Actual deneb review/comparison to Intel

[roofus]

that's a great thing! correct me if i am wrong jaydee because i know you are up on it but isnt the top p2 preliminarily priced around 300 USD?

 

[spathotan]

Yea, the "rumored" price awhile ago was like $275. And all the pre-sale listings have it at or above $300.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Around that price point, tho thats intro

 

[rangers]

And what was the get a life comment about, Just ignorant.

sorry im wrong your right, beg your forgiveness for being a di*k, but as i said overclockers used to overcharge

 

[roofus]

ok. i was thinking that just too lazy to look lol

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Maybe Intel is already lowering prices? Hmmmm

 

[spathotan]

Maybe Intel is already lowering prices? Hmmmm

If they are it hasnt hit retailers yet.

 

[roofus]

that will be something to watch. a struggling economy is a perfect excuse to sell CPU's dirt cheap to hurt your competition

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

May not be globally tho, just certain markets

 

[spathotan]

Well, price drops are of course welcomed. But with this economy and my job in jeopardy right now and getting worse and worse each day, any plans I had to get a new chip might be nixed. I might have to settle for a E8500, at least it will be better than this Q6600 and run cooler......

Actually I would probably get the Xeon E3110

 

[radnor]

May not be globally tho, just certain markets

■ South American market is always on the cheapo. This of course from personal experience. Although Chile has a nice "real" per-capita income, we can't say the same about Brazil, Peru, Argentina, Venezuela, Mexico. Although the per capita income there is quite high, it is not real due to a great disparity between the classes.

■ Asian markets differ too much from country to country. I don't much future for i7 core there. Maybe Japan or Korea.
Vietnam, Bangladesh, China, North Korea, Paquistan, India....the list long and the problems of south america partially fit this bill also. Maybe in the middle east with Saudi Arabia and OPEC nations.

■ Europe markets yes defenantly. But with falling BP the next batch of imported goods will be more expensive for the UK. With a lagging auto and contruction industry, i can't see this product thriving. Just because we aren't all feeling the crisis, doesn't mean it doesn't exist for a vast portion of Europeans. And most peopel i know that use this kinds of products have the money to buy them without a problem, but splating 600€ on a cpu+board when your job is hanging by a wire, seems foolish no ?

■ African markets should be almost non-existant for this kind of products. Again from personal exprience. Maybe South Africa and thats it. Congo, Zimbabue, Mozambique, Angola, Serra Leoa, Cabo Verde , Morocco, Egipt, Libya and many others.

■ North American markets should be the prime markets for this kind of products. Even with a weak dollar, hardware for this level of hardware is cheaper, this indicates the volume imported is much bigger.

■Oceanic Markets are not bad, but low populated compared to the rest.

These forums gather people from everywhere in the world. Iv'e seem Chilean, Iranian, Brazilian, i'm portuguese living in Spain, Spanish, etc.

600€ is more than the minimum wage in many countries, and this include the EU as well. For the exception of the North American market, can't see any other one this product will be mainstream. I doubt it will come strong for now. OEMs know the Economy isn't that great to present the next best thing, with a hefty price premium.

Is Nehalem a great product ? Of course it is, that is undeniable.
A I7 920 it is 5 times better than Athlon X2 7750 BE ? No it isn't, but it cost 5 times more. This excluding plataform costs (Board+RAM).

 

[gallag]

■
Is Nehalem a great product ? Of course it is, that is undeniable.
A I7 920 it is 5 times better than Athlon X2 7750 BE ? No it isn't, but it cost 5 times more. This excluding plataform costs (Board+RAM).

Still exaggerating? On what planet does a i7-920 cost 5x a x2 7750? Does the truth even matter to you? Why do you continue to make i7 out to be far more expensive than it is? For your records a x27750 is £80.49 so it is about 2.8 times more expensive than a i7 but depending on what you are doing the i7 will be more than 2.8 times as fast.

 

[spathotan]

Here in the US the 7750 is $78, i7 920 is $295. So its a little under 4 times as much.

 

[radnor]

Still exaggerating? On what planet does a i7-920 cost 5x a x2 7750? Does the truth even matter to you? Why do you continue to make i7 out to be far more expensive than it is? For your records a x27750 is £80.49 so it is about 2.8 times more expensive than a i7 but depending on what you are doing the i7 will be more than 2.8 times as fast.

Here in Spain a 7750 x2 is about 70€. A i7 920 is 320€. It is a 5 times diference. Not counting board or ram costs. And unless you are heading for a very specific usage, it is hardly 5x times performance improvement.

 

[spathotan]

Not to be picky but that's still not 5 times the cost. But I get your point and agree.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I guess it depends on which market as well, looking at the 2 examples given ,2.8 vs lil under 4x

 

[gallag]

Here in Spain a 7750 x2 is about 70€. A i7 920 is 320€. It is a 5 times diference. Not counting board or ram costs. And unless you are heading for a very specific usage, it is hardly 5x times performance improvement.

What shop do you use in spain? Link?

 

[amdfangirl]

The tech in Australia is worse.
Boxed Pentium III 600MX - $1375

Don't talk about Blu-ray yet.
HP CD-R drive - $560

http://www.ingesys.com.au/ - the site of my local computer store =P (It's a joke, the site hasn't been updated in years)

 

[spathotan]

The tech in Australia is worse.
Boxed Pentium III 600MX - $1375

Don't talk about Blu-ray yet.
HP CD-R drive - $560

http://www.ingesys.com.au/ - the site of my local computer store =P (It's a joke, the site hasn't been updated in years)

LOL!!!!! $160 for a 16mb TNT Seems like it was last updated in 1999

 

[gallag]

using a price comparison site the cheapest x2 7750 in Spain is 70.53euro and the cheapest i7 is 248.90 thats about 3.5x the price.

