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Question 5V ARGB To 12V RGB

DacheZ

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Hello everyone,
I recently built my first pc, the case I'm using is the corsair 4000x, which has the lighting node core and the 3 SP120 fans in the front. They work well with the iCUE app.
But I have an issue with the AIO and the rear fan, the RS120 rear fan and the Corsair Nautilus RS240 AIO, they are 5V ARGB unlike the SP120 fans at the front which are normal 12V RGB.
I connected them to the motherboard (MSI B650 Tomahawk) and they work well with the MSI Center app, but I wish to be able to control all the fans and the AIO through the iCUE app.
Therefore, I was wondering if I can connect the ARGB fans with a 3pin ARGB to a 4pin RGB adapter through the lighting core. Can I damage the RGB hub (AIO/Fans) if I connect ARGB fans to it?
Thank you!
 
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Without details, you cannot plug a standard ARGB light system (3-pin, 5 VDC power) into a header for a plain RGB system (4-pin, 12 VDC power. Doing that will burn out your lights immediately.

That said, your starting point is a set of Corsair fans with lights and a Corsair Lighting Node Core. Because Corsair uses NON-standard connectors and sockets for lighting, the pin count does not help figure this out, and their web pages also use non-standard labels. ONE way to figure is a detail of the actual lights on your AIO and rear fans. An ARGB light system can produce a rainbow display of several colours simultaneously in one fan, whereas a plain RGB light must be all ONE colour in the fan at any one moment, even though its one colour can...
for rs120 only with motherboard or other argb controller and not with icue
Yes, that's how i'm using it right now, but I've seen other people connect argb fans to iCUE, even fans that aren't from corsair. And I was wondering if using a simple 5V to 12V cable is safe to connect to the lighting node core.
 
Yes, that's how i'm using it right now, but I've seen other people connect argb fans to iCUE, even fans that aren't from corsair. And I was wondering if using a simple 5V to 12V cable is safe to connect to the lighting node core.
Not RS fan

You need a hub for argb like this in photo and corsair doesn't have one like this
 
Not RS fan

You need a hub for argb like this in photo and corsair doesn't have one like this
What if I use something like this and connect the ARGB fans to the RGB lighting node core?
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Thank you, that's what I wanted to know, but what's the point of that adapter that I showed in the replies if it's gonna break it?
honestly I don't know, the pin-outs/voltages are completely different so it can't work, unless it's somehow an active adaptor? and IDK if that's even possible

[edit: you might be able to use it to power a 12v RGB from a 5v ARGB, it would just be dimmer, but you could never do it the other way around, and the data pin doesn't even exist in 12V RGB so you would have no control over the color]

rgb-fan-headers.jpg

unless you can find a single controller that will drive both, I've never seen one, you probably just have to control them separately, if you have a 5v ARGB header on your mobo just use that for your ARGB

image source (and some decent info that might help you):
 
honestly I don't know, the pin-outs/voltages are completely different so it can't work, unless it's somehow an active adaptor? and IDK if that's even possible

[edit: you might be able to use it to power a 12v RGB from a 5v ARGB, it would just be dimmer, but you could never do it the other way around, and the data pin doesn't even exist in 12V RGB so you would have no control over the color]

rgb-fan-headers.jpg

unless you can find a single controller that will drive both, I've never seen one, you probably just have to control them separately, if you have a 5v ARGB header on your mobo just use that for your ARGB

image source (and some decent info that might help you):
I'm already using the Mobo argb header, I just wanted to be able to control them all from the iCUE app, that's all. Thank you for the help!
 
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Without details, you cannot plug a standard ARGB light system (3-pin, 5 VDC power) into a header for a plain RGB system (4-pin, 12 VDC power. Doing that will burn out your lights immediately.

That said, your starting point is a set of Corsair fans with lights and a Corsair Lighting Node Core. Because Corsair uses NON-standard connectors and sockets for lighting, the pin count does not help figure this out, and their web pages also use non-standard labels. ONE way to figure is a detail of the actual lights on your AIO and rear fans. An ARGB light system can produce a rainbow display of several colours simultaneously in one fan, whereas a plain RGB light must be all ONE colour in the fan at any one moment, even though its one colour can change a few moments later.

