AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[Mousemonkey]

Probably the smartest thing the UK has done in a good long while. Whe all the other countries in the EU started having problems, I told people the EU will end up like the USSR. You cannot have a couple powerful countries and a ton of weak countries together like that. Once one falls, the rest will tumble like dominoes.

Yeah, our current PM might be a bit of a twat but at least he had the balls to flip the them the bird when the last call to join up to the Euro came up.

 

[triny]

I can see Intel losing market share to AMD in the low end DT and mobile sectors due to Llano. But Bulldozer? Absolutley not. At my work we sell more 2500Ks and 2600Ks than we do Llano and BD combined. We have had a recent surge in BD sales but ONLY because we cannot easily get Phenom IIs and Athlon IIs so BD is all we have to sell. As for Llano, we sell maybe one or two machine, if that, a month. Actually less than that even. Its every 3-4 months.

its mostly lano and braso(sp) that is taking market share I mentioned BD as it was a sales success
trinity will dig a much deeper hole if they can produce it in sufficient numbers
kaveri will dig a bigger hole if Intel's haswell is overpriced .So I hope Kaveri digs a really deep hole so I can buy a Haswell cheaper.
i heard the bulk of Lano went to China.
India and China is where AMD can do very well but for their lack of production capacity
cheaper with better visuals wins in mobile

 

[jimmysmitty]

its mostly lano and braso(sp) that is taking market share I mentioned BD as it was a sales success
trinity will dig a much deeper hole if they can produce it in sufficient numbers
kaveri will dig a bigger hole if Intel's haswell is overpriced .So I hope Kaveri digs a really deep hole so I can buy a Haswell cheaper.
i heard the bulk of Lano went to China.
India and China is where AMD can do very well but for their lack of production capacity

BD was not a sales success. A success is when your company sells so many that you cannot keep up with demand, like the Athlon 64 was. Not when you can't make enough to keep up with demand because your yields are poor.

And don't get excited about China. They will make a knock off of it thats cheaper and undercut even AMDs cheap prices. Thats how they go. Most items there are normally not name brand but rather clones. If anything the GodSon CPU will rule supreme there.

BTW I wonder if this will hold ture:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/12

However, compare the FX-8150 overclock to the 5GHz overclocks we achieved with the two Sandy Bridge CPUs – increases of 52 and 47 per cent – and it’s clear to see that it doesn’t deliver phenomenal frequency scaling. This could turn out to be a problem for AMD, as its strategy with Bulldozer is ramp up the frequency to deliver the performance per second to compete with Intel’s IPC (instructions per clock).

If thats true then it truly is a reverse scenario. Intel was trying to ramp the clock speeds up on NetBurst to compete with Athlon 64s superior IPC.

 

[triny]

So a CPU thats proven to be superior with a higher end GPU and not a entry level IGP lags behind?

Thats like saying a A series APU beats the 2500K in all CPU tests and with its onboard IGP beats the 2500K when the 2500K is paired with a higher end discrete GPU.

Now I know you have gone a bit twisty.



Yet britian currently maintains one of the best exchange rates for their money.......

That's because many countries maintain their currency with the Fed bank note I'd say us $ but you don't have one
the Canadian dollar is artificially held low to give us a trading advantage over usa remove that and the Canadian dollar would jump up past the British pound and we would be to expensive to trade with.

 

[triny]

BD was not a sales success. A success is when your company sells so many that you cannot keep up with demand, like the Athlon 64 was. Not when you can't make enough to keep up with demand because your yields are poor.[/quote]

yields poor or not they sold out what they had . to me that's a sales success
enough that they are still bringing out new BD models
I personally don't need more than a dual core but I want a 4 core ,6 ,8 cores make no sense to me.
that's where AMD loses me they talk about HSA but sell 8 core chips

 

[jimmysmitty]

^They have no choice but to bring out ne BD models to try and compete. If yields were not bad they would probably have an overstock.

 

[-Fran-]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834158224

There you go guys, a nice HP DV6.

And I don't know what's up with all of you making those absurd offensive posts (both sides). I thought we were all grown ups here.

Cheers!

EDIT: Grammar and removed offensive stuff, lol.

 

[-Fran-]

Yeah, the res is crap, but I've seen 1080p panels in some DV6'es without much price increase. The refurb though is kinda lame; I didn't notice it.

