48 Raids Carried Out in File-Sharing Investigation

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[citation][nom]theshonen8899[/nom]There are many reasons file-sharing benefits organizations. For instance, consider Adobe Photoshop. If Adobe Photoshop wasn't being distributed illegally, how would people know how to use it? They'd be restricted to using it in computer labs or shelling out $700 for their own copy. Would anyone in their right mind pay $700 for a software they have no idea how to use? The fact that it's being distributed illegally allows Photoshop to be the golden standard in image editing. No other software is capable of taking Photoshop's crown because everyone uses it. Now it must be used in schools and workplaces (the places that cannot operate with illegal software because workers are rewarded for reporting malpractice and who make up almost all of Adobe's income). The same can easily be said about Microsoft Windows/Office. Software corporations need pirates and pirates need them. It's a beautiful relationship.[/citation]

Unless you're a student or teacher, then it's $199. Or, you can do what I did and buy a fully licensed un-used older version from EBay (I purchased 6 when 8 was the newest version) for $60. Now I can buy upgrade versions for under $100 usually, when I feel like upgrading.

There are many ways to get around paying full price for the more expensive software, rather than just going outright and stealing/copying it.
 
Good, put these f****rs in jail. I've been a software developer for years and it pisses me off to think I could spend countless hours on a product only to have some ahole use it (in their company, no less to help them make money) without paying.

LOL to the idiots talking about rapists, murderers and the like.. So you're saying the police should completely ignore any and all types of white collar crime? Maybe they should never have gone after the execs at Enron or Bernie Madoff? I mean, he basically only scammed the rich and they probably deserved it, right?

All you who pirate are thieves and as mentioned, use any sort of excuse to justify it. You sound exactly like welfare recipients. All mad and pissed off at people who are wealthy while you struglle along with your pathetic life, blaming others for your situation instead of trying to improve it.

 
kinda funny to think that most people doing this dont use the h'd in the box for anythign other than the OS, and the hd's with all the data is ofsite and accessed thoguh the cloud.
 
[citation][nom]ericburnby[/nom]Good, put these f****rs in jail. I've been a software developer for years and it pisses me off to think I could spend countless hours on a product only to have some ahole use it (in their company, no less to help them make money) without paying.LOL to the idiots talking about rapists, murderers and the like.. So you're saying the police should completely ignore any and all types of white collar crime? Maybe they should never have gone after the execs at Enron or Bernie Madoff? I mean, he basically only scammed the rich and they probably deserved it, right?All you who pirate are thieves and as mentioned, use any sort of excuse to justify it. You sound exactly like welfare recipients. All mad and pissed off at people who are wealthy while you struglle along with your pathetic life, blaming others for your situation instead of trying to improve it.[/citation]

Are you 100% sure you have NEVER downloaded something illegally? i really don't know anyone how can say that. There are places that look legit and you pay for the download, and still some are ran by the Russian mob and are illegal.
 
@ joz
large companies still charge inhumane ammounts for their product
Are you serious? "inhumane".. nobody puts a gun to your head and says buy this software. You my friend need to take an economics class. (not Keynesian either )The price any company charges is the price the market will bare.. the problem with software and other media is that it can be reproduced and used unlike other products.. how many people have ever downloaded a new car or truck?.. exactly!.. think about what that would do to the company if you could just download their products for free.. nobody would pay for anything if they could just get it for free.
Your problem.. like many others.. is this sense of entitlement.
If you don't like the price of things.. start your own company and sell it for less.. see how far you get with that. Before you talk about evil big corporations ....try living in their shoes first.
Piracy will never die.. but that still doesn't make it right.
 
[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]I just love the argument that its "stolen" while its not. A car dealer who had his car stolen makes it impossible to sell afterwards wich result in a loss. Music/movies wich have been copied is still very much sellable and is not the same as loss since its no guarantee that the copying person would purchase it in the first place.Bottom line: Infrigment yes - stealing no![/citation]

This is why comparisons fail so much, because people cannot do them properly. You compare a single entity (a car) to tens of thousands of copies, if not more (random music album). In technical terms you can't "copy" a car, but you can copy an album. You're sort of right in that the word "stolen" is used in a generic way. You never "own" a video game, you have the rights to use it. You can however own a vehicle. Apples and Oranges.
 
