AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[bawchicawawa]

Thanks for the link, gallardo, but I shall have to report you for having a frightful avatar if you don't change it.

You must be joking.......?

 

[jimmysmitty]

I dont think a scary clown is a violation of Toms rules LOL
though it freaks me out too.....

I dont like clowns
Poltergeist and Killer Clowns just ruined me

Its not. Its just a freaky clown, TOS would be something like pornography or something of an extremley disturbing nature.

And while I don't like clowns, not fear just dislike them, his avatar is fine.

 

[dogman_1234]

...or something of an extremely disturbing nature...

Many may argue that with clowns...

 

[king smp]

@dogman-picking up the same A+ book (mike meyers)- I saw it at Barnes and Noble for 29.99-I will get it by the end of the month
Can I PM you to ask you questions about the A+?

back on topic
http://www.techpowerup.com/160422/AMD-quot-Trinity-quot-APU-Models-Further-Detailed.html

 

[Cazalan]

Globalfoundries: 32nm Yield Problems Are Behind, Shipments to AMD Now Unconstrained..."

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20120321200633_Globalfoundries_Celebrates_Shipment_of_250_Thousand_32nm_HKMG_Wafers_to_AMD.html

That's great!

32nm now fully ramped as Intel is shipping 22nm.

 

[Cazalan]

Maybe AMD should really ask IBM for fab help

IBM already does help with GF fabs.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/10/ibm_globalfoundries_fab_8_ramp/

 

[dogman_1234]

@dogman-picking up the same A+ book (mike meyers)- I saw it at Barnes and Noble for 29.99-I will get it by the end of the month
Can I PM you to ask you questions about the A+?

back on topic
http://www.techpowerup.com/160422/AMD-quot-Trinity-quot-APU-Models-Further-Detailed.html

Sure, I am available 24/7. I just may take a while to get to you though. Don't be afraid. Also, you can talk to mal if you want. I heard he is pretty knowledgeable.

oh, you must have forgot about me...?
I know that I only throw darts at my certifications on the wall now, but I did earn them at one time ya know..
I feel insulted.

I feel bad mal. I totally spaced you! I'm sorry. I hope there are no hard feelings!


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Back on topic.

I hope Trinity does well. Less power with a small marginal gain in performance. I don't expect much of 32 nm anymore.

 

[noob2222]

That's great!

32nm now fully ramped as Intel is shipping 22nm.

ya, but GF is better when its ready...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20120320222933_Globalfoundries_We_Have_Better_FinFETs_Than_Intel.html

:lol: MuGFET is waiting in a dark alley, don't go down that path.

But look on the bright side, in 4 years, GF will have a better process than intel's process for this year, but then again, Intel goal in 4 years is 8nm.

My money is on Samsung to catch up to Intel, not GF.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/20/samsung-shows-14nm-and-20nm-wafers/

 

[g4114rd0]

Chinese Foundry Vows to Start Making 28nm..."

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20120321223445_Chinese_Foundry_Vows_to_Start_Making_28nm_Chips_Next_Year.html

 

[Cazalan]

My money is on Samsung to catch up to Intel, not GF.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/20/samsung-shows-14nm-and-20nm-wafers/

I doubt either will catch up anytime soon, but Samsung/GF/IBM already share technology.

They call it the Common Platform initiative/alliance.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/19/global-foundries-shares-the-cost-of-doing-business/

 

[Cazalan]

Chinese Foundry Vows to Start Making 28nm..."

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20120321223445_Chinese_Foundry_Vows_to_Start_Making_28nm_Chips_Next_Year.html

That could get bad for everyone if China continues to restrict exports of rare earths.

 

[esrever]

I doubt either will catch up anytime soon, but Samsung/GF/IBM already share technology.

They call it the Common Platform initiative/alliance.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/19/global-foundries-shares-the-cost-of-doing-business/

IBM and samsung is already ahead of what intel can do.

 

[Chad Boga]

IBM and samsung is already ahead of what intel can do.

In what way?

 

[g4114rd0]

Lucid Releases DynamiX Software..."

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/23/lucid-releases-dynamix-software/

 

[-Fran-]

In what way?

Maybe they have better coffee vending machines in their plants...

But for real, I really want to know where that comes from, esrever 😛

Cheers!

 

[esrever]

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/21/ibm-power-7-spotted-and-it-is-a-monster/

intel can't do something like this yet maybe not for more than a year. not to mention the 14nm waffer from both IBM and samsung which intel can probably do but has not publicly shown yet.

 

[-Fran-]

You should've waited for more discount on Deus Ex, my friend 😛

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/21/ibm-power-7-spotted-and-it-is-a-monster/

intel can't do something like this yet maybe not for more than a year. not to mention the 14nm waffer from both IBM and samsung which intel can probably do but has not publicly shown yet.

Oh, nice.

I guess you can't really know what IBM might have under it's sleeve for real, huh?

And I wonder if the alliance they formed will actually make the 14nm process available for AMD and ARM partners.

Thanks for the link, esrever.

