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When it comes to i7, all Im saying is this. As people crapped all over CUDA, and its potential, and the gains weve thusfar seen, its clearly not for everyone, just as the features of the more costly i7 are. 50% more for ram alone, and thats at DDR3 pricing. I believe the qpi effect we see in multi gpu setups will be offset with higher HT seen on P2, so no particular exclusives there either. Time will tell, but you have to admit, P2 is simply more than just a die shrink, and had brought some nice capabilities, things AMD simply didnt have 1-2 months ago.
Id point out that also, as we see the implementation of Larrabee into the market, gpus will have a noticeable jump in perf, and creating a gap of cpu capability for gpus in demanding games
 


If you do a benchmark review and you only use 2 sticks of DDR3 ram on the i7/X58 you will have a bunch of people screaming about how you've handicapped the system.

(And if you plan on overclocking an i7 920 system you had better plan on spending more money on memory so that you can do so. But I suspect a lot of people that buy cheaper memory will still claim the overclocking advantage even if they won't actually have it. )





I would never own anther Gigabyte motherboard after they left me flapping in the wind with the 790FX-DS5 motherboard. (The DS5 does not officially support the 9850 or 9950 CPU's even though the cheaper DS4 model AND the more expensive DQ6 DO.)
 
Another small economic slide for AMD.

AMD raises layoff total, sees new ATI charge

The recession continues to hurt everyone including AMD, which laid off 600 works vs the announced 500, bringing the total layoffs for 2008 to 2200. AMD believes this will incur and addtional $20 million in restructuring charges.


A somewhat harsh assesment based on the above news

AMD Gets Kicked While It's (Still) Down

Still no word on the analyst predicted Intel 5~6000 employee layoff

Analyst: Intel may lay off up to 6,000 workers

Regardless of which company people may work for, best of luck to them in these harsh times

 
@ keithlm: Your opinion is valid, although you must be aware - and I think you are - every manufacturer screw the support of some of its products. I'm sure you'll find an equivalent situation to that of yours with a past ASUS, MSI, Foxconn, DFI, etc owner.

For instance, I read lots of negative things about Foxconn in many forums. I have a 50$ Foxconn mobo (A6VMX) that has been more stable and reliable than every other I have used so far, but I'm also sure you can easily find someone who will hate it forever because of some particular issue.

For the most part, it's up to the manufacturer. But you also need luck for hardware, even for the support part - and even when you shouldn't.
 


Very good read, thank you.

And it does appear that the i7 is more sensitive to memory freq than the off die MCMs. Again, I would like to see PII tested on an equivelant platform, but obviously we will have to wait until AMD puts the PII on DDR3 for that. I suspect the results will be similar.
 



I wouldnt use the graphics sector for price comparison analogies at this time. You remember this, from september, the fallout of which has yet to fully settle.

NVIDIA details settlement for price fixing fiasco

Not to mention this

NVIDIA says "significant quantities" of laptop GPUs are defective, stock tumbles

Nvidias been putting itself into some pretty akward places recently, and what they want to do vs what they may have to do with their prices may not be the same thing....so I wouldnt use them vs ATI as an analogy....which creates a point....unless AMD & Intel are involved in a price fixing scheme, which based on the past 3 years they arent, then any price predictions are pure supposition. AMD could very well price the PIIs agressively, and Intel could drop prices a few days before the PIIs hit the US market. Go take a look at the price battle prior to the introduction of C2D. Note both the manufacturers bin pricing and the retail pricing....two different stories. Even after PII is released, regardless of what bin prices are, retail prices will be different. I know that all to well....when I was forced to by an e6000 becuase the X25000s were over $550. In may 2006, the bin price of a X25000 was $696. The bin price of the X23800 was still over $300 @ $303. By the introduction of C2D, X2 5000 bin prices were just at $300. By december of 2006, the x25000 was $200 per 1000 and the x23800 was being replaced by the 4600 @ $150 per thousand. In Jan of 2007, Intel dropped prices again....and the battle continued to seesaw. Presently, AMD has been very strong in entry level but remember that Intel does have a limit to how low it can price its products, not because of economic limits, but because of the antitrust laws. All of the "Intel needs AMD" guessing aside, Intel has the fiscal power to easily price AMD out of business....but they cant because of the antitrust laws. How far Intel can go without getting in trouble remains to be seen, literally, pending the outcome of AMDs antitrust lawsuits, but given the past three years, it would appear Intel can go so far as to put AMD products in the 'bargain bin'. How this will impacts PII vs C2Q pricing remains to be seen.
 
Thats true, as in the past. However, what we may see this time around is actually competing products in perf. What we do see is this. Both at same node, whereas C2D was ahead vs K8. Similar yields. Immersion shows us something here, and by that I mean, for the first time in a long while, AMD is releasing top binned chips first, not later on. So, just accounting for production costs and yields, AMD is on a better footing, combine that with a competing product, and you really cant compare the past to present day, tho Intel has mre cash, and maybe be able to produce somewhat cheaper, but no one knows this at this time, and we may never really know the whole of it, but looking at their 3GFhz release speaks volumes afaic
 


Intel is not really that worried about the anti-trust issues. They only care about profit.