Anyway, just stop with the offensive posting. We're getting no where with that.

Cheers!

 

[dogman_1234]

I have the DV6 6135dx.

Love it. Cost an arm and a leg a BB. Oh, and the rez does suck a bit even on Youtube. Still, it is quick, and does my homework for me! 😀. Oh, and F@H.

Can't complain.

I agree with Yuka: End the bashing and trolling.

 

[-Fran-]

There's also the K53T series from Asus. They're usually 1366x768 though, so it kinda sucks as well, lol.

The N53 series from Asus are tough match to any Llano notebook out there. They're cheap and quite powerfull. HP is the one keeping up with the DV6 (z?) series.

Cheers!

 

[jdwii]

that's cool, my notebook is 1440 x 900 and I can't see myself going less than that....
my opinion.
I think it's a travesty to have that low resolution in a notebook with A8 in it.
1366 x 768.

c'mon that's bad on HP's part I guess.

I'm a 1366 * 768 Guy that's 720P on a 15.4 inch screen that's good enough for me and a A8 could play almost any game at med settings with that res.

 

[palladin9479]

DV6 comes standard with a 15 inch 1366x768 screen. Can opt for a 1920x1080 screen. The 6620G can push a 1080p BD movie to the screen no problem, but gaming @1920p with a 6620G is gonna be rough on anything newer then WoW. If you plan on getting a 1920 screen and gaming, then you should also get the 7690M (die shrunk 28nm 6750M). The screen is +$150 and the dGPU is +$75.

Price on the DV6 ranges from $500 to $1000 depending on options.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&series_name=dv6zqe_series&a1=Processor&v1=AMD


Also note that HP ~always~ has a coupon code you can use for 25~75 USD discount.

The DV6 is a really nice notebook.

 

[palladin9479]

Also a note on the A8 CPU's, they may say "2.0 ~ 2.7" but I know for a fact that you can run it at 2.6 full time. I used K10 to set my B0/P0 state to 2.6Ghz on my GF's A8-3530MX. I then undervolted the P1+ states to get better battery life (OCing and undervolting at the same time ...).

HP built it with something called "Dual View" from AMD. It'll use Asymmetric Cross Fire (ACF) between the two but with a twist. When your not gaming the dGPU is shut off and the 6620G is being used. Only when you start up a game will it kick on the dGPU. All this magic on works with DX10/11 titles though, DX9 will only use the 7690M (if installed). Nvidia once tried something like this with Hybrid-SLI, didn't work well for them but ATI seems to of cracked the code on it.

 

[palladin9479]

so the option for the bigger resolution is there.?
that's cool then.


now let's talk about the computing power of the A8 chip..
@ palladin9479 - what you got on that.?
(serious, not messin' with ya.)

The A8 is four slightly beefed up (1MB L2 vs 512KB) K10 Star's cores but without any L3 cache. They perform right about the same as any Phenom II x4 would at 2.6Ghz. Can't really compare to the Athlon II because they have double the L2 and L2 makes a bigger difference then L3.

I'll see if I can run some generic bench's when I get some time (doing 12hr shifts right now). My impressions have been that the 6620G is plenty for running generic games at 1366x720, you won't be running Crysis 2 at ultra maxed settings, but stuff is definitely playable. The device itself works well as a mobile notebook for work / traveling with gaming as an option. Good for the enthusiasts who's job demands we travel and who's back refuse's to allow them something bigger.

 

[Reynod]

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/2.gif

now 'mousemod' has joined the fray in attempt to knock out the 'totally clueless'..
bringing in the big exterminating guns.

However I am here to let you all know that insulting each other will simply result in your posts being deleted.

That includes posts regarding us in the "colonies" ... as well as attacks on each other.

The purpose of this thread is for us all to post and discuss information we glean around the net regarding PD and anything related ... and we have bend that definition soundly.

Lets try to be a bit more positive toward each other ... we share a common interest ... do we not?

 

[jimmysmitty]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834158224

There you go guys, a nice HP DV6.

And I don't know what's up with all of you making those absurd offensive posts (both sides). I thought we were all grown ups here.

Cheers!

EDIT: Grammar and removed offensive stuff, lol.