Cheers!

 

[jimmysmitty]

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/21/ibm-power-7-spotted-and-it-is-a-monster/

intel can't do something like this yet maybe not for more than a year. not to mention the 14nm waffer from both IBM and samsung which intel can probably do but has not publicly shown yet.

You mean MCM? Where you have two or more chips on the same package? Intel already did that with Pentium D and Core 2 Quad.

As for 14nm, I didn't read anything about IBM/Samsung building a 14nm FAB that costs $5 billion yet.

As for the tri-gates, I would assume Intel already has something up their sleeve for 14nm. They probably have it already done just need the FAB for mass production.

BTW this is interesting:

http://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/1112-intel%92s-first-14nm-chip-will-not-x86-processor.html

A non-x86 to be the first 14nm chip and it is said to be sometime in early 2013, even before we will see it with Bridgewell.

 

[-Fran-]

You mean MCM? Where you have two or more chips on the same package? Intel already did that with Pentium D and Core 2 Quad.

As for 14nm, I didn't read anything about IBM/Samsung building a 14nm FAB that costs $5 billion yet.

As for the tri-gates, I would assume Intel already has something up their sleeve for 14nm. They probably have it already done just need the FAB for mass production.

BTW this is interesting:

http://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/1112-intel%92s-first-14nm-chip-will-not-x86-processor.html

A non-x86 to be the first 14nm chip and it is said to be sometime in early 2013, even before we will see it with Haswell.

Actually, according to the link, both have 14nm process samples right now... It's just they don't have them for x86 things as of yet... It is quite nice to know they're already doing them, hahaha.

So my questions prevails... Is IBM gonna let AMD snatch some of the 14nm love?

Cheers!

 

[Blandge]

Actually, according to the link, both have 14nm process samples right now... It's just they don't have them for x86 things as of yet... It is quite nice to know they're already doing them, hahaha.

So my questions prevails... Is IBM gonna let AMD snatch some of the 14nm love?

Cheers!

I think they point he's making is that Intel already has one high volume research FAB equiped to produce 14 nm wafers, and they are building another as we speak.

Samsung and IBM are showing off some 14nm silicon, but how long until they are ready to manufacture it in volume?

Also, I don't know if you all have seen how tall Fab 42 is, but it's clear that the 450mm wafer equipment is going to be HUGE! Fab 32 is dwarfed by it.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

In what way?

Well for starters IBM & Samsung made an arm-flapping publicity announcement about 20nm and 14nm 😀..

If they could get any more wound up, I'm sure they might start flying around the podium 😛..

 

[jimmysmitty]

Actually, according to the link, both have 14nm process samples right now... It's just they don't have them for x86 things as of yet... It is quite nice to know they're already doing them, hahaha.

So my questions prevails... Is IBM gonna let AMD snatch some of the 14nm love?

Cheers!

I am sure AMD will use the same 14nm since they are part of the group that IBM and Samsung are in to move to new processes.

I think the most impressive part is how Intel moves ahead alone while the rest rely on a consortium.

I think they point he's making is that Intel already has one high volume research FAB equiped to produce 14 nm wafers, and they are building another as we speak.

Samsung and IBM are showing off some 14nm silicon, but how long until they are ready to manufacture it in volume?

Also, I don't know if you all have seen how tall Fab 42 is, but it's clear that the 450mm wafer equipment is going to be HUGE! Fab 32 is dwarfed by it.

I have seen the pictures. It is very impressive. $5 Billion will do that.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/21/ibm-power-7-spotted-and-it-is-a-monster/

intel can't do something like this yet maybe not for more than a year. not to mention the 14nm waffer from both IBM and samsung which intel can probably do but has not publicly shown yet.

If you look at the chips below, you will see, well, a really advanced packaging set-up. How advanced? Well, this is four CPU dies on an interposer, and not a small interposer at that. Each black spot is a 32nm multi-core die, and a very hot one too? How hot? Well, the chips below are the first Power 7+ parts spotted in the wild, so think really stinking hot.

How do you know Intel can't stack 4 CPUs with interposers?? Besides, no less an authority than Palladin sez it just ain't feezible! 😀

While you are correct that Intel doesn't have any 14nm "waffers", that doesn't mean they don't have any 14nm test wafers. They are probably waiting for release of 22nm (which neither IBM nor Samsung have any commercial shipping product IIRC) so as to not steal their own thunder..

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I am sure AMD will use the same 14nm since they are part of the group that IBM and Samsung are in to move to new processes.

I think the most impressive part is how Intel moves ahead alone while the rest rely on a consortium.

IBM has the rep of being great in the lab and mediocre in the fab 😛..

Seriously, they have a lot of trouble translating controlled laboratory research into for-profit mass production, from what I hear anyway..

 

[Blandge]

Samsung and IBM's announcements are 100% PR. They need to show their stockholders that they are competitive, and they are.

I assure you Intel isn't going to build a $5 billion high volume fab without 14nm wafers in hand, and everybody knows it.

It's all about appeasing the stockholders.