AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[de5_Roy]

I did wonder whether there would be something new coming when I saw that several manufacturers had displayed some new 9-series boards at one of the trade shows recently (I forget which). I mean, why release new boards for a dying platform?

Of course, this could just as easily be an FM2 chip, as the FX brand doesn't just mean "unlocked chip with L3 cach" any more.

asrock and msi iirc.
http://www.techpowerup.com/202248/msi-officially-announces-the-970-gaming-am3-motherboard.html

it could be a socket fm2+ chip e.g. igpu-less apus being branded as fx. the box art in the teaser image was unusually (intentionally?) devoid of information.

 

[etayorius]

I did wonder whether there would be something new coming when I saw that several manufacturers had displayed some new 9-series boards at one of the trade shows recently (I forget which). I mean, why release new boards for a dying platform?

Of course, this could just as easily be an FM2 chip, as the FX brand doesn't just mean "unlocked chip with L3 cach" any more.

asrock and msi iirc.
http://www.techpowerup.com/202248/msi-officially-announces-the-970-gaming-am3-motherboard.html

it could be a socket fm2+ chip e.g. igpu-less apus being branded as fx. the box art in the teaser image was unusually (intentionally?) devoid of information.

I doubt it, remember that Piledriver will extend through 2015 on AM3+.

Most likely more Piledriver crap clock higer still on AM3+.

 

[vmN]

FX 9999 Stock frequency at 5.0GHz with a turbo on 5.2GHz seems reasonable

 

[con635]

I wonder will it be a higher clocked vishera or tweaked like richland and higher clocked?

 

[jdwii]

@juanrga: You need to read between the lines...it is what he is not saying that matters most there...

EDIT: AMD do not have the resources to facilitate the port entirely themselves...though they will make the API entirely open source, allowing anyone to openly integrate MANTLE into their OS. (like Valve or Canonical for example)

Hum! I have been discussing if AMD ports or not MANTLE to linux. I have been discussing that in a former interview Huddy promised AMD would devote resources to port MANTLE to linux and in last interview he retracts.

Leaving others to do the work has little merit.

Unlike Intel/Nvidia, AMD doesn't seem interested in SteamOS really. I can smell why.

Maybe that petition worked after all.

LOL

It is a 12-core 6.31GHz Excavator-based FX-10001 CPU on IBM FDSOI 22nm for AM4 socket

/sarcasm

I wish but no Amd would rather not make much money.
Edit i also love how you act like you don't want some high-end CPU from Amd?

I want them competitive and well-prepared for the future. You want them out of business like the rest of the blue/green people here.

And you came up with that in your head? You obviously don't want them competitive if you only want them to make I3 knock off's. Also i want Amd to be the best again in CPU performance so it pushes intel.

 

[jdwii]

Got a love that fanboys call us XXX users(never bought a Intel CPU for me ever only buy them for others since they are better per dollar at every single pricepoint) when we state the facts since they can't live with them they use fallacious arguments.

 

[de5_Roy]

Got a love that fanboys call us XXX users(never bought a Intel CPU for me ever only buy them for others since they are better per dollar at every single pricepoint) when we state the facts since they can't live with them they use fallacious arguments.

fallacious arguments aren't worth the time. simply point out the fallacy as early as possible and move on.

 

[jdwii]

Also i would be more excited seeing how a A10 kaveri(FM2+) would do on water maybe have it clocked at 4.4-4.6Ghz for just 220$(same as I5) might do pretty good. Maybe even make one without a iGPU. Based on my benchmarks a Kaveri at 4.6Ghz should equal a I5 at 3.0-3.2Ghz in most benchmarks evolving the CPU. Might not be as bad as a 220 watt CPU. The sad thing is it would probably be priced to high to be compare to anything(per dollar) outside of Amd.

 

[helloguy123]

By the way AMD's next CPU will be called "K12" and apparently it will have a 50% improvement over and AMD FX CPU right now

 

[juanrga]

By the way AMD's next CPU will be called "K12" and apparently it will have a 50% improvement over and AMD FX CPU right now

K12 is not a CPU but a new ARM architecture that will be used in future APUs/CPUs. I discussed the possible performance of K12 before

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-264#13297034

the 46% increase over Piledriver that I got is an expected lower limit.

 

[jdwii]

I want them competitive and well-prepared for the future. You want them out of business like the rest of the blue/green people here.

And you came up with that in your head?

You and others here only post misinformation, lies, and nonsense about AMD or about anything related to AMD. I sill remember your nonsense/lies about ARM and print servers, which you posted after AMD announced the very promising Skybridge project.

So lets get this straight everyone but you post nonsense, we have someone(8350rocks) who actually went to the Amd event and actually reveled his source and proved it however you from Spain knows more about this American company? Odd to say the least

Edit also again we would never use an Arm CPU why would we? Everything is going quite well on are X86 platform all are software is written for it why move for know reason to get lower performance? In the U.S power isn't an issue most of the time, performance is.

 

[juanrga]

FX 9999 Stock frequency at 5.0GHz with a turbo on 5.2GHz seems reasonable

or 5.0/5.3GHz. In any case it will be accompanied by some "first commercial processor that breaks 5GHz barrier".

 

[juanrga]

So lets get this straight everyone but you post nonsense, we have someone(8350rocks) who actually went to the Amd event and actually reveled his source and proved it however you from Spain knows more about this American company? Odd to say the least

This kind of argument was made before and I answered it in page 277.