Not a fan of HPs. Had way too many issues in the past. Their older DV series with the AMD CPU, nVidia chipset and Broadcom wireless had major issues. From the wireless going out, and you can't replace it unless you get the exact same one fro HP (Ihave tried multiple wireless cards, it just wont POST because it doesn't recognize it) to the display on screen and out not working due to a bad mobo design.

The asus are noce though. One thing is though that one I doubt will keep up with the N53V.

IB will be harder to keep up with. The top end quad core is 55w TDP, 2.9GHz full time with 3.8GHz turbo, current is 2GHz normal, 2.8GHz turbo.

Also a note on the A8 CPU's, they may say "2.0 ~ 2.7" but I know for a fact that you can run it at 2.6 full time. I used K10 to set my B0/P0 state to 2.6Ghz on my GF's A8-3530MX. I then undervolted the P1+ states to get better battery life (OCing and undervolting at the same time ...).

HP built it with something called "Dual View" from AMD. It'll use Asymmetric Cross Fire (ACF) between the two but with a twist. When your not gaming the dGPU is shut off and the 6620G is being used. Only when you start up a game will it kick on the dGPU. All this magic on works with DX10/11 titles though, DX9 will only use the 7690M (if installed). Nvidia once tried something like this with Hybrid-SLI, didn't work well for them but ATI seems to of cracked the code on it.

nVidia still has it. Its called Optimus. It allows for the Intel IGP to be used in everything except gaming. Albiet there are still bugs but when it works its a nice power saving feature as the IGP uses almost nothing compared to a discrete GPU.

However I am here to let you all know that insulting each other will simply result in your posts being deleted.

That includes posts regarding us in the "colonies" ... as well as attacks on each other.

The purpose of this thread is for us all to post and discuss information we glean around the net regarding PD and anything related ... and we have bend that definition soundly.

Lets try to be a bit more positive toward each other ... we share a common interest ... do we not?

Mine was a slight jab. But you need to have a sit down with Triny and his hypocracy. He goes around saying everyone is a this and that then doesn't like the tables being turned.

Still, probalem with PD is there is no real info out there. And until we get close to release we will probably have to survive on rumors, which will be thrown out by some as fake.

 

[jimmysmitty]

^The N53 laptop I posted should have it.

 

[-Fran-]

Optimus was just using the Intel iGPU for when it's just IDLE, but they don't shut off the dGPU completely; at least, they don't with the gt425m in my N53J; maybe it has changed with the 500m.

Also, Optimus is not hybrid SLI; I think there is a software solution + chipset from Lucid (Hydra?) that tries to blend them together. Don't know if/how their tech work in notebooks.

Cheers!

 

[jimmysmitty]

Optimus was just using the Intel iGPU for when it's just IDLE, but they don't shut off the dGPU completely; at least, they don't with the gt425m in my N53J; maybe it has changed with the 500m.

Also, Optimus is not hybrid SLI; I think there is a software solution + chipset from Lucid (Hydra?) that tries to blend them together. Don't know if/how their tech work in notebooks.

Cheers!

Lucid is for DT only that I know of. What it does is allows for a Z68 chipset to utilize the IGP for Quick Sync and such and then the discrete for gaming. It minimizes performance loss as well.

I have not heard of it for laptops yet.

And I think the newer Optimus can shut off the GPU.

 

[r0ck3tm@n]

Can someone tell us about the manufacturing process that will be used for Piledriver and whether that will be a good thing for AMD?

 

[esrever]

Can someone tell us about the manufacturing process that will be used for Piledriver and whether that will be a good thing for AMD?

32nm hkmg SOI process at globalfoundries.

 

[nforce4max]

unfortunately the colony days are over and Britain is on brink of collapse

It is only a matter of time before it is every country no matter how rich or poor they all will be the same in the end.

 

[r0ck3tm@n]

32nm hkmg SOI process at globalfoundries.

Ok so is this a good thing? Does this process compare well to what Intel is doing for their Ivy Bridge architecture or even their Sandy Bridge architecture? Somebody knows these answers.

 

[esrever]

intel is like 2 years ahead in terms of fabs is concerned.

 

[r0ck3tm@n]

intel is like 2 years ahead in terms of fabs is concerned.

I was reading, a few days ago, about solid state drives and how the newer smaller process used for their NAND memory is actually a step down regarding quaility and longevity. Do you think this might apply to CPU processes also?