6800GS vs X800GTO (AGP versions): The final word

[cleeve]

I found some 7300 GS benches:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2006/test_nvidia_geforce_7300_gs/9/

Here's alot of them. It looks like the 7300 GS is usually bested by the X1300 PRO, and the 6600 GT is better than both...

Now from my experience, the 9700 PRO is better than the X1300 PRO, and in the league of the 6600.

 

[shabodah]

Ok, the 6600 is definately better than all those mentioned. My experience with 1300 shows it to be great for some things, and very poor for others. I would definately place it above the 7300gs and would most people, but in my experiences all these cards are pretty big step down from the 6600. The 6600 is a big step down from the real players, x8xx, 18xx, 19xx, 6800xx, 7600xx, 7800xx, 7900xx. People really interested in gaming should probably stay at or above 6600/1600 levels, don't you think?

 

[shabodah]

Uh, the benches are all higher res than I am talking about playing at. All the mentioned cards are not even near playable at those settings. I had actually found a few other benches myself, but I was hoping for some in English. My experience with 1300/9700 shows them to be awefully similiar, got to keep in mind the 1300 is capable of things that the 9700 won't attempt and it will try to do them, poorly. Just like a x800xx card can get out more frames under certain situations than 1600xx can.

 

[cleeve]

Your experience differs from my own on that point.

I've played with both 9700 PROs and X1300's, and IMHO a 9700 PRO will beat it every time. I haven't done any benchmarks though so that's purely subjective mind you.

I've used HDR in Half Life 2 with my 9700 PRO and it ate it up... performed really well.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

I've used HDR in Half Life 2 with my 9700 PRO and it ate it up... performed really well in 800x600.

Fixed :|

 

[darth_farter]

While the 6800GS has Shader Model 3.0, it is too weak to utilize it in any fashion.

Do you even know what SM3.0 is?....I'm betting you dont. HDR is the only function that the 6800GS might struggle with, but it is still useable in games like Fart Cry.

If the settings of any game with Shader Model 3 were set at high, the 6800GS wouldn't handle it effectivly anyway. It's a useless bulletpoint.

For fuccks sakes dude, try playing any PS3.0 game with your GTO on "high" settings, and your card will piss all over itself :roll:

At least the 6800GS has the ability, the card you have doesnt even meet the criterium of what we're talking about. :roll:


tnx, RMT is being retarded...

and to prove it:
http://www.inno3d.com/review/vrzone_gf_6800gs_p6.htm

be aware of fanbois ppl.

 

[Scougs]

I just thought that I would point out that the benchmarks that from the link are for a PCIe 6800GS which is clocked much different than the AGP version.

 

[pauldh]

Exactly what I was thinking. In PCI-e the 6800GS> X800GTO. In AGP, the X800GTO>= 6800GS at stock speeds.

 

[pauldh]

I see a Gecube X800XL for $179 + $5 shipping but no other AGP versions. The Gecube isn't even in stock. Am I missing something?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814241010
Back in stock, grab one before they are gone. The X800XL is a clear winner over the other two. In Oblivion, the X800XL will absolutely destroy the 6800GS when running fsaa, scoring 50% better framerates in the foliage than a comparable GF6800GT.

 

[Hameedo]

.2

 

[Hameedo]

my poor opinion ...conisdering next generation graphics ..6800GS is your way to go ...
1- it's perofrmance in openGL application is leading (DOOM Quake 4 and the incoming Quake wars ) ..X800GTO cann't even keep up ...

2-support shader model 3 ..I know 5 vertex shaders is not that enough ..but the 6600GT's 3 vertex shaders have done an excellent job in FAR CRY . not to mention that a recent game ( tomb raider legends ) divided it visual settings into two parts : current generation and next generation ...ATI cards cann't reach next gen because they don't support SM3 ...

fianlly here is a conclusion of VR-zone says that : "The results from the previous pages have pretty much summed things up. In almost all cases, the GeForce 6800GS enjoyed an upper hand in terms of gaming performance. To top it off, NVIDIA made sure that these cards get delivered to your favorite retailer's shelves after they were launched. Kudos to NVIDIA on that part. "

 

[pmr]

What about x850Pro over that two?
How much does that cost in US?

