AMD Phenom FX Deneb Core - Kentsfield Beater

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Did you read this from some of the Ebay sellers?

"OMG!!! 2 CPUS running at 2.2Ghz, its like running at 4.4Ghz!".

Definitely not possible.
 



...Not quite sure where to start...

Ahhh, screw it.
 



First that vidoe is a repost x1000000..so epic failure to u !

Heres a fresh one for ya!
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die emo
 


Well I did see some reviews of ES Denebs at 2.2 Ghz and 2.3 Ghz several months back.
This was around the same time that a site mentioned AMD as planning on a dual Phenom FX (Deneb) CPU system (like the Skulltrail) to come out early 2009.
It's quite possible but it's pure speculation right now.I think that the Phenom FX (Deneb) being released for socket AM2+ initially at 2.83 Ghz and 3 Ghz is quite reasonable.If AMD comes out with a 2 CPU platform well it could be quite a powerhouse and could make up for their CPU's performance shortfalls.
We will just have to wait and see.
 
I never said the article was true, actually read my previous posts, quite the opposite. That wasnt in the form of my post either. My point is, its useless to bash AMD. It only shows a certain attitude. When I said AMD may turn it around, Im not referring to 4.4Ghz cpus. Maybe AMD is starting to turn it around now. Shame on me? Leave AMD alone? Shame on me? LOL Not sure where youre going with this. My point is on this that unless AMD has caused you to lose money, or deceived you (at this level, you should know better), then dont hope for their demise. And even if youve lost money and still have investments in them, youd still want them to do well. That leaves only fanboys and people that were duped into buying something they thought itd be and wasnt to have the die AMD mentality. Go ahead, prove my point. I dont really care. Ive had my cuts towards AMD, and to a point they deserve it, when fail after fail, they simply wallowed in ineptness. I understand this too, but never have I wished for their demise. Its old, this bashing when it doesnt fit. If this link was a AMD quote, then yea, go for it. But it isnt. If they came out with all their claims like they did about Barcelona, then go for it, especially now that we know, and yes some believed it and were burned, and thats why I can except some bad attitudes towards AMD, but still, short of its demise. This isnt about crying at all, its about pointless beatdowns, that are very very very old. My questions still out there. What will people think if AMD turns it around. If you cant even accept my question (not necessarily you TC) , then that is only pure and blind fanboyism. Im in the middle on this, and if either side cant see my point of view, then theyre blind, one way or another
 


For Mugz gake Grimmy, cant you even do math? Its a quad so unless you underclocked it, its running at 12.8GHz :kaola:
 






But but but but... I tried to explain.. [:mousemonkey:6]. o O (I thought it was a good cover up for my goof on math 😳 )
 
 



Jay

The problem is most of the phanboys calling other people intel phanboys are mindless trolls or schills. Take one of our most notorious, who keeps jumping off the top rope with out a saftey net, who claimed he was getting a 4x4, then a phenom, yada yada yada. Since 2005 hes bought nothing, yet depending on which thread you read, Im supposedly an Intel fanboy (according to him), a member of the "brood" :sarcastic: and since mid 2005 Ive bought 5 AMD processors to his none.

This is an old subject, and one that’s been discussed before, and nothing I’m saying is new. There are those died in the wool AMD shill/troll/phanboys who hate Intel, for whatever reason, for whom AMD can do absolutely no wrong. Those for whom the Phenom Phiasco and Phore by Phore Phailure were Intels phault, because Intel lowered its prices and phorced AMD to do the same, hurting AMDs margins and phorcing a reduction in their discretionary income which meant they didn’t have money to spend on R&D which caused them to screw up Phenom. This of course is BS since AMD announced Phenom before the price war and loss of margin. 4x4 phailed not because of Intel but because, while it was not a bad Idea, it was hideously executed.

The same phanboys don’t understand the damage they do, and this thread is a perfect example of that damage. When AM2 was set to be released, it was going to AMD on par with Core 2 according to those speculating Phanboys, even though AMD itself said it was only a shift to DDR2 with no appreciable performance gains, yet the Phanboys incessant pandering raised the hopes of people who didn’t know better, setting them up for disappointment . When Brisbane was coming, it was the same thing: Brisbane was going to be the Core 2 killer. When Brisbane arrived, it couldn’t even keep up with the 90nm AM2s let alone approach Core 2. Then the story became marketing, with the future Brisbane’s being the Core 2 killers.

People get tired of the brick was ignorance and deliberate deceit, and what you see here is the reaction. Its the same with the quad core crap. Now there some kiddies who are spouting crap about nelehem being able to 'dissect' programs, analyzes them and optimize them across cores. Complete and total BS. People who believe this kind of crap have never written a program and have no clue how programs function or what their operating limitations are.


As for this thread, there’s some pretty damning evidence out on the web, which after having seen it, as far as I’m concerned, conclusively proves the OP is a hoax. I cant link to it, but its not hard to find....you just have to look beyond the CPUID shot, literally as well as figuratively. Because I cant post it, I haven’t talked about it, so I’ve been waiting for someone to find it and post it here,(HINT HINT) (don’t bother asking me or pming me for links), but it looks like most people would rather speculate than research.
 
Dear God I just did a serache for AMD Deneb FX-80 and I got so many sites reporting this and not even questioning it.