In court they'll be found guilty, get a slap on the wrist, and then they will get a meager fine. The only thing the fine will do is make them reduce their stock dividends for a year or two. (Making some stockholder unhappy but such is life.)

And raise your hand if you honestly believe that the anti-trust court cases will actually STOP predatory pricing/practices if AMD starts to gain market share.
 


True. But look at how many companies pay a hefty fine each year because they pollute and they don't want to bother fixing the problem... it's cheaper to just pay the fine and continue business as usual... even though they are breaking the law.

Intel will do the same thing. (Just like Microsoft. OH WAIT.. SHADES OF OLD FLAME WARS....)
 
Heres a lil reminder for those who keep pounding the "not enough money, theyre letting people go right and left, they dont have R&D funds". It would seem people in high places actually believe this as well , as found here
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/04/30/david-kirk-interview/6
A snippet

“Well, ATI’s CTO left about six months ago and AMD’s CTO left a week ago. Now, what does that say when the chief technical person at a company quits?” asked Kirk. Well, he was a part of the 10 percent job cut and his role is being split across the individual departments, I said.


R600 wasn't ATI's greatest invention and the company
hasn't really caught up since.
“It doesn’t really sound good though, and the story of AMD splitting his role means they’re not going to replace him because there are already people there doing his job,” David responded.

“AMD has been declining because it hasn’t built a competitive graphics architecture for almost two years now—ever since the AMD/ATI merger. They’ve been pulling engineers [from the GPU teams] to Fusion, which integrates GPU technology onto the CPU. They have to do four things to survive, but I don’t think they have enough money to do one thing.

“The first thing they have to do to compete with Intel is the process technology – they have to build the new fabs. The second thing is the next-generation CPU technology. The third one is the next generation GPU technology—we’re going to invest one billion dollars in here this year and they need to invest on the same level to keep up with us. And then the fourth thing is they say the future is going to be this integrated CPU/GPU thing called Fusion, which there’s no evidence to suggest this is true but they just said it. They believe it and they’re now doing it."

Now, as for the four things he mentioned, which now I laugh at, fusion is at the doorstep of reality, but hasnt come out, so, sofar, according to him, theyre hitting on all four points sans fusion, but it will come
 
Ive said it before 100 times and ill say it again....

If somebody makes an AM3 (real AM3) board that is epicly badass (ala high end intel chipset boards) looking with features, ill bite on a P2 945. Considering the current and past selection/design of AMD chipset boards, im not expecting that one bit.

I just cant help but think that these benchmarks/early reviews are pumped up a little, just out of spite towards i7. And simply that some people are tired of seeing Intel at the top. Its doubtful but not unbelievable. Also the bigger issue remains pricing in my eyes, I dont care if it beats a Q9550 or it matches it, if the pricing isnt there then it dosent matter. And remember those "early preview reviews" that had the P2 940 beating a QX9700 in some test? What ever happened to that......
 


It looks like you only want the "native AM3" ones, but have you seen the Gigabyte MA790GP-UD4H in the previous page, Spat? If that's an indication, motherboard manufacturers are at least a little more enthusiastic about AMD upcoming stuff. I would own that board at launch date. I'm sure ASUS will have a new ROG soon too, but, unfortunately, I think it's going to be Nvidish, as always happen with top AMD boards. But who knows?
 


Nice, jay. But take a look at this:

http://www.pcsuperstore.com/products/Q32422-Intel-BX80569Q9550.html.

310$ 940 vs 350$ Q9550. Not that spendy anymore. Good sign. Both will drop soon.

 


Yes, but thats also basically the same exact board as this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128352 , which has been out for ages. The only difference appears to be the color of the pci slots and the color of the heatsinks. Unless im overlooking something I can see/find no other differences. One is probably a US model and the other an asian model.
 


It's a little more than that, actually. It's now using Ultra Durable 3, instead of the "lackluster" 1 of its "first incarnation". The SATA ports have been arranged much better too, now being out of reach for a second VGA. Oh, and I think it looks kinda sexy. (L)
 
Nice, jay. But take a look at this:

http://www.pcsuperstore.com/produc [...] 9550.html.

310$ 940 vs 350$ Q9550. Not that spendy anymore. Good sign. Both will drop soon.
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Rite now the Q9550 price is 319.00 at new egg.

Product.aspx
 


That's right - and I knew it -, but the there's no Phenom II at Newegg, so you have to compare prices of the same site. If the Q9550 is being sold for 350$ at Pcsuperstore and for 319$ at Newegg, it means that Phenom II should be around 280$ when it arrives there (probably).
 
That's right - and I knew it -, but the there's no Phenom II at Newegg, so you have to compare prices of the same site. If the Q9550 is being sold for 350$ at Pcsuperstore and for 319$ at Newegg, it means that Phenom II should be around 280$ when it arrives there (probably).
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First of all no one has a price set in stone for any phenom IIs so stop
guessing. besides it cant be to low because their wouldn't be a profit.
 
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