The world is in a transitional state right now. Soon, nobody will "buy" software anymore but rather will rent it or the temporary use of it. You'll pay a monthly fee like your phone or electric bill. It's the only way software companies can stay in business. Think about it.
 
[citation][nom]joz[/nom]I downvoted you for your utter stupidity.Catching pirates does nothing, prices on software will remain the same. Your argument about "for the sake of all of us who pay" is completly invalid. Piracy is such a small and insignificant ammount compared to the actual number of units sold, that the supply/demand remains very much un-elastic. Have you noticed, no matter what the level of piracy, large companies still charge inhumane ammounts for their product... and small companies which suffer very little piracy becouse people see them as the underdogs charge very little for their product...guess what, those large companies with the better product don't mind the piracy, overall it doesn't affect them. Digital media is a no-lose business, you don't suffer anything from someone pirating your stuff since you don't have a complicated supply of materiels to manage and process into that product, digitaly distributing a product on a cd- 1penny, if that, online... server/electricity/bandwidth costs, less then a fraction of a penny per copy. piracy? neligible. Authorities only go after such pirates on the moral-extermists urging, instead of catching muderers, rapists and other even less desirable groups/persons.Please exuse my spelling and grammar, im on a laptop with a cruddy keyboard at 10:00 pm in a all-night pizza resturant.[/citation]

Well, you make a very good point and I have to say I have not really thought about it in that way until reading your post and I agree with your point of view, and I commend you as you have opened my eyes to a differnet perspective.

But seriously you dont have to call me or anyone stupid because you have a differnet opinion or viewpoint on a subject, the anger and bashing on Tom's gets out of hand sometimes.
 
Seriously, it's the companies and medias fault piracy has gotten to the point it has. TPB was an uncommon search tool until the media gave it heaps of attention - it just opened the door to anyone reading the "news".

The governments just get more and more screwed up every year. Obama pushes for 50 billion in infrastructure, something which won't be giving back to the USA like putting that money into solar power would. Obamas side can be quoted as saying that Americans have no "reasonable expectation of privacy".

And it's not like the EU is doing sh!t anyway - isn't there wars and bombings and drug trafficking - nevermind HUMAN trafficking? Yeah, some piracy is more important than human trafficking... Nice example europe.

I'm just gonna say this out of my ass because I really don't know the whole story, but WTF is europe doing with the middle east anyway? We're just letting Iran achieve nuclear capability?

If anyone wants to see where this is going, just play Star Ocean: The last hope. I'll also use that referrence to refer to what happened to civilization with the first Bacculus epidemic in the game.

We as a whole need to start doing something about the heavy foot of government before we're all screwed.
 
[citation][nom]theshonen8899[/nom]There are many reasons file-sharing benefits organizations. For instance, consider Adobe Photoshop. If Adobe Photoshop wasn't being distributed illegally, how would people know how to use it? They'd be restricted to using it in computer labs or shelling out $700 for their own copy. Would anyone in their right mind pay $700 for a software they have no idea how to use? The fact that it's being distributed illegally allows Photoshop to be the golden standard in image editing. No other software is capable of taking Photoshop's crown because everyone uses it. Now it must be used in schools and workplaces (the places that cannot operate with illegal software because workers are rewarded for reporting malpractice and who make up almost all of Adobe's income). The same can easily be said about Microsoft Windows/Office. Software corporations need pirates and pirates need them. It's a beautiful relationship.[/citation]

It's a good thing there are stolen cars everywhere, how else would anyone know how to drive? They would be restricted to learning how to drive in someone else's car or shelling out to buy their own! Why would someone pay thousands of dollars for something they don't know how to use? Bicycles are unable to take car's crown because everyone uses them. Now it must be used on roads (the places where you can't drive stolen cars which is where car companies make most their money). Car thieves and car companies have a beautiful relationship.

Oh wait that's incredibly stupid, and also not true. It's almost like photoshop is demonstrably superior to its cheaper competitors, providing added convenience and a significant increase in value. This, rather than its widespread pirating (as if it's any easier to pirate than its cheaper competitors) is what makes it the gold standard, and you pay a price premium for that. Yes, even if you don't know how to use it first.