Edit also again we would never use an Arm CPU why would we? Everything is going quite well on are X86 platform all are software is written for it why move for know reason to get lower performance? In the U.S power isn't an issue most of the time, performance is.

This misconception was also made before and I corrected it in page 276. Moreover I have given recently a news about Russian government replacing AMD/Intel x86 computers by ARM based ones. The motivation was not power consumption.

I hope that you don't return with something answered/corrected in page 275

 

[de5_Roy]

AMD A8-6410 "Beema" APU shipped in HP notebooks
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014062101_AMD_A8-6410_Beema_APU_shipped_in_HP_notebooks.html
AMD’s Radeon R9 290X Hawaii XT GPU might not be the full chip after all
http://videocardz.com/50947/amds-radeon-r9-290x-hawaii-xt-gpu-might-full-chip

 

[juanrga]

Disappointing hotchips, no info about Excavator/Carrizo, but Kaveri talk once again.

http://www.hotchips.org/

At least Nvidia will present its Denver core

 

[vmN]

AMD’s Radeon R9 290X Hawaii XT GPU might not be the full chip after all
http://videocardz.com/50947/amds-radeon-r9-290x-hawaii-xt-gpu-might-full-chip

I somehow doubt this. If the R9 290x wasn't the full chip, they would have released it after the 780ti.

Something smells fishy...

 

[de5_Roy]

I somehow doubt this. If the R9 290x wasn't the full chip, they would have released it after the 780ti.

Something smells fishy...

if r9 290x wasn't the fully enabled hawaii chip, amd might be stockpiling and binning fully enabled hawaii xt gpus since the begining.
since the hawaii gpu is the biggest chip amd has ever built, it opens up room for speculation that amd disabled part of it to improve yields to compete and undercut nvidia's then-top gpu. they had to collect gpus for the firepro line as well.

 

[szatkus]

This misconception was also made before and I corrected it in page 276. Moreover I have given recently a news about Russian government replacing AMD/Intel x86 computers by ARM based ones. The motivation was not power consumption.

I hope that you don't return with something answered/corrected in page 275

It was security. x86 isn't recommended by security experts.

 

[8350rocks]

Also, here is a tidbit...Carrizo is the mobile codename. The DT codename is different, and as of yet unreleased...

This will only apply to mobile variants — drop a Carrizo APU into the FM2+ socket, and the onboard FCH will disable itself while the motherboard FCH takes over.

From: Extremetech. If Carrizo is only the mobile variant, why would there be discussion of FMx compatibility? Maybe those sites have old news but I'm skeptical of your claims.

Funny enough, AMD's Papermaster has just given a talk about products/plans for year 2020

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-accelerates-energy-efficiency-of-apus-details-plans-to-deliver-25x-efficiency-gains-by-2020-2014-06-19

Take 95W Kaveri GFLOP/s

Spoiler

multiply it by the number given by Papermaster and you get an APU with 21.4 TFLOP/s. But have in mind that this is single precision and I gave double precision numbers when I was discussing supercomputers:

21.4 TFLOP/s (SP) ~ 10.7 TFLOP/s (DP)

Your math doesn't take into consideration that 25x greater efficiency can be achieved if performance stays nearly the same and power consumption is cut greatly. I guess you can say up to ~10 Teraflops double precision but I doubt AMD would spend all of these efficiency gains entirely on performance.

They discuss it because the DT codename is not yet linked. Same uarch, different scaling.

 

[8350rocks]

I wonder will it be a higher clocked vishera or tweaked like richland and higher clocked?

Interesting indeed...

 

[8350rocks]

AMD’s Radeon R9 290X Hawaii XT GPU might not be the full chip after all
http://videocardz.com/50947/amds-radeon-r9-290x-hawaii-xt-gpu-might-full-chip

I somehow doubt this. If the R9 290x wasn't the full chip, they would have released it after the 780ti.

Something smells fishy...

Hmm...that is not what I was informed about...at least...not the Hawaii XT. Now...if he is talking about pirate islands...well...

 

[8350rocks]

I want them competitive and well-prepared for the future. You want them out of business like the rest of the blue/green people here.

And you came up with that in your head?

You and others here only post information, truths, and counterpoints to my nonsense about AMD or about anything related to AMD. I sill remember your speculation about ARM and print servers, which you posted after AMD announced the very promising ULV Skybridge project.

Fixed that for you...

 

[8350rocks]

By the way AMD's next CPU will be called "K12" and apparently it will have a 50% improvement over and AMD FX CPU right now

That is the ARM core, yes...next x86 code name to be revealed...

 

[8350rocks]

I don't know why AMD even bothers, clocking piledriver even higher isn't going to compete with devil's canyon. I don't even know how they would even clock it even higher.

VERY mature PD-SOI process node with hand picked "golden silicon" would be where I would toss that dart at the board. Think FX 9590 but more selective. At this point in the game, the leakage is still low enough on that node for them to find silicon that is absolutely beautiful and would allow monster overclocking. (Like some of the early 8350s that hit 5.0+ GHz on air with a good board).

 

[juanrga]

I somehow doubt this. If the R9 290x wasn't the full chip, they would have released it after the 780ti.

Something smells fishy...

if r9 290x wasn't the fully enabled hawaii chip, amd might be stockpiling and binning fully enabled hawaii xt gpus since the begining.
since the hawaii gpu is the biggest chip amd has ever built, it opens up room for speculation that amd disabled part of it to improve yields to compete and undercut nvidia's then-top gpu. they had to collect gpus for the firepro line as well.

AMD's Dave Baumann: "R9 290X is a full chip".