$4000 Budget Gaming Rig - Need Help

[Dahak]

A decent combo drive will suffice and as for the on board LAN that comes with the motherboard,it will do just fine.I use on board LAN,in fact there two network connections as well as a wireless connection on my board.I mean if you want to spend an extra 200 dollars for the high end network card with the lowest ping and fastest speeds,then do so.But honestly you don't need it.Goodluck.

 

[neoxblu1]

So should I do Intel C2E QX6850 or QX9650?

There are no current motherboards that support 45nm and SLI, I dont know if this is a real down side since I wont be using a huge monitor.

Guys know any good motherboards for SLI?

Guys know any good motherboards for 45nm?


Which would you get:

A: Intel C2E QX8650, 680i, SLI?

B: Intel C2E QX9650, X38, Single?

Over all which would have better performance?

With which system will I see better results in gaming?

Will there be noticable results with single compared to SLI on a 22" monitor?

Could some of you do some configerations for me?

 

[KyleSTL]

Samsung, Lite-On, and Plextor seem to have the best reputations. Choose one based on the options you want (SATA/PATA, Lightscribe, etc).

Built-in network is almost always sufficient. A PCI/PCIe network card would take a SLIGHT amount of load off of your CPU (especially a Killer NIC), but 99.99% of the time you'll never be able to tell the difference because network lag (ISP) will far outweigh the benefit of having a "high performance NIC".

Edit: Definitely go for the QX9650. Period. X38 and single GPU.

Most current monitors have a refresh of 60 hz (i.e. 60 FPS) to 85 hz. Any frames computed beyond that will not be displayed. Besides, even the best trained eye would have trouble telling 50 FPS from 60.

I would go for chookman's original configuration on Page 1.

 

[neoxblu1]

Samsung, Lite-On, and Plextor seem to have the best reputations. Choose one based on the options you want (SATA/PATA, Lightscribe, etc).

Built-in network is almost always sufficient. A PCI/PCIe network card would take a SLIGHT amount of load off of your CPU (especially a Killer NIC), but 99.99% of the time you'll never be able to tell the difference because network lag (ISP) will far outweigh the benefit of having a "high performance NIC".

Edit: Definitely go for the QX9650. Period. X38 and single GPU.

Most current monitors have a refresh of 60 hz (i.e. 60 FPS) to 85 hz. Any frames computed beyond that will not be displayed. Besides, even the best trained eye would have trouble telling 50 FPS from 60.

I would go for chookman's original configuration on Page 1.

Hmmm, I was wonder QX8650 with SLI, but what would you have in mind for a single video card?


Thanks, you were much help.

 

[neoxblu1]

Also I've heard the killer Nic is junk. This True? Cuz Iam very interested in it, also with Agiea physX

 

[runswindows95]

The biggest wastes of money out there:

The Killer NIC - no faster than a mobo's integrated LAN.
8800Ultra - is an extra 5fps worth $100?
Any Core2Extreme - Buy a Q6600, a good cooler, and overclock it to 3Ghz and save $700.
DDR3 - again, not worth the premium
SLI - Only helps when you're running a 30" monitor at 2560*1600. For a single 22", all you need is an 8800GT.

Overall, as many have said before, spend half of your $4,000 and save the rest. What is top of the line this year will be mid-range within a year. If you blow it all now you will regret it when someone builds a machine next year for $1,000 that outperforms your $4,000 system.

 

[Ironnads]

"First of all, you can stop telling him he should be spending it on other things," .... "I would put a lot of that money towards .. a big comfy chair.."

Nice and coherent..

Ryan

 

[neoxblu1]

Do I need to do any BIOS updates for QX9650? Or It works right out of the box?

 

[maverick7]

Fuc K some people just should not give help. So many noobs on these forums Yes i used the word noob. I see people giving the absolute worst advice screwing this guy over who doesnt really know what he is doing. Please only give good advice, and if you have never actually built a computer at all then please do not even respond. Right now the rig he has is a huge WASTE of money with parts he could get for way cheaper with probably better performance in the end. Whats with the 1200 watt powersupply?

Did anyone notice how this place fell apart around the time Jack left the forums? (fellow with the moving avatar of that guy from harry potter, something black)

 

[Achtungbaby]

With ur planned system from page 1..... couldnt bother to read all three pages ....go with at least a 24" screen or higher to take advantage of the graphics power..., goin lower is just a wast of time....I have a Benq241VW (its awesome) and an LG 1970HR and love them. But take advice from the old hands here at the forum and u cant go wrong.... highend never remains highend for long... so save now and upgrade more often in the future! Good Luck.

 

[jitpublisher]

Fuc K some people just should not give help. So many noobs on these forums Yes i used the word noob. I see people giving the absolute worst advice screwing this guy over who doesnt really know what he is doing. Please only give good advice, and if you have never actually built a computer at all then please do not even respond. Right now the rig he has is a huge WASTE of money with parts he could get for way cheaper with probably better performance in the end. Whats with the 1200 watt powersupply?

Did anyone notice how this place fell apart around the time Jack left the forums? (fellow with the moving avatar of that guy from harry potter, something black)

Good god I have to agree with you there. I have never seen so much off the wall completely useless and bad information posted as what I have read on these forums in the last few months.

 

[aBg_rOnGak]

Sirius Black (no Jack Black )....
Now that you mention JumpingJack..I wish he return and become a regular again, along with DaClan etc...

