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Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
 
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That depends on the laptop. Please provide specs.

"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
> editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>
 
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"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote:

>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive

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"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
> editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>
>

although a slow drive like that is not ideal
it should still work, depending on how much ram you have
 
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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
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> "Mark" <none@none.com> wrote:
>
>>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive
>
> Did you forget the link?

Actually, I didn't. A minor typo on my part. Just wondering if a 60 G 4200
rpm hard drive is fast enough
 
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"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote:

>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
>editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>


Almost certainly yes but if you wanted to capture you may have problems.

Another possible problem is that Laptops are not always designed to run at
100% CPU for long periods of time and they may overheat, this is very model
specific so may not be a problem but something to bear in mind.

Hope this helps

Andy
 
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Everything I have read says 7200 or better.

Regards,

Marv

Mark wrote:
> Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
> editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>
>
 
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 04:32:43 GMT, "Mark" <none@none.com> wrote:

>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
>editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>

It should work and do in a pinch, but I wouldn't want to work with it
for too long. Your patience may vary.
 
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:51:46 GMT, "Mark" <none@none.com> wrote:

>
>"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing> wrote in message
>news:Xns95C6E7F4D5811wisdomfolly@151.164.30.42...
>> "Mark" <none@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive
>>
>> Did you forget the link?
>
>Actually, I didn't. A minor typo on my part. Just wondering if a 60 G 4200
>rpm hard drive is fast enough
>
You'll notice it. My last laptop had a 5400 RPM drive (as opposed to
the 7200 RPM external I have) and I definitely saw a difference. As to
whether it will work for you, it depends on whether you're going to be
doing a lot of disk-intensive stuff like database-involved apps, etc.
 
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I have a Toshiba S509 P4 2.8 laptop. It has 512 ram and a Gforce to go card.
My HDD is an 80 GB @ 4200 RPM on XP HE and I have done DVD burning, editing
etc.. with no problems.

ray


"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
> editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>
 
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:26:57 GMT, "Ray" <vze2995vnospam@verizon.net>
wrote:

>I have a Toshiba S509 P4 2.8 laptop. It has 512 ram and a Gforce to go card.
>My HDD is an 80 GB @ 4200 RPM on XP HE and I have done DVD burning, editing
>etc.. with no problems.
>
>ray
>
>
>"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>news:LN6yd.540623$Pl.538215@pd7tw1no...
>> Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
>> editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>>
>


Editing should not be a problem but have you captured from a DV
firewire camera?? If not try it and you problably see a problem with
dropped frames.
 
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"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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: That depends on the laptop. Please provide specs.

Oops. P4 2.8G (nonhyperthreading), 512 RAM.
 
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You will be able to edit. Capturing will depend on your hardware.

"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> "luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
> news:10si6g0tesd2jde@news20.forteinc.com...
> : That depends on the laptop. Please provide specs.
>
> Oops. P4 2.8G (nonhyperthreading), 512 RAM.
>
>
>
 
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no dropped frames?

"Ray" <vze2995vnospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
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:I have a Toshiba S509 P4 2.8 laptop. It has 512 ram and a Gforce to
go card.
: My HDD is an 80 GB @ 4200 RPM on XP HE and I have done DVD burning,
editing
: etc.. with no problems.
 
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"Donald Link" <linkd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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:
:
: Editing should not be a problem but have you captured from a DV
: firewire camera?? If not try it and you problably see a problem
with
: dropped frames.

Oh no, I haven't done the capture yet from a firewire! That's my
concern, dropped frames , rendering and audio mismatch.
So, with a 4200 rpm drive this will be an issue? Would it help if I
used an external 7200 rpm drive to capture and to and then copy it to
my local h/d and then swap the external drive and install a dvd in the
external case?
 
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:39 GMT, "Mark" <none@none.com> wrote:

>
>"Donald Link" <linkd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:b6bks0pvn6havbcqni0djm9uvj61e8aoov@4ax.com...
>:
>:
>: Editing should not be a problem but have you captured from a DV
>: firewire camera?? If not try it and you problably see a problem
>with
>: dropped frames.
>
>Oh no, I haven't done the capture yet from a firewire! That's my
>concern, dropped frames , rendering and audio mismatch.
>So, with a 4200 rpm drive this will be an issue? Would it help if I
>used an external 7200 rpm drive to capture and to and then copy it to
>my local h/d and then swap the external drive and install a dvd in the
>external case?
>
Yes it WILL be a problem. Use a 7200rpm drive with at least a 100mhz
FSB IDE controller.(I recommend using a 133mhz controller.) to capture
your video.
Once you have it on a HD you can edit it and burn to DVD no
problem.(Helps to have sufficient buffer rate though.)
 