 

[radnor]

What shop do you use in spain? Link?

Several.

The only E-tailer is cheaper (www.pccomponentes.es) but i prefer the B&M stores. Ussually a 10€-15€ diference between them, and that you will spend on transportation costs.

So i ussually go PcBox, PcCoste or APP Informatica. Any spanish roaming this forums will know you ussually get nice prices from this stores. Maybe not the best, but ussually very nice.

 

[radnor]

using a price comparison site the cheapest x2 7750 in Spain is 70.53euro and the cheapest i7 is 248.90 thats about 3.5x the price.

Within the realm of prices. I've seen I7 920 on those price, but they were out of stock. Lol.

Anyway, for me (gaming) the cheapest i7 only gives me bragging rights. And for those there are much better things to do. An i7 would not give me 3.5x fps jump over a 7750 x2.

That is just my point. It is a great CPU. That's undeniable. But it is hardly practicle for everybody. Even if you have the cash to burn.

 

[yipsl]

looks like Phenom II is pretty even with the Q9000 series. i7 is faster in most cases but I wonder how PhII will compare against the more mainstream i5 when they come out in late 2009...

It will probably lose until AMD ditches SOI and goes to HK for second generation Phenom II. Still, I don't think it will lose by much against the mainstream. It should be priced accordingly.

What I can't wait is for the recession to be over and to see AMD's next architecture. Hopefully, that won't arrive "just" competing against end of life Core 2 quads and mainstream i5's, but high end i7's plus Intel's next architecture.

It's a fun horse race to watch, isn't it?

PhII is pretty much what the original phenom should have been...

That's true. I just couldn't wait and upgraded from an Athlon X2 4600+ on a 690V to my current Phenom and 780G. I don't know if there will be any Phenom II support for my board, but if there is, I'll upgrade late in 2009 or early 2010.

Ideally, I'd want to see 65 watt Phenom II's down the line that work in budget boards.

we'll probally see a Dual-Quad core setup like what was planed for last year. Like where you can run 2 Phenom II X4 on one mortherboard.

Noooo, not on the desktop. That's a loser situation that most people see as just marketing. I'm one AMD fan who thinks that such setups from both AMD and Intel are just for show and benchmarking. Servers are a different story.

If they care that little about what they buy, they won't notice the difference between an AMD IGP and an Intel IGP, and their choice of CPU will be based on what's cheapest, not what's best; even if the buyers would pay more for a better CPU, the OEMs will stick in the cheapest that they can sell into that part of the market.

While most friends and family members ask me to build their PC's, some have asked me what graphics is best between two similarly priced OEM machines at Fry's. I've tried to give the best advice I could when they bought an OEM and recommended AMD or Nvidia IGP's depending on their two choices. I've never recommended Intel.

When they decide to try a game that an IGP can't handle, but don't want to spend much, I look at the game's specs and recommend the $50-75 card that will at least get them into the game. Then I install it for them.

People do care, they just don't always want a custom build, and when they find even the best IGP isn't enough, they want advice in their price range. I'm sure most of us here have had friends or relatives in that situation.

Just something to add, someone said no one will notice the difference between Intel's IGP and AMD's (or Nvidia's, they're roughly equal). I find that very wrong. AMD's HD 3200 IGP used in their 780G and 790GX chipsets can run blu-ray with the worst of processors, and are fully DX10 compliant. The HD 3200 can even manage light gaming on older games on medium settings, which isn't including their sideport memory option (which takes away any bandwidth bottlenecking that might be occuring). People will notice the difference the moment they load up Sims 2 and play it on low or high(er).

Quite true. When I had to return a failed 3870x2 (dratted resistors most likely), I still could game in LOTRO at 1280 x 1024 at high/medium settings. Maybe I could have still played it with an Intel IGP (after all, Mines of Moria's minimum is a Radeon 8500) but I bet it would have been low settings with stuttering.

My kid played Spore, Fate II and the only teen rated game we allowed him (Morrowind) with an HD3200 on a 780G. They didn't look too much better with a 3650. He'll get a 4830 soon.

You can't beat AMD chipsets and IGP's, and Nvidia's not far behind. Intel doesn't care about IGP because they sell to more businesses. Everyone I know who tried to use Intel IGP's and decided they wanted recent games ended up getting a cheap add in card from ATI or Nvidia.

 

[jimmysmitty]

The tech in Australia is worse.
Boxed Pentium III 600MX - $1375

Don't talk about Blu-ray yet.
HP CD-R drive - $560

http://www.ingesys.com.au/ - the site of my local computer store =P (It's a joke, the site hasn't been updated in years)

Ouch. That hurts. I got a Blu Ray drive fo my PC for christmas that was just $120 bucks. And I love it.

Stupid high taxes and prices. And yet Australia gets some cars made by FPV (Fords racing division in Australia, equivalent to SVT) that would PWN a lot of the ones we have here.....

 

[gallag]

Within the realm of prices. I've seen I7 920 on those price, but they were out of stock. Lol.

Anyway, for me (gaming) the cheapest i7 only gives me bragging rights. And for those there are much better things to do. An i7 would not give me 3.5x fps jump over a 7750 x2.

That is just my point. It is a great CPU. That's undeniable. But it is hardly practicle for everybody. Even if you have the cash to burn.

Your arguments continue to be lame at best, You first exaggerate when there is no real need to do so, Of course a slower dual core is going to be cheaper than a high end quad. Why not apply your logic and ask is a x2 7750 going to be twice as fast as the half the price celeron dual core? What is your point?