48 Raids Carried Out in File-Sharing Investigation

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[citation][nom]wavetrex[/nom]I seriously have no idea why are you voting down my comment above...Do you people really like this work with super-rich and dirt-poor people ? How long do you think the rich will be able to steal everything ? How long until they steal the flesh out of our bones?It would be much better for everyone if money didn't exist at all, and everything ( including software ) was open-source, and "free".There would be no need for armies, police, raids, no thieves, no pirates of any kind ( as there is nothing to steal, since everything is available to everyone )Google "The Venus Project" if you want to know what I'm talking about.[/citation]
... the raids? it's just corporate desperation...
... and by the way... no pirated record will beat a good live performance... in a way pirated or shared music is a good ad campaign for the next tour... artic monkeys comes to mind... no pirated movie will beat a excellent experience in a movie theater... no proprietary software will beat the innovation of free software...
 
[citation][nom]joz[/nom]I downvoted you for your utter stupidity.Catching pirates does nothing, prices on software will remain the same. Your argument about "for the sake of all of us who pay" is completly invalid. Piracy is such a small and insignificant ammount compared to the actual number of units sold, that the supply/demand remains very much un-elastic. Have you noticed, no matter what the level of piracy, large companies still charge inhumane ammounts for their product... and small companies which suffer very little piracy becouse people see them as the underdogs charge very little for their product...guess what, those large companies with the better product don't mind the piracy, overall it doesn't affect them. Digital media is a no-lose business, you don't suffer anything from someone pirating your stuff since you don't have a complicated supply of materiels to manage and process into that product, digitaly distributing a product on a cd- 1penny, if that, online... server/electricity/bandwidth costs, less then a fraction of a penny per copy. piracy? neligible. Authorities only go after such pirates on the moral-extermists urging, instead of catching muderers, rapists and other even less desirable groups/persons.Please exuse my spelling and grammar, im on a laptop with a cruddy keyboard at 10:00 pm in a all-night pizza resturant.[/citation]

I got bored and just skimmed but I saw all-night pizza so I gave you a thumbs up for that.
 
[citation][nom]keczapifrytki[/nom]Yes you could do both. Or better yet, instead of wasting resources for raids of some geeks/gamers/torrent users houses/basements/etc. use those same resources for the list of things I have mentioned before.[/citation]
That's flawed logic. Your way of thinking can be applied to this situation: Instead of the police keeping your neighborhood in check and safe, why don't they just do the things listed above. Who cares if you get scammed on some deal or your brother gets his arm cut off when there are mass murderers and terrorists out there!
The reason why there is a large police force with many specialized fields is so that we can focus more more than one issue at a time
read a quote above posted by kuharski:
[citation][nom]kuharski[/nom] And saying they are wasting their time on "little" things like this is like saying why are we wasting our time with the hungry in America when we should be helping 3rd World countries, just because the battle is not on the extreme of one spectrum doesn't make it unimportant.[/citation]
 
Operation Buccaneer in 2001 was a complete fail and temporary lock down for the piracy world, this raid honestly isn't nearly as impressive. Feds in Europe are puffing their chests out a little too far trying to sucker the world this is a "huge" taken down.
 
>One less dollar to Microsoft or Blizzard entertainment or Will Smith isn't going to kill anyone.

That's a very glib and misguided way of looking at the current situation. First, it's not one less dollar -- piracy to buy ratios for music are somewhere in the range of 30:1 or greater. Second, I know plenty of struggling independent artists who have seen their already precarious incomes just collapse due to ripping.
 
I love the lectures from software thieves. You might convince yourself that not paying for a product is some sort of moral victory for the common man, but the bottom line is you use a stolen product because it benefits you. If you had a moral leg to stand on, you wouldn't use products from companies you don't agree with. I'm no fan of big corporations, but I know hypocrisy when I hear it, and arguing that stealing games and music is somehow a noble cause is simply deluding yourself into believing you are something more than a thief.
 
[citation][nom]keczapifrytki[/nom]What is wrong with you people? Raiding pirates? What happened to child molesters? Rapists? Murderers? Osama Bin Laden???? The mothafu***** Colombian drug cartels? You got the balls to carry out raids? Try doing it in the Jungle, where you could actually save some human lives from slavery. They are just a bunch of bullies. When it comes to serious business and some serious, bad mofos, these hero cops shut their mouths.[/citation]
Catching software pirates is more important then catching those other types of criminals, at least it is to the RIAA and their equivalents, who pay the cops to conduct these raids.
 
you know the funny thing is those cops that raid them propably copied all the "data" on those servers for themselves before they locked it up.
 