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"none" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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:: Yes it WILL be a problem. Use a 7200rpm drive with at least a 100mhz
: FSB IDE controller.(I recommend using a 133mhz controller.) to capture
: your video.

The h/d that I would be using is an internal mounted inside an external
USB 2.0 case. I don't know hot to translate the FSB speed to a USB
equivalent. The USB 2.0 is suppose to be fast but I don't know how it
would compare to 100 mhz, but the WD hard drive is ATA 100 only. The
other option may be to do the video capture on a 1.8G Celeron computer
and then remove the drive and hook it up to the USB and transfer it to
the laptop.
 
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: Will it work, yes, but it will be painfully slow. A few of the
reasons they
: use those slow as molasses drives in notebooks is for reduced heat and
power
: consumption. Other than that, the slow drives kill the performance of
the
: notebooks.

I know, I noticed that speed issue right away just booting up, disk
defraging, and copying CD's. Unfortunately, at this time it is not
worthwhile for me to upgrade my new drive in the laptop to a 80 or 100G
5400 rpm drive until the drives are less expensive. That's one reason
why I ordered a WD 200G 7200 rpm drive. In fact, I am only using 8G
right now for apps and data. I can always buy an external case and
house the hard drive and swap a DVD drive as need be, but I can't run
both at the same time unless I have two external USB cases. I dunno how
that will affect the read/write speeds if run simulataneously.

The industry needs to implement better cooling for notebooks. I am going
to buy a laptop cooler to cool down my Dell even more, but nothing is
better than extra internal case fans for the laptops.
 
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In article <LN6yd.540623$Pl.538215@pd7tw1no>, none@none.com says...
>
>
>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
>editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>
I suppose an ything will do for editing but not for capturing. I have
7200 and 5000 RPM drives on my system. Capturing on the 7200 produced
zero dropped frames. Capturing to the 5000 produced an unacceptable level
of dropped frames.
 
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"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
> editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>
>

I read all the thread, so I know you are mostly concerned about capturing
DV. Well... 1 hour of full-size, full-framerate DV is about 10GB, which
means about 2800 kBps ("B" here means byte).
The 10GB, 4200rpm HDD in my old 700MHz P3 laptop can read and write at about
12000 kBps (tested with Nero).
I would hence say thay you most likely won'tr run into any dropped-frame
problem.
That's theory. In practice, I made some short DV captures (due to the HDD
size, I could not capture a whole tape), and noticed some sort of loss of
"smoothness" on the DV material reversed back on tape. Anyway, I am more
keen to think that this could be caused by the DV codec, rather than by the
Hard Disk.
Anyway, just a couple of weeks ago, I have replaced that HDD with a very
silent, 80GB, 5400rpm Samsung drive with 8MB cache as opposed to the mere
128kB of the other, and let me tell you that the leap in performance was
really amazing. It is like I had replaced the processor with a 1.5GHz one.
So ultimately, If you have the chance of choosing, don't hesitate and go for
a 5400rpm drive with a lot of cache. I am 100% sure that you won't be
disappointed.
 
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"Gogarty" <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <LN6yd.540623$Pl.538215@pd7tw1no>, none@none.com says...
>>
>>
>>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
>>editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>>
> I suppose an ything will do for editing but not for capturing. I have
> 7200 and 5000 RPM drives on my system. Capturing on the 7200 produced
> zero dropped frames. Capturing to the 5000 produced an unacceptable level
> of dropped frames.


If I may butt in....... new to this whole thing! Is 'dropping frames' what
makes the transferred video seem to be jerking and/or breaking up when
viewed after uploading to the computer? My videos look fine but when I
upload them and 'burn' them to a disk they are jerky and often the sound
breaks up. Is this caused by the same problem you are discussing here, Disk
Speeds.... and is there a workaround?

Thanks

CM
 
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what software and how are you 'burning them to disk? If heavy
compression is used, jerky video can result. Very little to do with
drive RPM.


