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I agree, but until AMD either does come with competition, or goes under, guess what? We will see price hikes either way. And as far as the door having a lock, they should have left him up here, now I cant ask him what he does with his not-so-smart money. And by the way, arent those the Clinton 3dollar Bills?
 
I dunno why some people are doubting AMD so much, remember these are the people that brought us the Athlon stage why can't they be close to gaining the lead again? I mean i know they have no way in hell of beating Intel atm but recently they are doing well for example, the ATI 4000 series and guess which cpu's are in the most powerful supercomputer?
 


System Name Roadrunner
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System Model BladeCenter QS22 Cluster
Computer BladeCenter QS22/LS21 Cluster, PowerXCell 8i 3.2 Ghz / Opteron DC 1.8 GHz , Voltaire Infiniband
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Made from Commercial Parts. In total, Roadrunner connects 6,562 dual-core AMD Opteron® chips as well as 12,240 Cell chips (on IBM Model QS22 blade servers). The Roadrunner system has 98 terabytes of memory, and is housed in 278 refrigerator-sized, IBM BladeCenter® racks occupying 5,200 square feet

There are Opterons there, but they have more a supporting role/compatibility role. As for the world of supercomputing, AMD and Intel are there, but SUN, IBM and others are major players also. As for the rest, lets wait and see. AMD will come around, but not on the next round (Deneb/Nehalem). I guess in the next round this will be as usual.
 



Might have something to do with them not being able to launch a CPU product, the TLB bug, low enough yields to warrant a triple core, TLB bug, product recalls, the inability to get enough Phenom chips above 2.6ghz to warrant a better model number, and the inability to compete with Intel above the $200 range.

But other than that I have no doubts about AMD. AMD promotes competition by releasing processors that don't compete......
 


You Repeated the Translate Look-Aside bug twice.

Witch, btw, is very rare, and i have yet to see it happen in home/work productivity environment.
Why you barking about Triple core ? Where do you think Intel make Celerons ? How do you think they make them ?
The reuse of damage chips is all over the CPU/GPU market. Don't throw that brick on to the discussion. It is not valid.
The inability to compete with Intel on the 200$ range ? AMD has great offering for 200 or less. If you don't like it, it is another thing. Don't mess opinions with facts.

Pray that AMD will keep itself in the game. Or you will start paying 1000$ for a Intel Celeron D. Or you can go VIA Nano.
 
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Pray that AMD will keep itself in the game. Or you will start paying 1000$ for a Intel Celeron D. Or you can go VIA Nano.
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Honestly, this "unless AMD goes on, Intel will price all of its CPUs in the +1K range" thing simply looks plain stupid. No, it looks worth an "Epic Awesome Stupid Fantasy" seal. Seriously. Take a look at what people buy nowadays. Most people are probably using/buying a Pentium 4/D or an Athlon 64/X2. Only enthusiasts or people who do some serious work with their computers upgrade before 2 or 3 years. Geez, there are dozens of 3 years old Semprons and Celerons still kicking here where I work at. Of course that, say an E8400, would probably cost 30-50% more if AMD weren't around, but it's pure fantasy to expect Intel to go like that with all of its products if AMD goes down. Most money they make come from those millions of low-entry products - that are only sold in millions because they're priced as low-entry products.

Nobody must pray for AMD to go on. They will. But they had been bleeding money for how many quarters until Ruiz was [strike]fired[/strike], erg, replaced by Dirk (who was rumored to be in charge of most decisions made last year), so that he could keep the "asset-crap" kicking?

For a company to reach a low like the one AMD managed to reach is because they deserved to. All of their board should be ousted and there's no hope whatsoever for them until that happens. I want AMD to fail miserably again - so that they'll be able to rebuild themselves from the ground up.

Switching positions between 2 guys who can't do that much by themselves can't save a company. Ever. Keep waiting for a new president to change a country without a new congress. Keep waiting for AMD's rebirth without going bankrupt - just as for the +1K mainstream Intel CPUs.
 
Nano! Yeah. Good stuff, I hear, but I jumped ship after the C3-- well it was never really designed to be a truely embedded proc. Current generation Geode LX suit my needs just fine. General purpose embedded contollers (read CPUs) seem to be one of AMD's wheelhouses. I have a SC520 based system for my firewall / router.

The Atom, Nano, and Geode NX (if you can find it anywhere) probably have more speed and or features than I'd ever need for my purposes, although there's some Atom based mini-itx floating on the web are about 60-75% the price of AMD Geode LX800 ones, but the use more power and generate more heat.
 


Its not doubting AMD really. Its just the ability to see through complete BS.

As for the Radeon 4K series, that was all ATI. Yes they are part of AMD but ATI has had the designs for up to the R800 in spec before AMD bought them so just because the GPU side does well doesn't mean the CPU side will.

 


I said ABOVE the $200 range, you know, where all the profit is! The reason why AMD's stock is trading for $6.30 right now and not the $40 it was trading for two years ago.

TLB was said twice on purpose, it's a side affect the TLB bug. (well, actually it was just a typo...)
 