[citation][nom]LLJones[/nom]So, is anybody starting to sweat a little?[/citation]
They are after the people who are distributing, and on a massive scale.
If you download a few TV shows, a bit of music and maybe a game you will be safe.
It a bit like the drug-war, they can't be bothered with some dude who has a couple of reefers for personal use but they DO want to bust Pablo Escobar.
 
I sure hope that the companies behind the accusations leading to the investigation will pay the law suits that will follow if any off the so called pirates are proven not guilty.

I dont want my tax money to be used to protect a companys profit while neglecting healthcare, better education ect - The more i read about the media companies war against the pirates (while making good results and not paying the artists behind what they sell) its clear they just want more and more and i for one don't want to pay that salery bonus for the CEO's
 
There are many reasons file-sharing benefits organizations. For instance, consider Adobe Photoshop. If Adobe Photoshop wasn't being distributed illegally, how would people know how to use it? They'd be restricted to using it in computer labs or shelling out $700 for their own copy. Would anyone in their right mind pay $700 for a software they have no idea how to use? The fact that it's being distributed illegally allows Photoshop to be the golden standard in image editing. No other software is capable of taking Photoshop's crown because everyone uses it. Now it must be used in schools and workplaces (the places that cannot operate with illegal software because workers are rewarded for reporting malpractice and who make up almost all of Adobe's income). The same can easily be said about Microsoft Windows/Office.

Software corporations need pirates and pirates need them. It's a beautiful relationship.
 
[citation][nom]distanted[/nom]I love the lectures from software thieves. You might convince yourself that not paying for a product is some sort of moral victory for the common man, but the bottom line is you use a stolen product because it benefits you. If you had a moral leg to stand on, you wouldn't use products from companies you don't agree with. I'm no fan of big corporations, but I know hypocrisy when I hear it, and arguing that stealing games and music is somehow a noble cause is simply deluding yourself into believing you are something more than a thief.[/citation]

I just love the argument that its "stolen" while its not. A car dealer who had his car stolen makes it impossible to sell afterwards wich result in a loss. Music/movies wich have been copied is still very much sellable and is not the same as loss since its no guarantee that the copying person would purchase it in the first place.

Bottom line: Infrigment yes - stealing no!
 
[citation][nom]__-_-_-__[/nom]there's no such a thing as "European police". EUROPE is not a country."police in 14 countries around Europe coordinated in raids against so-called Warez Scene topsites"[/citation]
There is asuch a thing as a European Warrant, it can be issued in any country that has signed up to the European Treaty. It is typically executed by local law enforcement with representatives of the issuing country on hand if an extradition is required.
Europe may not be a "country" as such, but it's a lot closer to being a United States of Europe than people realise.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]There is asuch a thing as a European Warrant, it can be issued in any country that has signed up to the European Treaty. It is typically executed by local law enforcement with representatives of the issuing country on hand if an extradition is required.Europe may not be a "country" as such, but it's a lot closer to being a United States of Europe than people realise.[/citation]

Sadly you're right
 
Hopefully more people pay attention to this. The more people pirate, the harder it is for developers to justify putting quality work into their products, and I feel that piracy has contributed to the void of creativity in the gaming markets of late, why would people try to put something crazy-awesome out there if it will just get pirated heavily.
 
Knock one down another one appears. They are playing whack a mole with millions of dollars of taxpayers money just to appease the RIAA/MPAA into thinking you can address end-user piracy by prosecution.

If the software industry itself acknowledged that you have to adjust your business model and provide a reason for users to stay legit, its pretty egotistical to think jag-off lawyers and industry execs can pull it off.

On the American side - people should be WAY more concerned about the all our rights that are going vapor on a daily basis.
 
I'm for this, stop piracy, get it back to the times when all i had to do was buy a game, put the disk in my pc and play, now i can't even BUY a pc game unless its through steam or best buy, gamestop doesn't even carry them anymore for the most part.

if i can't afford a game i'll wait till its on sale or just forget and not play it because pirating is stealing, people can justify it all they want by saying no actual goods were taken, but in the end its just justification to feel better about taking somethign you didn't pay for.

i'm not bad off, but by no means anything close to well off; my computer is old a socket 754 amd 3200+, 2G ram and a 8500GT but you know what... its mine and paid for, every piece of software on it INCLUDING photoshop and premiere (elements) are paid for copies because i wanted to use them both and didn't want to deprive the people who made the software i am utilizing from the fair compensation they deserve... bottom line if you want somethign pay for it if not then go without.

 
sheesh... I haven't bought a cd since napster... and I haven't been in a blockbuster video store since either. Last I heard, people use something called iTunes and Netflix, but why bother I'm poor and can't afford to see every movie, listen to every song, or play every game I want. I don't want to be poor either, but why should I miss out on some pirated booty?

