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It seems that I'm barking at the wrong trees here...

Well maybe some of you will realise how wrong you are in a few years, while others will never wake up and proverbially "die stupid".
Fine, we live in a "free" world, you all people who pray to your god "Money"... keep enjoying your pathetic slave lifes as long as you can.

Now this is a comment to downrate !
 
[citation][nom]anonymous x[/nom]Apparently you don't realize that socialism doesn't really work in the real world (humans are greedy)Just because some are combating software piracy doesn't mean that others can't fight whatever you posted above.[/citation]
Actually, the socialist United States is the strongest economy on earth. They just don't call it something else.
 
[citation][nom]zak_mckraken[/nom]@cptnjarhead : You're totally right. People have been turning their passions into money for as far as mankind can remember. Just take a look at prostitutes.[/citation]

Hoe's got to eat too!
 
[citation][nom]pinkfloydminnesota[/nom]Actually, the socialist United States is the strongest economy on earth. They just don't call it something else.[/citation]

They just don't call it something else.
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that is confusing.
If not for the last remaining pieces of capitalism here in America our economy would be worse than it is now.
 
[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]I just love the argument that its "stolen" while its not. A car dealer who had his car stolen makes it impossible to sell afterwards wich result in a loss. Music/movies wich have been copied is still very much sellable and is not the same as loss since its no guarantee that the copying person would purchase it in the first place.Bottom line: Infrigment yes - stealing no![/citation]
You make 'infringement' sound almost like 'borrowing'. If you infringe upon a software developer's intellectual property and download it to your hard drive without a license, you have stolen property on your HD. You can call it whatever you want, piracy, infringement, theft, sticking it to The Man, etc... bottom line is you committed a crime. Just because it's easier than stealing a boxed copy at the store, doesn't make it any less illegal. The company paid for the development, packaging, and marketing of a product...if 15,000 people download it for free, then there are certainly lost revenues in there. And if you need a victim for this crime: it's us, the paying customers, who have to keep up with dongles, 20 digit keys, and online registrations every time we install a freakin hard drive. Do what you must...just remeber: Hell's game room only has the Atari 2600, and one of the paddles is broke...
 
[citation][nom]__-_-_-__[/nom]there's no such a thing as "European police". Europe is not a country.[/citation]
Well done for spotting that Europe is not a country, but the above statement was not Europe being a country it was pointing out quite clearly - and here's where READING come in - European Police.

Just to further push you in the right direction, please direct yourself to the following website
http://www.europol.europa.eu/
That's right, Europol, as in European Police

It says on the website, and I quote:-
Europol is the European Union law enforcement Agency that handles criminal intelligence. Its mission is to assist the law enforcement authorities of Member States in their fight against serious forms of organised crime
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This fits in nicely with my previous statement where you said exactly the same thing but obviously didn't read that either
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]There is asuch a thing as a European Warrant, it can be issued in any country that has signed up to the European Treaty. It is typically executed by local law enforcement with representatives of the issuing country on hand if an extradition is required[/citation]
If you are a pirate in europe, by all means keep doing it, just so long as it remains petty and not organised. Otherwise they will bust yo ass.


 
And honestly how much of that data that was seized was actually pirated material. I know its hard to believe but some organizations (revision 3 being one that used to till the riaa started intentionally corrupting their files to protect them from piracy... lulz) actually use torrenting services to distribute their media.
 
[citation][nom]wavetrex[/nom]Me and hundreds of thousands if not millions of internet readers, who knows how many more outside of internet sphere are thinking the same.It's not money that motivated progress, that's the first mistake most people are doing, that without money there wouldn't be any progress. It's exactly the opposite way ! Monetary sistem is PREVENTING big progress.Did Einstein got payed to theoretize his Relativity ?Did Alexander Fleming got payed for inventing Penicilin ?Did Edison, Tesla, Popov and Marconi got payed to discover Radio ?Did Galileo Galilei received money so he can say that the Earth is just a planet around the Sun and not the center of the universe ?And there are so many others.No, no, and NO for ANY major discovery on this planet !Absolutely NO progress had any connection with the monetary system....[/citation]
Holy cow, this is so incredibly wrong it made my eyeballs bleed when I read it, you seriously need to pick up some books and start reading.

One of Einstein's motivations for working on relativity was to win the nobel prize money which he promised to his wife as a condition for getting her to allow him a divorce so he could marry his cousin. He also wanted to get a fellowship at a major university and the bucks that came along with that.

Edison was largely motivated by profit in almost anything he did, much to the extent that he was willing to resort to very dirty tricks in order to push his product. He invented the electric chair in order to make AC voltage look bad in order to make his DC power plants look better to the public. Tesla worked with Edison on improving his DC power plants when promised $50k (which Edison later refused to pay resulting in a falling out between the two).

Galileo, like most of the scientists of his era, did a lot of their work in order to secure funding from wealthy patrons (who liked to brag to other wealthy patrons about who they were funding as a social thing) and from working at a major University.

