Discussion AMD Ryzen MegaThread! FAQ and Resources

[Cazalan]

AMD caught Intel sleeping at the wheel. Making a viable competitor for 1/10th the budget.

 

[jaymc]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.

However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

Thats why I was thinking of waiting until after the first wave of boards hit... to see exactly what bug's or faults even might need to ironed out.

I taught Intel said they were just gonna fight them on performance at first an not get into a price war an see how that went....It seems their changing their strategy already, they must be rattled...

Think AMD cut too close to the bone (an came in too cheap as well)
I did say already an sayin it again AMD can't beat Intel in a price war. Intel can sell CPU's for cost or less if they want for a long long time... (they took in 15.8 billion in Q3 thats in 3 month's like hello) AMD cannot win a price war, they should of tried to avoid one.
I think if they hadn't of undercut by half in price this may not of happened. Hope they didn't cut off their nose despite their face... I did think they were coming in too aggressive with the price...

They just poked the bear...

 

[jaymc]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.

However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

This is bad information. The AMD memory controller in SiSoft shows 33.9 GB/s with 16 GB DDR4-2133, which would have a theoretical maximum of 34.13 GB/s. Meanwhile, the 7700k gets 30 GB/s with the same RAM. Meaning that AMD's IMC is actually more efficient/powerful than Intel's IMC.

Reddit Link to SiSoft benchmarks: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w4zr7/sisoft_benchmarks_begin_to_appear/

EDIT: The issue was the MB Bios was not setup to handle the higher clocked RAM timings properly. Gigabyte have already released a "day 1 patch" for the Bios to update for the newer speeds, as have Asus and Asrock. Cannot verify MSI or Biostar, but I would assume they would also follow suit as well.

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w4jhn/gigabyte_updates_gaming_5_bios_for_ddr4/

Thats good to hear.

Don't like the prospect of this price war... people should just buy Ryzen anyway... it's an investment in a competitive market.

This would happen a perfect world I guess.. but if the world was perfect we wouldn't be worried about a looming monopoly !!!

After saying that the general feeling seems to be everyone is pissed off at intel for 5-10 % improvements and their outlandish pricing..
I think we may see people buying AMD out of dissent for the way Intel have been behaving, With a bit of luck anyway. They need to be taught a lesson in manners an decency (what they doing with pricing on the high end could almost be classed as extortion). An now roumours of them resorting to dirty tactics once again if true that is but I wouln't be surprized at all... people are coming forward about that email to the media from more than one direction.. bout ringing before reviewing... what the heck.

I don't think many people are actually loyal to their brand, most are downright upset with them it seems. Unless Intel drop their prices well below cost people are gonna buy with their hearts.

An it's great that it's a hard launch... yes there are pre-orders still available everywhere.. I'd say Intel's up the walls right now.

A Ryzen purchase is a vote for a competitive market !
Stick it to the man people BUY RYZEN !

 

[8350rocks]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.

However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

Thats why I was thinking of waiting until after the first wave of boards hit... to see exactly what bug's or faults even might need to ironed out.

I taught Intel said they were just gonna fight them on performance at first an not get into a price war an see how that went....It seems their changing their strategy already, they must be rattled...

Think AMD cut too close to the bone (an came in too cheap as well)
I did say already an sayin it again AMD can't beat Intel in a price war. Intel can sell CPU's for cost or less if they want for a long long time... (they took in 15.8 billion in Q3 thats in 3 month's like hello) AMD cannot win a price war, they should of tried to avoid one.
I think if they hadn't of undercut by half in price this may not of happened. Hope they didn't cut off their nose despite their face... I did think they were coming in too aggressive with the price...

They just poked the bear...

AMD made 8% margins on FX series at $200 for the same size die...that is not the 40%+ that intel enjoys...but AMD *could* win a price war if it had to...they are not funding the fab after all...