"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gogarty" <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote in message
> news:EsmdnSD307FRfFfcRVn-oQ@bway.net...
> > In article <LN6yd.540623$Pl.538215@pd7tw1no>, none@none.com
says...
> >>
> >>
> >>Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic
video
> >>editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
> >>
> > I suppose an ything will do for editing but not for capturing. I
have
> > 7200 and 5000 RPM drives on my system. Capturing on the 7200
produced
> > zero dropped frames. Capturing to the 5000 produced an
unacceptable level
> > of dropped frames.
>
>
> If I may butt in....... new to this whole thing! Is 'dropping
frames' what
> makes the transferred video seem to be jerking and/or breaking up
when
> viewed after uploading to the computer? My videos look fine but
when I
> upload them and 'burn' them to a disk they are jerky and often the
sound
> breaks up. Is this caused by the same problem you are discussing
here, Disk
> Speeds.... and is there a workaround?
>
> Thanks
>
> CM
>
>
 
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Mark <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> The industry needs to implement better cooling for notebooks. I am
> going to buy a laptop cooler to cool down my Dell even more, but
> nothing is better than extra internal case fans for the laptops.

The industry _has_ implemented better cooling in laptops, they've stopped
using desktop processors (what you have) in them.

You're going to have transfer problems until you upgrade to a faster HD. The
Hitachi 60GB 7200 RPM HD is widely available for ~$150, my preferred source
is: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100519

--
Regards,

James

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"Mark" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>"none" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>news:3qjks0tn8l25suubkgski07akhj1746tg1@4ax.com...
>:: Yes it WILL be a problem. Use a 7200rpm drive with at least a 100mhz
>: FSB IDE controller.(I recommend using a 133mhz controller.) to capture
>: your video.
>
>The h/d that I would be using is an internal mounted inside an external
>USB 2.0 case. I don't know hot to translate the FSB speed to a USB
>equivalent. The USB 2.0 is suppose to be fast but I don't know how it
>would compare to 100 mhz, but the WD hard drive is ATA 100 only. The
>other option may be to do the video capture on a 1.8G Celeron computer
>and then remove the drive and hook it up to the USB and transfer it to
>the laptop.
>

Connect using USB2 or Firewire to the external HD and that would be fine.
The controllers are running at speeds rated in Megabytes per second not
Megahertz. Firewire or USB2 is plenty fast enough.

I would suggest setting up a laptop with a firewire PCMCIA card to connect
to the DV Camcorder and a USB2 external Hard Disc Enclosure to capture the
video to. Use the internal Hard disc on the laptop for the editing programs
not the video data.

Hope this helps

Andy
 
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Imagine what a 7200 rpm would do also. There are 10000 rpm advailable
but not an option for us moderate priced individuals. Soon and
probably sooner than you can imagine they will get into solid state
drives and then hold onto your seat.


On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:01:32 +0100, "JuniorG"
<tropicalREMOVE_ME@email.it> wrote:

>
>"Mark" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>news:LN6yd.540623$Pl.538215@pd7tw1no...
>> Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
>> editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?
>>
>>
>
>I read all the thread, so I know you are mostly concerned about capturing
>DV. Well... 1 hour of full-size, full-framerate DV is about 10GB, which
>means about 2800 kBps ("B" here means byte).
>The 10GB, 4200rpm HDD in my old 700MHz P3 laptop can read and write at about
>12000 kBps (tested with Nero).
>I would hence say thay you most likely won'tr run into any dropped-frame
>problem.
>That's theory. In practice, I made some short DV captures (due to the HDD
>size, I could not capture a whole tape), and noticed some sort of loss of
>"smoothness" on the DV material reversed back on tape. Anyway, I am more
>keen to think that this could be caused by the DV codec, rather than by the
>Hard Disk.
>Anyway, just a couple of weeks ago, I have replaced that HDD with a very
>silent, 80GB, 5400rpm Samsung drive with 8MB cache as opposed to the mere
>128kB of the other, and let me tell you that the leap in performance was
>really amazing. It is like I had replaced the processor with a 1.5GHz one.
>So ultimately, If you have the chance of choosing, don't hesitate and go for
>a 5400rpm drive with a lot of cache. I am 100% sure that you won't be
>disappointed.
>
 
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