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4 video cards is only for ATI CrossFire X

3 video cards for Nvidia TriSLI

And there is no game out that requires 2 or 3 8800 ultras... Plus my monitor is only going to be 22" you think more than 1 is worth it?
 



If you guys wont help me than I am going to post this exact post on another website thats computer tech like tomshardware.

WOW just cause I want the best for my gaming and high performace I can get all of your a getting pissed?

WTF is wrong with you people, Im asking for help and yes you are giving me help but not the help that I want. I asked for help on how I could make my computer any faster than it is...

AND if everything I selected can be supported with my motherboard.

I've done research but I dont understand so I came here for help.

Slakka maybe you should shut your big ass mouth and help me out.


Post something thats helpful to me or you got no business here.
 
Okay cool, now i rate you should get a Q6600(don't need faster you wont tell the difference and you can oc this to the top) crossfire motherboard with 2 hd3870's, get 4 gig of fast fast fast ram, since you can afford to, find out which intel mobo is best for crossfire, or even quadfire and then if you can fins a quad pci-e mobo get 2 more 3870's. YOu will need like an 850W psu. Get a 750gb Western Digital hard drive, cause it is like 2% slower than a raptor but MUCH MUCH bigger. I dont know the best parts, find out from newegg, you know how ram timings work right? Check www.tweaktown.com maybe for parts.

WE are all very jealous of your potential pc, however you will not be able to tell the difference between the tippy tip top and something very very good, so there is no point getting a QX9800 or whatever it is being called(i am an AMD user) Dont buy the very very very fastest, you will be wasting a whole assload if cash for very little extra. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE rather save and upgrade in a year or so. If you can get a crossfire mobo that takes ddr3 if you can find one or if one exists. Also get 2*2gb ram chips, cause then you can get more ram later on. SOrry that i am not dropping links to stuff or giving specifics but it is 3:30 AM over here.

Your pc is going to be able to run everything on vista with no problem, crysis looks ASSLOADS better on dx10. Honestly....
 


Stop thinking about the numbers. NUMBERS in the world of computer components are used as the ultimate marketing tool to suck people in. They are the reason some people upgrade from a 7800 to a 8600 and then realise their 3D performance has just halved. What do you think that number actually means? 45nm will not necessarily last longer than a 65nm CPU. It does not directly relate to the performance of the chip. It means it is smaller, cheaper for intel to make so their profit margin increases, and there is more opportunity for them to make a faster chip as there is more room for transistors. The key thing here is the opportunity for something to be much better does not directly mean it will be better. Yes it is a vital technology shift but it is bleeding edge and only a fool goes for the bleeding edge.

If I went round to a friends house and saw that computer in their bedroom I would not be impressed at all, I would laugh at them for being stupid. Then I would proceed to bring my computer round to their house and play the same games as them at the same resolution with the same level of detail and laugh as they realise they CANNOT tell the difference.

You story about your laptop is a complete load of BS. 3 years ago the top consumer GPU's were the X700 and its nvidia equivalent. And that was on desktops. Laptops would have been far more limited. A laptop cannot run modern games except on ultra low levels (if at all in some cases). Going back 4 years the situation is even worse.

Your system will not play top of the line games for 4 years, Plan for an upgrade is the best advice anyone can give you. Infact your system will be decidely average in as little as 2 years.



Why? Because the numbers are higher? or do you think you will notice the difference? By the time you need DDR3 there is little chance your mobo will support the CPU that requires DDR3.





 


Apparently you missed this small, insignificant game called Crysis..... :lol:
 


Yea, they won't have a problem hooking you up with a $4k rig
 
Hey.. Thats cool and all. Its good you have someone to help build it but I would google a few things and get a feel for the stuff that is getting ready to hit the market. You will get a lot more bang for the 4k buck in a month or two. 4 Freakin video cards man.... FOUR !!!! :)

Then you can post benches on here and we will all be drowlin on ourselves..... If you gotta spend that much money do it at the right time. Now is not the right time. That Ultra card you want is what.... a year old?
 


yea on those types of pc man. you can build a budget pc for 13 grand!
i did see that he said that he had charter high speed. i dont really think you can put those to things in the same sentence....lol
 
Ever hear the phrase big is better? Well it ain't. Well, it is, if we are talking about knockers on the girl next door, but we ain't talking knockers, we are talking computers.

Bigger ain't better. Faster is better, but sometimes it ain't. More $ is better, but often it ain't.

Since we are talking about fantasy land, why don't we build a dual processor workstation, slab in one of those mega buck nVidia Quattro processors, hells bells lets put in 2 of those babies, and while we are at it add maybe 64GB of RAM and 6 HDs in a funky RAID setup.

And guess what, that $25,000 computer would not play a game better than the $1500 computers that have been suggested on the forum.

The flip side is that the above suggested $25k computer will do some serious video editing, host a couple mega websites, crunch my inventory in a couple microseconds while warming my entire 5000 sq ft office complex in the dead of winter.

Bottom line, bigger or whatever is not better unless you can use it. Games are not going to benefit from bleeding edge, at least not enough to notice.
 
Atcually..Why not see if the dual socket 8 core Phenoms FX @3ghz and 4 highend ATi video cards might do better than The fastest Intel/Nvida 3 video card solution.. Key word being MIGHT.