 

[dgothi]

I read some article. they said Windows 7 won't be support by AMD Ryzen CPU. that is so weird... Is that true? doesn't matter, windows 7 is old.

 

[TechyInAZ]

I read some article. they said Windows 7 won't be support by AMD Ryzen CPU. that is so weird... Is that true? doesn't matter, windows 7 is old.

Correct, and it makes perfect sense...Kaby Lake also isn't fully supported in windows 7.

 

[illegaloperation]

I read some article. they said Windows 7 won't be support by AMD Ryzen CPU. that is so weird... Is that true? doesn't matter, windows 7 is old.

Yes. Welcome to 2017.

 

[jdwii]

I read some article. they said Windows 7 won't be support by AMD Ryzen CPU. that is so weird... Is that true? doesn't matter, windows 7 is old.

Yes. Welcome to 2017.

Also installing 7 on skylake takes an extra step or two for example i had to create a custom ISO to just get it to install and then install 2 hotfixes on my friends platform. Personally i'm on 10 i like 90% of it HATE the other 10% but its Microsoft and 10 works with all my games. If i wasn't a gamer i'd jump to linux. Side note i tried Lubuntu(not Ubuntu) the other day and i was simply amazed at how well it performed and it was using barely any memory where 10 loves to eat 2GB hands down on idle(Not to mention 20+GB for the OS and updates).

Anyways that's a story for another day ha ha to think i used to be a MAJOR windows fan now i just use it and wish Microsoft would learn what their consumers want.

 

[dasilvor]

AMD is intending to force Intel into a price war, and at this point I imagine AMD has a lot more experience in that ballgame than Intel, unless Intel decides to go back to the same illegal tactics they used previously to shut out AMD.

What sort of illegal tactics are you referencing? I'm not familiar with that story.

If we go back to the early 2000's AMD had Intel beat on a tech level with the Athlon 64 being faster and more power efficient than Intel's P4. Intel in a bid to prevent AMD becoming an equal / bigger player in the x86 space essentially bribed OEMs to restrict the proportion of machines they shipped with AMD hardware inside (by offering 'subsidies' on Intel gear that basically translated to handing them money for taking Intel chips).

Intel were successfully prosecuted under anti monopoly laws and were handed the biggest fine ever levied on a company under those rules (around the $1 billion USD mark)- although given the huge revenues Intel make it wasn't much of a problem for them.

I expect that AMD and the rest of the world will be watching for a repeat, so I wouldn't expect Intel to risk an even bigger fine.

 

[juanrga]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.

However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

This is bad information. The AMD memory controller in SiSoft shows 33.9 GB/s with 16 GB DDR4-2133, which would have a theoretical maximum of 34.13 GB/s. Meanwhile, the 7700k gets 30 GB/s with the same RAM. Meaning that AMD's IMC is actually more efficient/powerful than Intel's IMC.

Reddit Link to SiSoft benchmarks: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w4zr7/sisoft_benchmarks_begin_to_appear/

EDIT: The issue was the MB Bios was not setup to handle the higher clocked RAM timings properly. Gigabyte have already released a "day 1 patch" for the Bios to update for the newer speeds, as have Asus and Asrock. Cannot verify MSI or Biostar, but I would assume they would also follow suit as well.

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w4jhn/gigabyte_updates_gaming_5_bios_for_ddr4/

The rumor was that the problem of the IMC is on the latency, not in the bandwidth. And here are the latency results

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcefddbbadbe6d5ecdfecdbeec8ba87b791f491ac9cbac9f4c4&l=en

Also Skylake gets higher than 30GB/s with 2133MHz

http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/blog/2015/september/ddr3_vs_ddr4_generational

 

[Redneck5439]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.

However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

Thats why I was thinking of waiting until after the first wave of boards hit... to see exactly what bug's or faults even might need to ironed out.

I taught Intel said they were just gonna fight them on performance at first an not get into a price war an see how that went....It seems their changing their strategy already, they must be rattled...