But a better guide here is how you have those fans working now. Your mobo has two headers EACH of the two types, plain RGB (4-pin) and ARGB (3-pin). It uses slightly different labels for these. The 4-pin plain RGB headers are called JRGBn and are at top front (TOP edge) and bottom rear corners of the mobo. The 3-pin ARGB headers are of the newest type called Version 2, so they are labelled as JARGB_V2_n, located on the mobo at top front (FRONT edge) and bottom front just above the bottom edge. You say your rear and AIO fans are working with their lighting cables plugged into WHICH mobo header? IF they are working in the JARGB_V2_n headers, then they are actual ARGB lights (3-pin 5 VDC).

Now, what about the displays on the front SP120 fans supplied with the case and connected to the Lighting Node Core? Can they display a rainbow in ONE fan at a point in time, or only ONE colour through a fan that can change a moment later? If they can do rainbows, then they also ARE ARGB fans, and the Lighting Node Core unit IS a proper ARGB Controller and you CAN connect any other ARGB fans to that source. The trick is that Corsair uses those non-standard ports on the Node Core, but a simple adapter to convert that port to a standard ARGB pinout socket will do the job. The pair you showed in your post above of 4:88 on Dec 5 is right for that.

IF the AIO and rear fans' lighting type (display characteristic) does NOT match those of the front fans, then you can NOT make this connection. There is another way to connect ARGB lights to a plain RGB system with a true signal "translator" that does not give you full ARGB displays, but it can work if you need it.
 
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Without details, you cannot plug a standard ARGB light system (3-pin, 5 VDC power) into a header for a plain RGB system (4-pin, 12 VDC power. Doing that will burn out your lights immediately.

That said, your starting point is a set of Corsair fans with lights and a Corsair Lighting Node Core. Because Corsair uses NON-standard connectors and sockets for lighting, the pin count does not help figure this out, and their web pages also use non-standard labels. ONE way to figure is a detail of the actual lights on your AIO and rear fans. An ARGB light system can produce a rainbow display of several colours simultaneously in one fan, whereas a plain RGB light must be all ONE colour in the fan at any one moment, even though its one colour can change a few moments later.

But a better guide here is how you have those fans working now. Your mobo has two headers EACH of the two types, plain RGB (4-pin) and ARGB (3-pin). It uses slightly different labels for these. The 4-pin plain RGB headers are called JRGBn and are at top front (TOP edge) and bottom rear corners of the mobo. The 3-pin ARGB headers are of the newest type called Version 2, so they are labelled as JARGB_V2_n, located on the mobo at top front (FRONT edge) and bottom front just above the bottom edge. You say your rear and AIO fans are working with their lighting cables plugged into WHICH mobo header? IF they are working in the JARGB_V2_n headers, then they are actual ARGB lights (3-pin 5 VDC).

Now, what about the displays on the front SP120 fans supplied with the case and connected to the Lighting Node Core? Can they display a rainbow in ONE fan at a point in time, or only ONE colour through a fan that can change a moment later? If they can do rainbows, then they also ARE ARGB fans, and the Lighting Node Core unit IS a proper ARGB Controller and you CAN connect any other ARGB fans to that source. The trick is that Corsair uses those non-standard ports on the Node Core, but a simple adapter to convert that port to a standard ARGB pinout socket will do the job. The pair you showed in your post above of 4:88 on Dec 5 is right for that.

IF the AIO and rear fans' lighting type (display characteristic) does NOT match those of the front fans, then you can NOT make this connection. There is another way to connect ARGB lights to a plain RGB system with a true signal "translator" that does not give you full ARGB displays, but it can work if you need it.
So, first of all my rear fan and AIO fans are daisy chained and plugged into one of the JARGB_V2_n header, and the AIO's pump ARGB cable is plugged into the second JARGB_V2_n header.
From what you described, my SP120 fans supplied with the PC Case are most definitely standard RGB fans.
I guess I will have to buy a translator in order to use the iCUE Software to control every led in my PC.
Thank you for the detailed answer!
 