 

[Guest]

I spent $4K here in Japan 3 years ago for my build. People knock spending money but they don't appreciate that it might take ages to save and some of us love computers a heck of a lot. Doesn't mean we are all spoilt idiots giving people satisfaction to make jealous comments. Having said that - my build now is not good enough as far as High settings go on Crysis. So in 2008 I expect to be spending maybe the same amount again. I'll have to keep putting in the hours and saving as best I can. It isn't easy.

Because Crysis is setting or pushing standards and needs of graphic cards - I would not buy now (unless you want to upgrade again in 6 months / a year). I don't know what is coming but I expect the graphic card folks (manufacturers) are pretty focussed on their cards running Crysis at full settings. When they have such a card - or such an SLI setup - I'd look into getting that.

 

[neoxblu1]

I need more adive.


thnx

 

[Zorg]

 

[Zorg]

Fuc K some people just should not give help. So many noobs on these forums Yes i used the word noob. I see people giving the absolute worst advice screwing this guy over who doesnt really know what he is doing. Please only give good advice, and if you have never actually built a computer at all then please do not even respond. Right now the rig he has is a huge WASTE of money with parts he could get for way cheaper with probably better performance in the end. Whats with the 1200 watt powersupply?

Did anyone notice how this place fell apart around the time Jack left the forums? (fellow with the moving avatar of that guy from harry potter, something black)

Good god I have to agree with you there. I have never seen so much off the wall completely useless and bad information posted as what I have read on these forums in the last few months.

I have seen bogus posts on this forum and may others. That's why you need to take the posts that you get with a grain of salt and research the answers to determine their validity. Bogus posts do seem to have increased though.

This thread is a repost of an earlier thread. This OP is not ready to undertake this endeavor. This is a link to the other thread and my first two responses to him.

Building A High End System - Help Me Decide

I'll I can say is that you have lost your mind. You are spending as much money as you can, with no understanding of what you are buying and why. Based on the questions you are asking you need to cool your jets and learn a little something about what you are doing. You could easily save 500-1000 and get an almost equivalent system. But don't let me stop you from rushing your way through, go for the gusto.

First you have to decide what you are going to do with the machine. Then you need to take some time and read some articles to determine what is available today and is its value relative to cost. Next you need to find out what is coming up shortly, how much better it is, how much it costs relative to what is available now, and what is a realistic (or as realistic as you can get) date for it's release. As I said earlier, it may cost an extra 500-1000 for almost no gain in processing power. You have things in your wish list that will have no impact. The 1200Watt PSU is one example, the DDR3 is another, the NIC is a third, the exorbitant cost of the CPU that you won't be taking advantage of is another. Now if someone is throwing money at you that you have to spend or loose then start a thread with that as the subject and let the people here go wild. They will, after a little battling, get you the best bang for your buck. If you however can hold some mony over for new parts e.g., VGA then let them know. The problem is that your initial build is so far off the mark that any advice that you get just isn't enough. Let's try now, answer these questions:

1. Budget - $3,500.00 more? or is less important at all.
2. Use - Gaming only or ....
3. Cash - Use it or loose it? Or, you have some for near future upgrades to the CPU and VGA etc.
4. Do you need a monitor/display? What are you using now? If you have 3.5 - 4K to burn a nice display is a must.

 

[neoxblu1]

1. Budget is not a concern
2. Mostly gaming, watch movies, online activity, school activity
3. I will not be upgrading in the future, so I would like the best of everything now cuz I wont be making any changes.
4. I will not be getting any bigger than 22"


So what should I get zorg? I am really only interested in Extreme processers so thats staying on the list 100%. And I will only get Nvidia VGA cards. No less than 4GB ram. Fastest HD out. For a 10% increase of performace is well worth the money to me.

I've heard, well actually its on the EVGA website. That their motherboards support 45nm and QX9650. Except that you cannot overclock it yet. Since Iam not going to be overclocking does that mean I can get the EVGA mobo with QX9650, and SLI?

By Charles G (11/16/2007 11:59:10 PM): "Currently the board does support the 45nm chips but nor for overclocking at least thats what the P31 BIOS is for, we have had spotty sucess with it though, I would recommned to wait for a BIOS update, it is coming but I dont have a date for its release. Charles EVGA Tech Team."

 

[Can Not]

I am looking into technology of the future

Then you will wait for Intel's 45nm.

 

[neoxblu1]

Also does anyone know when the 780i motherboards will come out?

 

[neoxblu1]

I am looking into technology of the future

Then you will wait for Intel's 45nm.

Its already out: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650.

 

[Zorg]

It looks like your mind is made up. Party on Garth.

 

[saixangel]

No wonder the rest of the world hates us Americans.

 

[steveLEE]

why don't you just wait until you can crossfire 4 cards? lol.

 

[Zorg]

No wonder the rest of the world hates us Americans.

You're kidding me right? Are you an Emo?

In case you were wondering, here is a quote from Wiki:

In recent years, emo, in the popular media, has been associated with a stereotype that includes being emotional, sensitive, shy, introverted, or angsty. It is also associated with depression, self-injury, and suicide.

 

[neoxblu1]

Zorg, you still didnt tell me what I should get... my mind isnt clear I cant decide... could you configure a system that would be nice for me?

Also who knoes when the 780i is coming out? Before 2008?