I agree with you jimmy, as the 4xxx series was definately ATI. One thing tho, it wasnt ATIs strategy to come to market the way they did. Thats something new from AMD. I liked it. All the while, nVidia sitting on their piles of money, fully confident in their porsition. Theis (nVidias) focus wasnt on ATI, it was on Intel, and look whats happened. AMd has done something right 3 times right there. They didnt hype and telepath the ability of their cards ahead of time. They did buy ATI, and brought forth an amazing product. It could happen again. Maybe not to the extent where we see AMD on top of Intel, but a quiet nudge in the right direction. And that should be welcome by all
 
Que???? Smite them. Its what you do.

Que???? Smite them. Its what you do.

Que???? Smite them. Its what you do.


I still want to know what happened with that third year. Give it up already
 


Thats just because you havent washed since your last tryst with wingding
 


If you think that ins't a valid argument, it is because you haven't been or seen the bussiness for long enough. During the Socket7/Slot1 Times, you would pay up 200$ for a celeron. And that was the cheapest one you would ever put your paws on. And that was becuase AMD had very channels of distribuition and many people just didn't know them. For 200$ now, you can buy yourself a very good CPU. At those days you could only buy the very low end.



That Asset-crap thingy you don't understand is called organization. If they can turn a profit on their fabs, but producing to others also, that is a good thing. For further explanation of the model supoosedly being implemented look at Vivendi for example.



A AMD reached a low...welll...neevr reached a high. Mainly in your head. AMD is making the best CPUs (home/productivity) since the Thunderbird to the Hammer cores. The thing is Intel is big, and is now being heavly sued because of.......well....just read.



Reshuffling is common practice in corporations. If everything goes bad, you don't fire everybody, you reshuffle. You can ask someone that has at least some management degree or experience. They will confirm what im saying. About the 1k intel CPUs, i advise you to look at least 10 years ago. AMD is grabbing the flag since the Thunderbird times. And that Core, together with palomino core that came afterwards, lowered the price of CPUs.

If ever going to find prices, check the Tualatin and Coppermine prices. And then we will talk again. Honestly im sick of this bashing just for the sake of it.
 
If AMD does manage to turn it around, wonder what all the people will be saying. AMD is producing ok cpus now, and maybe even good ones coming up. They arent great, like Intels, and Intel has a huge process/R&D/resource lead on them , and yet, even with all that, they are managing, barely, but managing. My question is, did AMD let people down? Have they made a personal failure in users computers? Has anybody thats crapping on them even investing money in their products or their stock? If so, then b14+ch on, otherwise, whats the point? If youre disatisfied with them, I understand. Predicting failure, even hoping it goes beyond them disappointing someone. If you work for Intel, no one likes it when you kick someone when theyre down. So, for those few that actually have some form of investment, and have in some way been harmed, even those people dont want to see AMD go down. So, logically, who is it? Grow up folks.
 


Oh please, cry me a river and give me a break. The thread is claiming 4.4ghz Phenoms are coming, which is approaching double what they can reach now. Of course my realistic outlook on life makes me an "Inteler". Don't you get it? I'm not kicking "POOR AMD WHILE THEY'RE DOWN!!1!", I and others are simply pointing out that a 4.4ghz Phenom is purely horsesh!t.


LEAVE AMD ALONE! LEAVE AMD ALONE! YOU'RE GOING TO HURT AMD'S FEELINGS AND THEY WON'T MAKE BUDGET PROCESSORS ANYMORE! OH PLEASE! LEAVE AMD ALONE! I BEG YOU! OH THE HUMANITY!


Watch this and replace the word "Britney" with "AMD", that's what you sound like:

[flash=425,344]http://www.youtube.com/v/LWSjUe0FyxQ&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]
 
Its not that AMD cpus are bad ,its just that Intels are better.My 9500 is pretty good ,before my bios upgrade I had it oc to 3.0 gigs.Because AMD now do gpu it would be more advantagous for them to go after Nvidia than Intel,and right now I think it worked.For people to say "Its ATI and not AMD that came back" and "ATI had these gpus before AMD bought them",thats garbage.AMD bought ATI they own it.Money is allocated for gpus' as well as cpus' from AMD .Now if ATI had these gpus' before the buyout then why bleed money e.g the 2900s the 3800s.
 
I agree with you jay... I believe most true computer enthusiast are (or should), be hoping AMD wakes up and produces a kick ass product. As said a hundred times, both sides win. If you like AMD stuff, you get better AMD stuff. If you like Intel stuff, this would keep Intel honest and innovative.

 
 

Wow, you guys made him whip out the "leave britney alone video,"'LOL. I have always been a amd fan, although I'M a bigger bang for buck fan so I have a q6600, I would love that article to be true, but Im gonna have to say it's a fake. It would be nice to have a fx series though, quadfx was a great idea, to bad amd screwed people by not releasing anymore quadfx processors though.
 
Here's a simple concept that shouldn't be too hard to grasp.
Intel also make cpu's that don't compete at the high end, however they do compete at the price point they are targeting. Every AMD cpu competes at the price point they target.
 
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