Fleming worked as a doctor, and I doubt he did it for free, also, while he discovered penicillin, it was others who followed him and saw dollar signs (and the nobel prize money didn't hurt either) who were the ones who purified it and then proceeded to sell it.

 
Whatever the opinions expressed here, the Supreme Court has already ruled that copyright infringement is not theft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985)
That doesn't make it right or just, but making a copy of an original is not the same as stealing the original. The owner of the item that is copied may well feel aggrieved that someone else is enjoying a free copy of what they paid good money for, but they haven't suffered personal loss by having it copied. Likewise those who sell copies of their work might feel angry that others are sharing those copies rather than paying for them, but I wonder how you work out how many 'lost sales' result from this. You might like to think that everyone would pay full price for something if they couldn't get it for free from pirate bay or whatever, but the reality is they just wouldn't bother.
If I borrow a book from the library, that's a lost sale. If I invite 10 friends around to watch a DVD that I bought or rented, that's still 10 lost sales / rentals to my friends. Should we close the libraries for 'acts of piracy' and have MPAA lawyers following pizza delivery drivers to hunt down people gathering for an illicit "video evening"? The media lobbyists are gradually brainwashing politicians and the public into forgetting the original point of copyright law. They claim to be protecting the artist, yet they want the artist to hand over all title to their work as part of any contract.
 
[citation][nom]anonymous x[/nom]No, I buy my softwareWhat makes you think they are trying to stop piracy?[/citation]
What makes you think they aren't?
 
[citation][nom]cj_online[/nom]What makes you think they aren't?[/citation]
Because that's not possible. There will always be software piracy. When the police do drug raids, do you really think they are trying to stop it everywhere? There will always be criminals, but action against them reduces crime and makes criminals to be think twice before doing something illegal.
 
[citation][nom]anonymous x[/nom]Because that's not possible. There will always be software piracy. When the police do drug raids, do you really think they are trying to stop it everywhere? There will always be criminals, but action against them reduces crime and makes criminals to be think twice before doing something illegal.[/citation]

I suppose.. but ppl still end up doing it anyways...
 
I still remember downloading Duke3d off a BBS on my 14.4baud modem!!!!

Took forever but the sweet smell of piracy and 3 episodes of wicked gameplay was overwhelming.

This is why piracy exists. To make you happy!
 
first of all half my keys are missing on this laptop, daughter, also i am dyslexic, english being the only subject to ever have a "c"in. Thank god opera fixes most of these for me. Copyright protection is a great idea except for it also stifles innovation. oil companies owning battery copyrights is one example, another being the music industry and there unwillingness to digitize there out of circulation music. Thank god for music bloggers digging through old collection and digitizing it for us. the fact that we are oil dependent is not because we do not have the technology to build solar, wind, tidal and geothermal alternatives. example: “It took SeaGen from July 2008 until March of this year to generate the first million units largely due to licence restictions placed on its operation. However since March the restrictions, to check that SeaGen’s operation did not have any adverse effect on marine life, have been significantly relaxed by the regulating authority and 24/7 operation has been allowed. So in just the five months since 24/7 operation started, SeaGen has delivered its second million.” Its because all institutions primary goal is self preservation. be it religion, government, music, games or energy. Take a close look at our, U.S.A, government. Is it for the people by the people or is it status quo. Bush won Florida by a couple hundred votes. with a couple thousand registered democrats erroneously labeled as convicts. a third party was hired by jeb bush to find convicts on the voter registry. The gaming industry is no better with constant sequels and an inability to try innovative new titles, they control distribution(kind of like walmart). democracy, communism, socialism will all fail when the Proletariat does not stand up for their rights. Now if the cost of goods exceeds the income of the average citizen then what is that person to do. i do consider the outrageous salary of executives to be an unfair tax on the individual. If these taxes make it impossible for me to pursue what makes me happy then what do i do, it is an unalienable right. Do i have the right to try out products before purchasing? Nobody thinks tee is a necessity but we did have a party in Boston. If you still believe in free trade you might be sad to discovery the massive short selling before our economy collapsed also. father is a NY stock broker and you would not believe the joke that is the proletariat. but i have purchased 1,000's of cd's and records. every console since the coleco vision and atari 2600. and every stage of computer since my first Macintosh and Tandy 1000sx. since i am not a skull and crossbones i will take certain liberties that are afforded to me. especially when i owned it before. like sim golf

live long and prosper
 
To WAVETREX : JUst a REMINDER Thanks to US Americans you can express freely , otherwise if you dont like it get on that cheap FLYING RUG and return to you know where.
 
[citation][nom]volt-aire[/nom]It's a good thing there are stolen cars everywhere, how else would anyone know how to drive...[/citation]

You're argument isn't connecting. First of all let me explain that I reached this conclusion because I have a friend working as a software developer at Adobe. When I first found out he was working at Adobe I asked him, "...Doesn't it suck having a lot of people owe you money?" and he laughed and said, "Don't worry about it, it's good for us."