As for the other arguments regarding why pirating is A-OK: The 'no-loss' argument can be applied just as well to shoplifting, as maybe if I like that thing I stole I'll go back and pay for it! Right? Regardless of whether or not a physical thing has been stolen, piracy represents a lost sale. "BUT THEY CAN STILL SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE" means nothing, because they can't still sell it to YOU. You already have it. That is money out of their pocket. Don't act like the ONLY people who pirate are those who can't afford it, either. Piracy numbers may be overstated from those who wouldn't buy but do pirate, but a significant chunk are people who just logically take the free alternative to actually purchasing a product.

On that note, try stealing a car and getting off in court by saying "But I couldn't afford it, and it's not like greedy Toyota needs that money! What's a couple thousand to them?" Good luck there.

Which segues nicely to the topic of corporate greed: Let's say your boss said to you "hey, you're made 50% more money for me this year over last year, but don't ask me for a raise because you make enough already and that would be GREEDY." Our entire society, good and bad, is based on greed. "It is not through the good will of the butcher or the baker..." Do you think Tom's runs this site out of the goodness of their hearts? They do it so they can feed their families with the ad revenue. If more of us start browsing, don't you think they'd raise the rates they charge the ad companies? Would that make them GREEDY?

Yes, CEO salaries are off the chain. But let's say you stick it to 'em and pirate. Guess what: the CEO's exorbitant salary is not the first thing cut when the revenues go down. They start getting tighter about investing in new products, and they start dropping off workers at the lowest rungs. The CEO doesn't really get hurt until things get so bad that the company folds, and even then they get a golden parachute and probably find a job at another firm. Meanwhile, the company's hundreds of workers are out of a job and out of luck, and that company won't be around anymore to develop the software that you liked enough to pirate. You really stuck it to that CEO, huh! Hypothetical, of course, as piracy margins are never enough to hurt a company that much, but you are causing real and direct harm to the first step on the 'reduce expenses' chain: "expendable" workers, and any investment that isn't a sure thing (i.e. a videogame that isn't a gray-and-brown-cover-based-shooter).

Also, as to the "why don't you fix the economy instead of stopping people from stealing..." the last time I checked, if companies lose less money to piracy, they will have more to invest, creating jobs and, surprise! Help the economy.

Complaints about how these raids are mostly for show and will have little impact on piracy or filesharing in general are.. pretty accurate. There just isn't international law in place to deal with IT issues in any real way, and lawmakers generally don't understand it well enough to move forward.. so pirate on, I guess!

Jerks.
 
[citation][nom]fracture[/nom]Dang 48 raids. Who's tanking?[/citation]
LMAOF. Best... comment... EVER!!! Thanks for making my day!

BTW, I'd tank, but I think my GS is too low for this.
 
[citation][nom]korsen[/nom]The governments just get more and more screwed up every year. Obama pushes for 50 billion in infrastructure, something which won't be giving back to the USA like putting that money into solar power would. Obamas side can be quoted as saying that Americans have no "reasonable expectation of privacy"[/citation]

Not to rain on your parade of raining on everyone's parade, but "infrastructure" includes a chuck for solar power infrastructure. Just so you know. That particular ruling on reasonable expectations of privacy only extends to cell phone location, in the same way that you don't have an expectation that no-one will know your car liscence plate number. Just clearing things up.

Don't worry, though, carry on believing we're headed for whatever typical dystopian vision you like best, just like a segment of miserable people has been for the last 2,000 years.
 
[citation][nom]keczapifrytki[/nom]You can't compare cars to software. You can make a dozen copies of a game in minutes, where as making a dozen cars takes a ton of resources. [/citation]

Yet the code that went into that software took possibly hundreds of people thousands of hours to write. Are you saying that isn't a resource? Simply because it can be easily copied doesn't mean it has no value. Part of the cost of those cars is paying for the design and know-how that goes into building them, one of the many reasons that a car is worth far, far more than the materials that went into it or the labor spent constructing the end product. You don't understand how value works and you're justifying nothing short of theft with your misunderstanding.