When I DO purchase some tunes, or visit the cinema, or purchase a game from Steam, it holds so much more value to me as a person [or as a pirate].

 
[citation][nom]distanted[/nom]I love the lectures from software thieves. You might convince yourself that not paying for a product is some sort of moral victory for the common man, but the bottom line is you use a stolen product because it benefits you. If you had a moral leg to stand on, you wouldn't use products from companies you don't agree with. I'm no fan of big corporations, but I know hypocrisy when I hear it, and arguing that stealing games and music is somehow a noble cause is simply deluding yourself into believing you are something more than a thief.[/citation]

I never needed any moral leg to stand on. I buy stuff, I pirate stuff and I wont shed a tear for any poor millionaire because of it. Imagine if P-Diddy had to have only 1 private jet!

I don't pirate independent artists, mainly because they are not worth the bandwidth.
 
[citation][nom]wavetrex[/nom]I seriously have no idea why are you voting down my comment above...Do you people really like this work with super-rich and dirt-poor people ? How long do you think the rich will be able to steal everything ? How long until they steal the flesh out of our bones?It would be much better for everyone if money didn't exist at all, and everything ( including software ) was open-source, and "free".There would be no need for armies, police, raids, no thieves, no pirates of any kind ( as there is nothing to steal, since everything is available to everyone )Google "The Venus Project" if you want to know what I'm talking about.[/citation]

Read Atlas Shrugged and learn about why what you just said is looter philosophy.
 
[citation][nom]stingstang[/nom]And just earlier today some European was talking all smug about America losing their rights for having our phones traced. Looks like the foot is on the other foot![/citation]

Hahahah, awesome
 
[citation][nom]nexus9113[/nom]Read Atlas Shrugged and learn about why what you just said is looter philosophy.[/citation]

OMFG, use ANY argument except Ayn Rand. She was a reactionary dip**** and at the very least, if all you can do is point to her work as an excuse for your lopsided beliefs then YOU are the leech.
 
It seems most pople don't like either party in this never ending struggle, the pirates nor the media companies. Why should WE customers have to pay for a fight between two sides at several points?

Tax = For abused law enforcement wich could been used for more important taska but i guess the green is more important than human lives for some lesser humans!

Higher Product Prices = Used for DRM schemes (one worse than the other for the legal customer), lawyers (producing maby a nicel of suits of every 100 dollars spent hunting them) both in the end hurting the prices.

Reduced Freedom = All the new laws to protect the media industry created by our polititicians (Who seem to forgotten who they should represent), many wich increases the prices to run a isp company (wich yet again makes the legal customer loose money). Like the CD-R/DVD-R/USB-Memstick "tax" in Sweden, you have to pay a preset amonth extra for the media that will go to the media company no matter how you use it, if you want to make a backup on a DVD you have to pay for the media companies loss to piracy, WHAT DOES my backup have to do with their inability to adapt, any other company not adapting to the market get ruined, why should we spoonfeed the media companys with our money when they could be used for far better purposes than add to the CEO's bonuses in the end?
 
[citation][nom]wavetrex[/nom]I seriously have no idea why are you voting down my comment above...Do you people really like this work with super-rich and dirt-poor people ? How long do you think the rich will be able to steal everything ? How long until they steal the flesh out of our bones?It would be much better for everyone if money didn't exist at all, and everything ( including software ) was open-source, and "free".There would be no need for armies, police, raids, no thieves, no pirates of any kind ( as there is nothing to steal, since everything is available to everyone )Google "The Venus Project" if you want to know what I'm talking about.[/citation]
Jesus! where to start. you really think this could work? you might be the dumbest person on the internet. Sure it would be nice but come on, really? If everything was free, then my sister-in-law would get her beer, cigs, and a couch for free, and wouldn't do ANYTHING but use those 3 things. More people would stop working, since there is no motivation, and then no one would produce products for "free" and then what? EVERYONE would die! unless they brought money back to motivate people.
 
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