 

[TurdBurglar]

What kind of overclocking potential does the X800XL have with the R430 core. I assume not much.

 

[Scougs]

No, the R430 doesn't overcock much. Maybe 30-40 MHz over the stock 400MHz.

 

[TurdBurglar]

16 pipes at 440mhz isn't bad though. Know anything about how far the memory will typically go?

 

[cleeve]

fianlly here is a conclusion of VR-zone says that : "The results from the previous pages have pretty much summed things up. In almost all cases, the GeForce 6800GS enjoyed an upper hand in terms of gaming performance.

You have to keep in mind, the AGP 6800 GS is inferior to the PCIe part that was reviewed.

AGP 6800 GS' are really pipe-disabled 6800 GTs... with lower clockspeeds than the PCIe 6800GS. In PCIe, the 6800 GS is a 90nm part, in AGP it's the old 130nm part. So the AGP part has very little overclockability, too.

In PCIe the 6800 GS rocks, but the AGP part is basically an overclocked vanilla 6800... of course, there is a chance of unlocking pipes, but it's not guaranteed, and stock the X800 GTO AGP stacks up better.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

[and stock the X800 GTO AGP stacks up better.

The AGP GTO's selling now are junk, and dont overclock well at all. You will get much better performance out of an overclocked 6800GS, and if the pipes unlock(which they could) then you have a much better card.

 

[Scougs]

Many of the AGP Sapphire X800GTOs will unlock to 16 pipes which turns them into X800XLs. I have one that unlocked and a guy from my school has one that unlocked. I also know of a few other guys that I am going to help see if they can unlock their cards.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

Many of the AGP Sapphire X800GTOs will unlock to 16 pipes which turns them into X800XLs. I have one that unlocked and a guy from my school has one that unlocked. I also know of a few other guys that I am going to help see if they can unlock their cards.

Some of the R430 core GTO's will unlock, yes......you must have one of those. Dont compare it to an X800XL because you are getting nowhere near the performance.

As a matter fact, put up a 3dmark05 link would you?

 

[pauldh]

OT, but what cpu are you getting for the Asrock?

 

[Scougs]

Why wouldn't an unlocked R430 GTO have the same performance as an XL?
They both have the same number of pipes and they are both clocked the same. They even both have the same GPU. What is the difference?

I don't know how to put up a 3DMark link but I can tell you that I scored about 5500 in 05 with my card slightly overclocked which is higher than the score for an AGP X800XL on Toms AGP VGA list.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

OT, but what cpu are you getting for the Asrock?

Dude...I am fucking broke right now(for a while) and will probably grab a 3300+? Venice core for about $130.00. If you could point me in the right direction Paul, I would appreciate it.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

I don't know how to put up a 3DMark link

:roll:

but I can tell you that I scored about 5500 in 05 with my card slightly overclocked which is higher than the score for an AGP X800XL on Toms AGP VGA list.

You need to put up a link....and FYI...that score is still lower then the stock(but overclocked) 12pp GTO that I had in my machine.

No bios flashes, just a card from Newegg. You make my point for me that the current GTO's being sold are poopoo.

It cracks me up that people on this forum(Cleeve, Prozac, Paul) recomend one of these R430 GTO's over the many different varieties of 6800GS's that are available, and the success rate of unlocking a 6800GS is much higher then that of unlocking an AGP GTO PooPoo to 16 pipes.

Take a look at this bad-ass 6800GS, and tell me that you'd take a poor overclocking, R430 core'd GTO over it :roll:

 

[pauldh]

OT, but what cpu are you getting for the Asrock?

Dude...I am ****** broke right now(for a while) and will probably grab a 3300+? Venice core for about $130.00. If you could point me in the right direction Paul, I would appreciate it.

3000+ venice and 3200+ venice have started to move down in price finally. I'll PM you some links if I see and better bargains. I recently got a 3000+ venice from this site seeing how they were the cheapest by far at the time. Mine was $10 more than this. $118 shipped free for a retail box S939; not that you'd be using that heatsink I take it.
http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=CU-131-110

 

[GeneticWeapon]

not that you'd be using that heatsink I take it.
http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=CU-131-110

I will be using a boxed HSF!..

Thanks for the help