Just want to be SURE about what the Lighting Node Core unit is. You say the fans look like they must be plain RGB, I presume because they never show you any multicolour things like rainbows. There's another thing to look for. At the Lighting Node Core box where the lighting cables for each front SP120 fan are plugged in, look closely at one of those cables at the port. Does it have FOUR wires coming out of the connector, or THREE? A FOUR-wire system would be for plain RGB. A THREE_wire connection (with one wire "missing") would be for an ARGB lighting set. IF those connectors have only THREE wires coming out then I suggest you look into iCUE and see if it CAN create multicolour displays on those front SP120's. If that CAN be done, then those are ARGB lights, and that is the signal type the Lighting Node Core can generate. In that case, post back here because the rest of this is NOT pertinent!

OK, so if you are sure the connections to the PS120's use FOUR wires then they are plain RGB, and what follows is your path.

The actual Converters I spoke of are getting rare! Right now the only one I could find much info on is the Cooler Master Addressable RGB Controller


and even that may be discontinued, so you'd have to look for old stock. NOTE that there are (were) similar products marketed by Cooler Master. THIS one is identified by having FOUR buttons on its top.

This is not JUST a converter. It actually is a complete stand-alone ARGB Controller. Normally it is used with no connection to the mobo, and all configuration is done using the software tool supplied with it, and a connection to a mobo USB2 header for communication. Doing that would only give you what you already have, except that the connection and control for your rear fan etc, would be from this box instead of the mobo JARGB_V2_n headers, and the software tool is different. Alternatively you can use the buttons on its top to make changes manually. No gain there!

But this CAN work as a Converter if you use a couple of its features. First, it comes with two cables to connect your case and mobo places. You start by going to the Front Panel header on your mobo and disconnecting the cable from the front panel RESET switch. Then a connecting cable from a Controller box socket goes to that Front Panel header RESET pin pair and the actual cable from the Front Panel RESET button plugs into another Controller socket. When set up like this way your front panel RESET button becommes the manual way to change light display mode, one push at a time. But if you push and hold that button in for at least 5 sec, that acts like a normal RESET action and resets your computer.

So far, no converter function. On one END of the box are three sopckets, of which the centre one is to connect to a mobo USB2 header for communication with the box. Each of the other two are to connect to a mobo plain RGB (4-pin) and to an ARGB (3-pin) header. That's a way to get external lighting header control signals into the box. In your case, you would connect the 4-pin plain RGB input socket to one of the outputs of your Corsair Controller using a proper adapter for 4-pin plain RGB lights - NOT an adapter for 3-pin ARGB lights. NOTE: even that may be an issue! I could not find any such adapter! All I could find are ones for Corsair Controllers that output THREE-wire ARGB signals from their non-standard ports. That gets the Corsair signal to this Controller box. THEN you use one button on the box (2nd from top) to tell the box to turn over control to the input signal from a mobo plain RGB source (in your case, from the Corsair box). A manual for this Cooler Master Controller is here.

https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81ORIl4McjS.pdf

With all that done the ARGB lights on your rear and AIO fans can be plugged into the ARGB output ports of the Cooler Master box, and that box can be set to do whatever the plain RGB signals from your Corsair Controller request. You must realize that this means you will NOT get all the fancy displays that ARGB lights can do. You get a subset that duplicates whatever a plain RGB system is capable of. Now plain RGB cannot do multicolour displays like rainbows, so the Corsair plain RGB Controller cannot send out any signals to request such. It can request only what plain RGB lights can do.
 
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Just want to be SURE about what the Lighting Node Core unit is. You say the fans look like they must be plain RGB, I presume because they never show you any multicolour things like rainbows. There's another thing to look for. At the Lighting Node Core box where the lighting cables for each front SP120 fan are plugged in, look closely at one of those cables at the port. Does it have FOUR wires coming out of the connector, or THREE? A FOUR-wire system would be for plain RGB. A THREE_wire connection (with one wire "missing") would be for an ARGB lighting set. IF those connectors have only THREE wires coming out then I suggest you look into iCUE and see if it CAN create multicolour displays on those front SP120's. If that CAN be done, then those are ARGB lights, and that is the signal type the Lighting Node Core can generate. In that case, post back here because the rest of this is NOT pertinent!

OK, so if you are sure the connections to the PS120's use FOUR wires then they are plain RGB, and what follows is your path.