Whats sad is the site just cut out the CPU-Z image from the image with the AOD I linked.

What aggrivates me is that some of the sites reporting this don't question it or think it could be fake just list it as if it came from AMD themselves.
 
True, it gets old hearing that any new release lately be AMD is gonna do this or gonna do that. I agree. Words like may/might/hope/possibly help in those speculations. And I know theres people here that dont speculate, they promulgate. And it gets old too. As far as this OP being true, show me the money is all Ive got to say about it. Like Ive said, Im in the middle, love speculation, hate promulgation when speculation should be used. It goes both ways. AMD can get better. They have lots of room to do so, as far as improvements go. Articles like in the OP doesnt do them any service, and only reminds of past claims, which I hope AMD has learned NOT to make
 


Youre on the right track, keep digging, you'll find it.
 


Sad isn't it. Im a AMD fan, and i consider this type of hype, a really bad thing. Maybe it is not AMD direct fault, but hey, people doing this only hurt more than good. Phenom for example, i don't consider it a failure, i consider it a server CPU. So far for what i do my X2 does perfectly. Could ive got better ? for the price i payed, well, nope. And it will serve me for at least 1 or 2 more years.

What i'm seeing for example, in this thread, is a fanboism i only see in soccer teams, really. Mates, they are CPU brands, that is all. CPUs aren't the stuff you want to dream off when you touch yourself at night. Thats just...wrong.

Honestly peeps, keep yourself together, post educated/logical guesses, and keep the fanaticism out fo this. These forums are supossed to be good ones.

Radnor out.
 
Here is something interesting:

http://forums.slizone.com/index.php?showtopic=23351

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http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/602760/rumour_control_amd_shelves_phenom_fx.html

65nm Phenom FX and Phenom X2 CPUs may never make it to the shops, claim motherboard makers
No Phenom FX

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Although the original Phenom FX CPUs were apparently scheduled to be available at the end of 2007, the mysterious enthusiast-level chips have still yet to appear, and it looks as though they may never see the light.

DigiTimes claims to have spoken to sources at motherboard makers who claim that the 65nm Phenom FX chips have now been shelved indefinitely while AMD moves over to its 45nm process. The 2.8GHz Phenom FX-80 and 3GHz Phenom FX-90 quad-core CPUs will now never make it to the shops, says the site, and neither will the dual-core Phenom X2 chips.

AMD originally announced its plans for the Phenom FX CPUs back in May last year and the company promised that they would be the ‘ultimate enthusiast PC platform.’ Also, when we tested the Athlon 64 FX-7 series chips last year, the company assured us that Phenom FX chips would be out in 2008 for users of Asus’ L1N64-SLI WS Quad FX motherboard. However, DigiTimes claims that AMD is ‘still on track’ to produce 45nm Phenom FX processors based on the Deneb core in the future, so we may see a Phenom FX yet.

AMD refused to confirm whether the CPUs had been shelved or not, saying that it didn’t ‘comment on rumour and speculation.’ However, it's been no secret that AMD's original Phenom architecture had trouble at higher clock speeds. Would you be interested in a 3GHz Phenom FX CPU if it was released, or is AMD making the right decision by waiting until it’s sorted out its new 45nm production process? Let us know your thoughts.

This was posted in July 2008. It seems that the original setup was to be a Phenom FX (with unlocked multi) stock speed of 2.8GHz and the FX-90 @ 3GHz. I am guessing because Phenom @ 65nm couldn't get much above 2.6GHz stock in order to give the CPU the FX name, most likely due to TDP problems and the inability to lower them to a good range.

So it seems this is either 1. a lame attempt to make people think something that is not true, otherwise know as FUD or 2. a Deneb @ stock 2.8GHz OCed to 4GHz with no proof of it being stable or not.

I would think AMD might be thinking of bringing back the FX series since their newer 45nm stepping is showing a decrase in TDP meaning it could possibly allow them to clock the CPUs higher.
 
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This definitely looks doable. The biggest part that worries me is the Vcore required to obtain 3.2Ghz. I was hoping 3.2Ghz with insignificant voltage boost.

4.0Ghz seems achievable with 1.5V with Deneb, although its validity is still in the air. However it does look doable.

As for OP, anyone sensible would point out this is a complete hoax. It simply does not happen outside of fanboy's wet dreams.
 


It really wouldn't combine speeds however one would have 8 cores.Remember the Pentium processor.Essentially a Pentium was just 2 486 processors with some extra cache.On some things your right, though on other situations like running FSX it would perform vastly better.
 


But dual CPU configuration suffers significantly from NUMA effect. Aside from that, programs must be written in near perfect multi-threads that does not take up a lot of memory bandwidth.

In reality, those programs simply do not exist. Its impossible to obtain perfect scaling from 1 CPU to 2 CPU.
 


I guess we shall see. There are already lots of people who can get their Phenom 65nm to 3.0~3.2Ghz with 1.3~1.35V. It seemed counterproductive for AMD to release a process node that's inferior than its predecessor. However, given that AMD is still using SOI and low k dieletric, electrons simply leak through those gates like water in your hand. Therefore it wouldn't be impossible to assume that AMD's current 45nm is not much better than the 65nm process.