They say Phenom and ATi cards are suppose to scale alot better. Plus they might have dual GPU cards here in oh half a year or less so you could have 8 CPU cores and 8 GPU cores.
 



I wont be playing Crysis, infact I hate it, and crysis dosent require 2 video cards to play, it requires nvidia 8600+
 
Ok, I dont want AMD or ATI, I only want Intel and Nvidia.

Yes I have Charter High Speed Internet.

Yes the Nvidia 8800 Ultra is a year old, but its better than ATI and any other Nvidia.
 
NeoxBlu1 you need to help us understand why you are so against upgrading your computer (Thats one of the best parts IMO). If you can give us a good logical reason why, then we will give you suggestions but as it is right now if you spend your $4000 your uber high-end system will be by next year only moderately high-end, in another year only midrange and a year after that it will be just average something you could go to the store and buy for about $700. It is impossible to build a computer that will be able to play all games for the next three years at medium much less high or very high settings.
Even though you did say you hated Crysis and wont be playing it, it is still a good indication of things to come graphically. And at this point in time nothing short of SLI'ed 8800GTX/Ultra is going to give you 40-50+ fps with high settings. The reason I bring this up is many of the games coming out either in the next few months or in a year or so will probably offer similar playability if not worse. It's like when Oblivion came out, no GPU on the market could play it with everything on max and we had to wait for the next generation of cards before we could play that game maxed out. So my point is your shinny potential GPU is already having problems playing the new games coming out. And wouldn't you look foolish if you spent all this money just to find out your GPU is already outdated.
(Sorry bout the tangent :) )
This is whats going to happen to you if your not willing to upgrade your computer as needed. I'll give you the example of my friend, three or four years ago he got a AMD64 3400+ , 1GB RAM, 6800GT, 200GB HDD. Now by todays standards almost every entry level computer can just demolish it in benchmarks. But back in its day that computer was about only one step down from the highest end you could get FX-55, Geforce 6800Ultra. But today that same computer can barely play Oblivion, gets lag in Quake IV and is just generally slowing down. point being that is going to be your computer in three years sent back to the lower midrange of computing and just barely being able to play your games on medium. At that point having all the NAMES in the world won't mean a thing and will just show that you are a fiscally irresponsible fool.
Everyone on this forum has been trying to look out for you and make sure you don't make a decision now you'll regret later. It's like someone all ready said we don't want to hear you back here in three years complaining that your computer won't play the newest game.
Neoxblu1 we are trying to help you and if you help us understand where you are coming from and what your situation/motivation is we will help you. But what no one on here will do is be your "yes" man, so don't become angry at us for no telling you what you want to hear, remember you came to us for he
~TJN~
 

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You have never played it then if you think an 8600 will come even close to running that game at less than half-decent quality with playable framerates. I give up on this thread. I don't know how many ways people can tell you not to do a $4,000 rig and you still insist on buying a $4,000 rig; your ignorance on some of the pieces of a computer astounds me, I am definitely no expert, but you bring shame to the enthusiest community. Go buy alienware, at least they won't screw it up... :pfff:
 



Man You need to read up on this stuff before you make statments like that. No offence but that is the kind of talk that will make people not want to help you.

Considering that you said that you want the best. Do you want the best out right now just for bragging rights? or do you plan on playing high end games at the highest setting? If the later than even 2 Ultras won't play the latest games at high fps ! So why not wait a month or two and get the very best.

So if you really are unable to wait a month or two, just get a 8800GT, then sell it on eBay in 2 or 4 months then get 2 of the new high end 9800GTX or whatever they will be called.

Im not sure you know yourself what you want yet?

What this all boils down to is... Everyone needs to not look at his question as an adult or someone that doesn't have 4K to spend. We need to look at it from his perspective (16 yr old kid with 4K that wants the best but may not know enough to make the best choice).

So with that said. That is why I am not telling you to not get the very best. I am telling you that it is the wrong time to buy the best because the new "Best" stuff is just around the corner. So that is one reason why people say buy something like a 8800GT and get the new stuff later. Because it will Blow the mess out of the system you have in mind right now.

But I aint mad at you dude!
 
 


Well we used to believe it came from somewhere in the parietal lobe, but after this news story, most people think money like this comes from deep within the occipital cortex
 
I wish my parents would let me blow $4000 on computers too.
Wow my computer would probably be ~5% then that thing and mine cost $1500. There is a point where wanting the best computer you can get and wasting money have a happy medium, unfortunatally you demolished the hope of having such harmony.
 
Dwthor02 I read your configeration, and if its all correct than you blew more than 4grand on your computer... especially with 8800Ultra SLI...

His Configeration:
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650
Striker Extreme
2x 150 gig raptors
4x 500 gig wd
2x 8800 ultras
creative labs audio X-FI Xtreme Gamer
4 gigs memory corsair dominator
ultra x connect 1000watt psu
&
amd x2 6400
2 gigs corsair xms2 @ 800mhz
2 8800 gtx oc2 by bfg 2 150 raptors and 2 500 wd hds

How you get Asus Striker to work with QX9650?


OTHER:

Ok since new tech is coming out, I do want to wait, but than this will delay even more of it being sold out, or having problems and delaying it more...

So, I do really want my computer now, and what would be the difference from 65nm and 45nm?

Do I really need SLI?



 


Definetly not if you are still planning on using a 22 inch screen. 1 8800GT/GTX/Ultra is enough.
 
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