The actual Converters I spoke of are getting rare! Right now the only one I could find much info on is the Cooler Master Addressable RGB Controller


and even that may be discontinued, so you'd have to look for old stock. NOTE that there are (were) similar products marketed by Cooler Master. THIS one is identified by having FOUR buttons on its top.

This is not JUST a converter. It actually is a complete stand-alone ARGB Controller. Normally it is used with no connection to the mobo, and all configuration is done using the software tool supplied with it, and a connection to a mobo USB2 header for communication. Doing that would only give you what you already have, except that the connection and control for your rear fan etc, would be from this box instead of the mobo JARGB_V2_n headers, and the software tool is different. Alternatively you can use the buttons on its top to make changes manually. No gain there!

But this CAN work as a Converter if you use a couple of its features. First, it comes with two cables to connect your case and mobo places. You start by going to the Front Panel header on your mobo and disconnecting the cable from the front panel RESET switch. Then a connecting cable from a Controller box socket goes to that Front Panel header RESET pin pair and the actual cable from the Front Panel RESET button plugs into another Controller socket. When set up like this way your front panel RESET button becommes the manual way to change light display mode, one push at a time. But if you push and hold that button in for at least 5 sec, that acts like a normal RESET action and resets your computer.

So far, no converter function. On one END of the box are three sopckets, of which the centre one is to connect to a mobo USB2 header for communication with the box. Each of the other two are to connect to a mobo plain RGB (4-pin) and to an ARGB (3-pin) header. That's a way to get external lighting header control signals into the box. In your case, you would connect the 4-pin plain RGB input socket to one of the outputs of your Corsair Controller using a proper adapter for 4-pin plain RGB lights - NOT an adapter for 3-pin ARGB lights. NOTE: even that may be an issue! I could not find any such adapter! All I could find are ones for Corsair Controllers that output THREE-wire ARGB signals from their non-standard ports. That gets the Corsair signal to this Controller box. THEN you use one button on the box (2nd from top) to tell the box to turn over control to the input signal from a mobo plain RGB source (in your case, from the Corsair box). A manual for this Cooler Master Controller is here.

https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81ORIl4McjS.pdf

With all that done the ARGB lights on your rear and AIO fans can be plugged into the ARGB output ports of the Cooler Master box, and that box can be set to do whatever the plain RGB signals from your Corsair Controller request. You must realize that this means you will NOT get all the fancy displays that ARGB lights can do. You get a subset that duplicates whatever a plain RGB system is capable of. Now plain RGB cannot do multicolour displays like rainbows, so the Corsair plain RGB Controller cannot send out any signals to request such. It can request only what plain RGB lights can do.
Thank you. I will definitely look into that Cooler Master Box, but i did find this video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a32X9lGNr2A

Which recommends this cable: https://www.ebay.com/itm/3734247138...customid=4pincto3pin5050&toolid=20012&mkevt=1

In the description of the cable it says that this should be able to make the ARGB Fans be controllable by iCUE, by connecting it to the lighting node core that comes with my case.
 
The REAL potential for confusion here is the VERY common practice of labelling the two types of lighting system by the number of PINS on the connectors. This first of those two systems to arrive was plain RGB, using FOUR wires and a power supply of 12 VDC. The four wires are a common +12 VDC supply line and three separate Ground lines for Red, Green and Blue LED's in the lighting strip. Manipulating the flow of current returning from each LED colour group allows the system to produce a huge range of colours by mixing, but ALL of the lighting unit must be ONE colour at any moment. The second system is designed differently and uses THREE wires. The wires carry the +5 VDC power supply (note the voltage difference), Ground, and a digital packet control signal line. Along a light strip in this system are NODES, each consisting go three LED's (Red, Green, Blue) and a tiny chip. Each chip has its own unique address and it listens to the control line and responds only to data packets sent to its address, then does what that asks with its own three LED's. Thus each node on the strip can be a mix of three colours different from all the others in the strip, and more complex displays are possible. This is called an ADDRESSABLE RGB system because of the use of addressed digital control data packets.

