The problem? Creative didn't have the same marketing team with the flashy adds and cool, hip colors and people dancing. Marketing sells.

Think of it this way. Go ask people, normal people not tech savvy people, if they know who AMD is. Then if they know who Intel is. Most people know Intel and also most have seen a Intel commercial and heard the Intel jingle. Most do not know who AMD is because AMD does not market nearly as much.

Look to each their own. If Microsoft can get applications going on Windows Phone I know plenty of people who would move to it.

I've tried all three phone OS`s and the last one was Windows Phone, and I liked it. The performance was good, the most popular apps were there(whatsapp being the main one), I really liked the design as well. I guess people tend to stick to what they know that works instead of trying out new and unproven things.

 

[Colif]

i like android as I don't like icons... its basically that and fact I can make my desktops look however i like. More control to me, but I don't need root, I can change enough without having total control.

I wouldn't mind more colour choices on the windows 10 theme but i can live with it. its more than XP ever offered and by the end of its life span everyone loved xp, even if it only had 3 colours you could make taskbar. Changing desktop wallpaper every few weeks is enough for me.

If they forced me to use icons and not hide them completely, I would complain a little but I am old enough to remember a time before Windows so I appreciate what they have done with everything else that the UI might get a pass.

Actually, forcing me to use icons was win 8.1 so maybe if it had been same again, I may still be on win 7 today.

 

[ToineF]

"We want to move from people needing Windows, to choosing Windows, to loving Windows," said Nadella

Without the WOW factor I was talking about, Nadella will not achieve his goal.

Source of the quote:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/5/7984001/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-one-year-anniversary

 

[alth0triplemadang]

"ugly" is relative for me.

Who have familiarized (or still using it until now) with Win XP. will think if Win 7 is "ugly". It looks confusing and makes you got headache coz of the transparent window borders called "aero".

Who have familiarized with Win 7. will think if Win 8 is "ugly, weird". and maybe some of them asked for "where is the aero glass???", "where is the START menu", "why the icon looks blocky and flat" because of the new "Metro UI".

Same with Win 10. Win 7 and 8 users will surprised to see how "ugly" it is.

They need a "familiarization" from old computing era to the newer ones.
For me. Win 10 is BEAUTIFUL, I use it on my 2-in-1 notebook. And Win 7 is ROBUST, I use it on my home PC.
Not the 10, neither 7 ugly for me. Coz i familiar with both of them. Best of both worlds.