Onto your argument, cars would be a proper example if cars were required to be purchased for the use of companies. How many companies require the mass purchase of cars to function? I can only think of a handful (car rentals, taxis). I did not say that Photoshop is superior to the competition , this is actually something I dislike about software companies. Once someone learns the ways of one software (Windows) they are too stubborn to learn something else (Linux/Apple). What I did say though was that software companies need pirates, and they do. Adobe makes far more money selling their expensive software to mass purchases to universities, purchases of such massive volume that make individual purchases from the wealthy few negligible.

Take a look at the anti-virus company Avast. Avast offers free copies to consumers and paid licenses to businesses. I, a university computer lab manager, like the software and am experienced with using it so I send a recommendation for the mass purchase of this software for each of the 800+ computers I manage to my superior and now Avast has sold 800+ copies of their software because they offered their free copy to me. If their software had been $20 on the other hand, I would have looked elsewhere (Avira/AVG). Same can be said about Norton Anti-virus's OEM edition, though forcing it down the throats of computer consumers seems to have...backfired.

There are many other reasons piracy can be good. Piracy allows films/video games with horrifyingly high budgets and horrible plots (Transformers, Avatar, FF13) to level to the playing field of great low budget movies or indie games(Blair Witch Project, Clerks, Braid, World of Goo). Over-popular music artists lose money while artists that would otherwise be completely unknown (Owl City, PlayRadioPlay) can rise to fame.

Of course, there are also many reasons piracy can be bad. People who strive for both excellence in graphic quality, gameplay, and story lines for video games suffer the most which is why we see the massive exodus of PC gaming to console gaming today. You could have brought of this or any other kind of example to counter my argument, but instead you chose to make an analogy to, of all things...

...cars.
 
[citation][nom]stingstang[/nom]Or we could just google Communism and get the same results. Hmmmm.[/citation]
[citation][nom]g00fysmiley[/nom]I'm for this, stop piracy, get it back to the times when all i had to do was buy a game, put the disk in my pc and play, now i can't even BUY a pc game unless its through steam or best buy, gamestop doesn't even carry them anymore for the most part. if i can't afford a game i'll wait till its on sale or just forget and not play it because pirating is stealing, people can justify it all they want by saying no actual goods were taken, but in the end its just justification to feel better about taking somethign you didn't pay for.i'm not bad off, but by no means anything close to well off; my computer is old a socket 754 amd 3200+, 2G ram and a 8500GT but you know what... its mine and paid for, every piece of software on it INCLUDING photoshop and premiere (elements) are paid for copies because i wanted to use them both and didn't want to deprive the people who made the software i am utilizing from the fair compensation they deserve... bottom line if you want somethign pay for it if not then go without.[/citation]

Copying software is just that, copying. You're not depriving anyone from anything.

Not only that, but many people who work in industries where expensive software is being used learned their stuff on pirated software.

They wouldn't be consumers if it weren't for pirated software.
 
[citation][nom]A_Drone[/nom]Copying software is just that, copying. You're not depriving anyone from anything.Not only that, but many people who work in industries where expensive software is being used learned their stuff on pirated software.They wouldn't be consumers if it weren't for pirated software.[/citation]

you really are a drone if you believe that , stealing is stealing and your educational argument... there is a reason most software companies liek adobe and microsoft offer huge discounts to students so they can learn thier software legitimatly
 
[citation][nom]g00fysmiley[/nom]you really are a drone if you believe that , stealing is stealing and your educational argument... there is a reason most software companies liek adobe and microsoft offer huge discounts to students so they can learn thier software legitimatly[/citation]

I made the effort of consulting the dictionary:

"the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another"

By copying files you are not taking away something owned by someone else. If I copy your car, how are you hurt by this?

BTW, even with those discounts those software packages are quite expensive.
 
So, is anybody starting to sweat a little?


Well, the comment was meant to be lighthearted but I see that I have offended many people. So let me continue. To all those who thumbed me down, I beseech you to please all get together and write down your divine moral code so that we may all bask in the absolute purity that is you. You buy all of your software, well fantastic for you. Would you like a medal or a chest to pin it on? I am sure that you follow all other rules to the letter as well, never ever have you sped or driven even after a single drink, you all declare extra income from having sold something no matter what the dollar value or in anyway ever done anything against any law as by your attitudes from your postings, you are as pure as newly fallen snow.

Again for the sake of all humanity, tell how you became so enlightened and just. If there is some reason you can't tell us, then may we bask in the glow that must emanate from your very body. Your mere words scribed onto the lowliest of of parchment would in a heartbeat become more holy than any teachings written by anyone. The Analects, The Koran, The Old and New Testament, and The Talmud would all be proven to be false as you people are the Truth.

So perfect that we can lo longer consider you even human, You have become Deity's or even Demigods. Ah, what views you must enjoy from up there. It is indeed a bitter realization that I, a mere flawed mortal, will never be able to attain your majesty. I shall however somehow manage to deal with this bane, maybe by accepting that some people are just born superior. It will be difficult, but I will try.

This is a double post
 
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