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Umm, where did I mention i7? I was comparing it to a Q6600 aka Kentsfield... and in general it is still slightly slower. If you want to get excited over 1 - 2% differences in high res gaming be my guest, but the truth is that the CPU has little relevance in those tests, its more a GPU benchmark.
 


With the caveat that this is just one pre-NDA bench, with a lot of unknowns, I agree that this one bench of gaming on a single GPU doesn't show any significant advantage for P2 or any other CPU in the comparison. So if this bench holds up when the Tom's & AT and other sites do their comparisons, then I don't see P2 as compelling any upgrade for anybody except those already having an AM2 board. Certainly no reason for somebody with a Q6600 or better to switch. And if they have a couple high-end graphics cards in SLI or Xfire, then they'd probably consider the i7 as being the better upgrade path anyway.
 
ohh i dont believe that for a minute. i imagine p2 bullies p1 around and then some. man do we need some better benchmarks with better explanations. cant be right.
 
lol.... the p2 will perform at the same levels as the Q intel series. please stop the hating. only thing that beats the p2 is the corei7, mmmmk?? lets just wait till we see prices to decide which is truly better.
 
Im still sticking with my guesstimate of 2-3% faster than Kentsfield, falling somewheres in between Kent and Yorkie. From everything Ive seen, its my best guess. Also, following the Agena to kentsfield link, those apps can actually be used in your pc, unlike fritz etc, so real world moreso on that link
 


Right... 'cos P2 is sticking with the core2 extremes and high end nehalems...

The only reason P2 is gonna be competitive is a lower price. With RV770 ATI could dictate the price points to Nvidia from high to low end.



P2 is a shrunk P1 that uses less power, has more cache and a few other refinements.

Much like RV670 was a shrunk RV600 that uses less power and has a few other refinements (otherwise it would have been DX10 rather than DX10.1).
 
I thought I read somewhere that the Phenom II was going to be compatible with AM3 down the road. The only change necessary would be a AM3 compatible board. Have I misinterpreted this?

Also, I will be revamping my entire rig relatively shortly. This processor is quite intriguing, and I hope it does well. Honestly, if it close in performance ot the Q9XXX or even the Q6600 I will probably buy it in hopes of helping AMD somewhat.

If AMD doesn't do something similar to what they did with their 48XX GPUs with processors in the near future, it may be bad news for us consumers, as Intel will still have justification in charging higher prices for their CPUs.

Competition is always good for the consumer. That is why I really haven't ever been a fanboy, but rather root for the underdog.

Also, as many have said, there just isn't enough data. We have no idea about $/Watt, or things of that nature. I think the P2 is supposed to launch tomorrow?
 


i am guessing gains above 3% myself. i bet it stand toe to toe with yorkies and probably trades punches depending on the benchmark.
 


As I said in the other thread, there is no way you can conclude that from this test, since there is no PII data at all, and you can't extrapolate these results into the existing data as the test benches are totally different! The Q6600 is also using an outdated P965 chipset, modern chipsets have better performance and the delta would be greater between Agena + Kentsfield.
 
so even if the Q series was 20% faster but the phenom 2 cost only a little more than the p1, i would still consider the p2 the better bang for the buck. either way it seems like a win win for amd.
 
I posted that here as well because you posted it here also. Ill also repost this http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2edinoxpc%2ecom%2fTests%2farticoli%2farticolo%2findex%2easp%3fid%3d866
Again, youll see a far greater increasebetween the P1 going to the P2. And as was said earlier, the data we do have is on P1 vs Q6600, which are both matured systems, which wehavnt seen with P2, and wont for awhile yet, so the difference between P1 and P2 is sure to grow in P2's favor as well
 


Once the initial gouging period is over PII 920 should be ~$230 and PII 940 ~$280 (according to XS) which are very reasonable prices IMO but well above current Phenom prices.
 
I think, overall, itll help everything. Bring the Intel prices down for competitions sake, and in this economy, for both their sakes. And, lower prices is good for us. Its just good to see real competition again
 
Yea, but given Intels new numbers that came out earlier, Im thinking thetre relying more on those older quads for money than the i7s at this time, as its just too expensive. Just like P2 isnt a must buy, neither is i7, but, upgrading from old systems, and first time buyers, theyll be looking at P2 alot more than i7, just because of pricing
 
Intel by their own admission doesnt anticipate greater than 5% market for their i7's and that was thrown out there before the wheels fell off the economy's wagon. i7 is a niche market CPU. the cost alone dictates that.
 
^The i7 isn't truly a niche market CPU. If it was then there would only be the Extreme one. The fact that it has a very low price one means it will be able to be in more areas than just one. I mean the X mobos don't stay at $300 their entire life span. Some drop down to a nice $150 level, which to me is great.
 
Anandtech mentioned rumors of Intel price cuts at the end of January. So, that will hurt Phenom II in the short term, but I think the upcoming 880G boards will influence people towards the wider range of AM3 Phenom II's.

i7 won't have a board to compete at that price/IGP performance, unless Nvidia comes out with one real soon. i5 is on the horizon, but so are more Phenom II's and that move to HKMG is supposed to come before 32nm and Bulldozer, but that's further away.

Since I just learned this morning that my wife's ASUS 690G board has a bios that supports the 8750, she'll get my current CPU once I get a Phenom II in a few weeks.

Big decision, 920 or 940? I don't overclock, so that's not a factor with the 940.

 



I still think in terms of niche market. Enthusiasts, Workstations, etc. The i5 will be their mainstream along with what I am sure will be a flood of more affordable motherboard options. The i5 will have to come out of the gate swinging since it will be in the same depths as the P2.
 
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNyw1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I like what HardOCP did; don't test at the resolutions where the GPU holds you back, test at low resolutions in order to truly determine what the CPU is capable of. When you do a fair comparison, Phenom II gets hosed every single time.
 


i7 itself isn't the cost problem, its the $250 for a i7 motherboard thats the issue.
 
Look if your building a new system intels Q9550 is all you
need to beat AMD's best, and what's good about that is both
systems cost about the same.
Phenom II is a good upgrade chip just like the Q9550 is
good upgrade chip for anyone with a p35 or later MB from
the Q6600.
Now if you want more then these two system can offer
then intels the only game in town.

What happened to the 4.0 4.2Ghz overclock on air, no
one testing these chips could pull it off, and clock for
clock the phenom II's are not equal to core 2's.

Phenom II is a budget cpu, it compete with the lower
intel cpu's which is the Q9300 and in some cases the
Q9400 and if you overclock these 2 intel chips the
phenom II falls short.
 
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