Also, Re: shoplifting, let's say I buy a toothbrush and use it for a week.. I'd like to see the place that lets me return it because "I don't like it." Therefore it's legit to steal it, try it, and only pay if I do like it, right? The claim that "all physical goods come with money-back guarantees" is preposterous and absolutely false. Most places have return policies only if the product was sold to you broken in some way, not just if it doesn't suit your style.
 
[citation][nom]rollerdisco[/nom]Jesus! where to start. you really think this could work? you might be the dumbest person on the internet. Sure it would be nice but come on, really? If everything was free, then my sister-in-law would get her beer, cigs, and a couch for free, and wouldn't do ANYTHING but use those 3 things. More people would stop working, since there is no motivation, and then no one would produce products for "free" and then what? EVERYONE would die! unless they brought money back to motivate people.[/citation]

Me and hundreds of thousands if not millions of internet readers, who knows how many more outside of internet sphere are thinking the same.

It's not money that motivated progress, that's the first mistake most people are doing, that without money there wouldn't be any progress. It's exactly the opposite way ! Monetary sistem is PREVENTING big progress.

Did Einstein got payed to theoretize his Relativity ?
Did Alexander Fleming got payed for inventing Penicilin ?
Did Edison, Tesla, Popov and Marconi got payed to discover Radio ?
Did Galileo Galilei received money so he can say that the Earth is just a planet around the Sun and not the center of the universe ?
And there are so many others.

No, no, and NO for ANY major discovery on this planet !
Absolutely NO progress had any connection with the monetary system.

Only passion and dedication from these people, the LOVE of what they were doing got us our modern life, including the computers you all are typing of right now, created these things. NOT MONEY.

Do you do your hobbies for money ? NO ! You do it because you LIKE doing it. Nobody is paying you to go to your garage and build something, nobody is paying you to draw, to sing on your musical instrument, to study nature or to ponder about the meaning of life.

If anyone thinks that money is the cause of progress, they are simply not thinking for themselves and just acceping the "programming" that society has put in us, or they just blindly belive everything they are being told.

Look at yourself rollerdisco and tell me ... who is the dumbest person in the world now ?
 
@ wavetrex
Absolutely NO progress had any connection with the monetary system
Your soooo right.. i mean.. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs never took a dime for their contribution to home computing... i mean.. wait.. wait .. hold on.. i think they did?
Your analogy of monetary gain.. is a little off.
People have been turning their passions into monetary gain for a long time, that's why they are good at what they do and usually make the most money.
Men and Women have been bartering for things and services for thousands of years. I will give or provide X for Y. --- X and Y could = work, food or something else that is needed or wanted. Now since that time, people have been trying to figure out ways to increase their productivity and by doing so receiving more of x and y which allows a better quality of life.. that is all do to the individuals performance and ability.
A lot of "Progress" is due to a persons quest for financial gain to improve their quality of life. Providing a service or product to millions of people for "monetary" gain has been the economic and fundamental engine of history. Not everyone does things for money (monetary gain).. but the best of the best usually requires some sort of "monetary" compensation.
Einstein's theory of relativity did not put food on his table.
 
Did Galileo Galilei received money so he can say that the Earth is just a planet around the Sun and not the center of the universe ?
Nope, just a sentence of house arrest for the rest of his life.. I would have taken the money :)
 
my vote for biggest idiot on the internet is still wavetrex... money not being a motivation you're joking right... its not april fools so unless you're joking you have my vote for sure.

people do stuff for personal gain there are moments of altuism out there but they are often few and far between. einstien wantd scientifion recognition thats a form of gain

edison and tesla radio not for profit are you kidding me both of them profited alot fo rthier great works and did it directly for monetary gain

galileo wanted same as einstein but recognition from church/scientific community... as for flemming... great man but also wanted to help people and his invention helped more human beings than almost anybody could imagine ... but while the most altruistic on your list he STILL waned respect and credit though they all did it for love they all got paid in a way fo rthier work..

software engeneers and movie studios do thier stuff for monetary gain so basically saying pirating is ok is like after having your like saved by penecilin kicking flemming in the crotch and telling him he was a teririble human being
 
@cptnjarhead : You're totally right. People have been turning their passions into money for as far as mankind can remember. Just take a look at prostitutes.
 
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