For ease, we label these as 4-pin or 3-pin lighting systems. It happens that Corsair, a major maker of computer peripherals, got their 4-pin RGB lighting products to market early using a connector design that others did NOT follow, and thus they are using "non-standard" connectors. Since that time they also brought out lights of the newer ARGB design, but it makes no real sense for them to abandon the connectors and sockets they already were using, so they kept their 4-pin connectors in the new system components. In their ARGB units they simply do not use all four pins. So the lighting cables for their ARGB units still have 4-pin latching connectors on the end, but one pin is NOT used and the cable to the device has only THREE wires. That is why I said to examine those cables and wires where they plug into the Light Node Core for how many wires are involved. THAT will tell you what type of lighting system is in the fans supplied with the case in the front.

Virtually ALL of the adapter cables I have seen that claim to allow you to connect lights with "standard" connectors to Corsair Controllers are simply a way to make connections from one connector to another type so they fit physically with the right electrical connections. BUT they ALL are for use ONLY with ARGB (THREE-wire) lights even though the Corsair end of the adapter cable has space for four contacts. They CAN be used IF your Corsair system is their version of ARGB. Since your rear and AIO fans have ARGB lighting in them, that is the signal type they require. IF your Corsair Lighting Node Core unit is sending those out using THREE wires to your front fans, then you CAN use such an adapter cable to send the same signal to your other fans. BUT if your Lighting Node Core unit sends out signals to the front fans using FOUR wires, and if those front fans are limited to only the single-colour type of display of plain RGB lights, then you can NOT connect the two directly. That is when you need a Converter device to allow you to control the new fans' lights from the Corsair unit.
 
The REAL potential for confusion here is the VERY common practice of labelling the two types of lighting system by the number of PINS on the connectors. This first of those two systems to arrive was plain RGB, using FOUR wires and a power supply of 12 VDC. The four wires are a common +12 VDC supply line and three separate Ground lines for Red, Green and Blue LED's in the lighting strip. Manipulating the flow of current returning from each LED colour group allows the system to produce a huge range of colours by mixing, but ALL of the lighting unit must be ONE colour at any moment. The second system is designed differently and uses THREE wires. The wires carry the +5 VDC power supply (note the voltage difference), Ground, and a digital packet control signal line. Along a light strip in this system are NODES, each consisting go three LED's (Red, Green, Blue) and a tiny chip. Each chip has its own unique address and it listens to the control line and responds only to data packets sent to its address, then does what that asks with its own three LED's. Thus each node on the strip can be a mix of three colours different from all the others in the strip, and more complex displays are possible. This is called an ADDRESSABLE RGB system because of the use of addressed digital control data packets.

For ease, we label these as 4-pin or 3-pin lighting systems. It happens that Corsair, a major maker of computer peripherals, got their 4-pin RGB lighting products to market early using a connector design that others did NOT follow, and thus they are using "non-standard" connectors. Since that time they also brought out lights of the newer ARGB design, but it makes no real sense for them to abandon the connectors and sockets they already were using, so they kept their 4-pin connectors in the new system components. In their ARGB units they simply do not use all four pins. So the lighting cables for their ARGB units still have 4-pin latching connectors on the end, but one pin is NOT used and the cable to the device has only THREE wires. That is why I said to examine those cables and wires where they plug into the Light Node Core for how many wires are involved. THAT will tell you what type of lighting system is in the fans supplied with the case in the front.

Virtually ALL of the adapter cables I have seen that claim to allow you to connect lights with "standard" connectors to Corsair Controllers are simply a way to make connections from one connector to another type so they fit physically with the right electrical connections. BUT they ALL are for use ONLY with ARGB (THREE-wire) lights even though the Corsair end of the adapter cable has space for four contacts. They CAN be used IF your Corsair system is their version of ARGB. Since your rear and AIO fans have ARGB lighting in them, that is the signal type they require. IF your Corsair Lighting Node Core unit is sending those out using THREE wires to your front fans, then you CAN use such an adapter cable to send the same signal to your other fans. BUT if your Lighting Node Core unit sends out signals to the front fans using FOUR wires, and if those front fans are limited to only the single-colour type of display of plain RGB lights, then you can NOT connect the two directly. That is when you need a Converter device to allow you to control the new fans' lights from the Corsair unit.
Hmm okay, I understand.
Thank you for your help!