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The C2D/Qs wont be around forever. If MT doesnt take off, that leaves i7 against AMDs quads. If AMD comes in with good thermals, decent ipc improvements and decnt clocks, theyll gain some ground here. Maybe its alot to ask, but it can happen. Im of the opinion AMD doesnt have to be the fastest, but decent. If that happens, that buys AMD time and growth
 
I'm not 100% sure why AMDs current CPU lineup "sucks" as much as it does. I had a small chuckle last night while I was thinking about this however. If Intel has finally implemented the IMC, what would happen if AMD "did netburst"? Seems to me that AMD makes good chips, they just don't go fast enough. (probably due to SOI, again, I'm not sure. I hear IBM has a newer version of SOI that we should see when 45nm or 32nm chips hit. Perhaps higher clock speeds will be possible then.) If AMD lengthens the pipeline enough to hit mid 3GHz, how much slower clock for clock will their chips be then? Is the increase in clock speeds enough to over come this? Such a move might give AMD enough breathing room until SOI ver.2 hits.

I also agree with Jay. 4.4GHz claims doesn't help AMD in the least. Photoshopping CPUz screen shots doesn't help them either. It not only builds mistrust for any website that publishes it, but also hurts AMD. While neither company is altruistic, I'd like to see both of them continue to do well. Heck, I'd like to see Via do better or Nvidia enter the CPU market. More competition means not only better prices for us, but more innovation as companies try to out do each other. According to the 80s and 90s, we should have had VR headsets by now, WTF happened?
 

What do you mean WTF happened? The technological increases we've had since the 80's are phenomenal, in many cases exceeding Moore's law. I can't say that I have any complaints about the progress of technology, it's just that some of the expectations were unrealistic.
 
Meh VR was over rated. Remember Virtual Boy and how well that did?

As for this, I wish it was easy to just find a way to disprove this to everyone at once so it doesn't spread. But a lot of sites have already published its info and I don't think they will take it back.
 


I must agree, it is much more fun being in the middle. I can Troll the Troller. It's the God complex.
 



Native was the way to go, they just did it too soon.


Hindsight is wonderful, but expanding the HT links to work with MCMs on one chip would have been much easier for AMD - and it would have worked better than Kentsfield/Clovertown/Yorkfield/Harpertown when passing info from core 0/1 to core 2/3.


The 65nm SOI process has been bad from the get-go. Poor brisbane clocking and even poorer Phenom clocking bear this out.
 


If only! If AMD was able to do a MCM with an IMC, that would have been awesome. We'd get higher clocks and still get the benefits of the IMC.
 
Cant we all be friends.

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AMD needs to create another Intel-beater.

What in My name is taking them so Medamn long to do so?!? Intel's pricing is absolutely outrageous at the moment! AND I have another upgrade cycle coming up!
 


Intel's pricing is competitive with AMD's; where AMD has products (sub $200). As you get faster binning products ($200+) there is a significant dropoff in price\performance. However, this isn't unique to Intel, AMD did the same thing back when they had a more competitive product. Of course, one could ask if Intel's top of the line stuff would be a little cheaper if AMD had competing products, I would imagine so. However, if you're like a lot of use here you'll be buying in the $150-$300 range where there is very fierce AMD\Intel competition.
 


The OSx86 guys have been yelling for a looong time about OS X being full of DRM that's worse than Windows. Psystar is too.

 


I think AMD also hurt itself by not advertising more. At the time Intel was a household name yet for the most part the average Joe on the street would have no idea who AMD was.
 


No, you misunderstand.


They already used HT links to communicate between sockets on the old Opteron 2XX line. Now put two of those dual core chips on one die, you've 4 core, ok you also have2 IMCs, but use HT to talk between them.

It would have taken a bit of redesign of K8 - but less than went into K10. Basically, AMD's arch would have allowed them to to do quad core much quicker than Intel if they had went with that approach. A real double cheeseburger!


That might have been one of the concepts they scrapped before going with K10 (which by all accounts, had a difficult birth long before being released).


But the work in K10, like L3 shared cache will stand to them in the future.
 



Aren't they having issues with the L3 cache? But I hear ya, it's a cool architecture and I hope they can work the bugs out, but my hopes and expectation of AMD are two very different things.

I think that's where a lot of the flame wars start here. Many of us, including myself, have high hopes for AMD, but at the same time have low expectations because of their recent history of product launches on the desktop CPU side.
 


I know those guys. But they are not big enough of a crowd to cause comotion. I remember seeing the anti-trust against M$ on the news and hell I even got a thing for a lawsuit against M$.

If Apple were to become a bigger competator then they would start getting some crap. But until then they will continue to have the most closed OS and some pretty bad crap on it as well without anyone questioning it.
 


No to break yar wind, but i heard PsyStar is suing them. At least according from what ive read. And it seems quite logical, i can assure ya.

I think it may be easy to sue them for monopoly or anti.trust or something like it. Terms of Use or EULA is one thing, the law is another. And kindly overlaps both those types of contracts.
 


I don't think it was a matter as to if they could do it. With limited fab capacity and R&D funds, and little working capital, I think they had to look at their process and design and make what looks to the market (us, basicly) as some bizzaro decisions.

It almost like they have to look at stage three and take a major beating at stages one and two. They figured they would take their lumps at 65nm native knowing their process and design would bear fruit at 45nm.

It's almost like the Asian car companies - start with a couple dinky under performing designs and blossom down the road.

That's a crappy analogy but it's the best I got this evening - lol
 
^That analogy works out great actually. Honda did horribly in the 80s when they first started here and Ford did bail them out and owns some stock in Honda strangely.

Now the Japanese car companies are dominating. I did read too that Honda makes a killing on the cars they sell here because the cost to produce them and import them is so low comparred to what they sell them for.

Either way I am sure AMD will be fine as long as they keep trying.
 
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