Think AMD cut too close to the bone (an came in too cheap as well)
I did say already an sayin it again AMD can't beat Intel in a price war. Intel can sell CPU's for cost or less if they want for a long long time... (they took in 15.8 billion in Q3 thats in 3 month's like hello) AMD cannot win a price war, they should of tried to avoid one.
I think if they hadn't of undercut by half in price this may not of happened. Hope they didn't cut off their nose despite their face... I did think they were coming in too aggressive with the price...

They just poked the bear...

AMD made 8% margins on FX series at $200 for the same size die...that is not the 40%+ that intel enjoys...but AMD *could* win a price war if it had to...they are not funding the fab after all...

I personally don't see Intel doing a real "price war" with AMD, its just not their style historically to do so. I think all we are seeing is Ryzen caught Intel off guard and Intel is trying to move as much product as possible before Ryzen's release date. Anyone who buys Intel now, during their "sale", is one less person who will be in the CPU market on the 2nd when Ryzen 7 is set to release. Intel may keep prices down until AMD is able to roll out its entire line, ie Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3, which are set for a later release date. I think all Intel is trying to do at this point is sell as much inventory as possible before Ryzen hits the market and mainstream benchmarks and performance comparisons hit the web. For now Intel can sit back and rightfully say that they have the most powerful processors on the market and are offering them on sale, and for at least the next 4 days they are correct. After that they may not be top dog in every aspect anymore so they are trying to capitalize on the here and now.

After Ryzen has fully and totally launched I expect Intel to "stabilize" their prices, they may not balloon all the way back to where they were, but they will raise them from the current sale prices. If you've been around for awhile, like I have, you can probably remember when all this happened before- only back then it was AMD Athlon that was hitting the market against the Intel Pentium 4. Intel tried a lot of marketing "strategies" to put it kindly (some of which got them in legal troubles for making a "cripple AMD" compiler that was used in most major benchmark software of the time and would show Intel enjoying a non-existent performance advantage) but Intel never truly entered a price war with AMD, Intel kept their prices high compared to AMD offerings. I expect Intel will once again keep their prices high, or at least higher than AMD and use some other form of marketing strategy to move their processors.

Really Intel has a huge advantage in marketing as they can easily out advertise AMD. Tech minded people and gamers will always trust the best performance numbers and forums like Toms Hardware, but casual buyers and newcomers who just want a new laptop or are more comfortable using a desktop over a laptop or tablet will tend to buy the brand they know from that guy on Third Rock.

 

[thegentlewoman]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.
However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.
Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

What I will do is buy a 2666 mhz 8 gb memory (no need for me of 16gb 3200 after all).
If, and when 3200 mhz CAS 14 will go down or even if not, I will buy them in a second moment.
The former cost me 75 Euro (Kingston) CAS 13 ! (not bad!) - I can sell these out after 2 years max to update to 3200: \\
Instead Cas 14 (not bad at all neithter) Vengeance cost me 170 Euro 3200 mhz 16 gb (of course).

Will this later 2 piece package go down? Sorry for asking I guess we need a magic crystal ball (?) or some of u can explain how mkt price go for rams?
I guess these RAMS will be used for Intel CPUs or for future Gen? Now it's too much or it's made for CPU that are advanced.

Maybe I should opt now for those 16gb choice? So that I rest in Peace and good night updating that?

dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.
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[/quotemsg]

This is bad information. The AMD memory controller in SiSoft shows 33.9 GB/s with 16 GB DDR4-2133, which would have a theoretical maximum of 34.13 GB/s. Meanwhile, the 7700k gets 30 GB/s with the same RAM. Meaning that AMD's IMC is actually more efficient/powerful than Intel's IMC.

Reddit Link to SiSoft benchmarks: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w4zr7/sisoft_benchmarks_begin_to_appear/

EDIT: The issue was the MB Bios was not setup to handle the higher clocked RAM timings properly. Gigabyte have already released a "day 1 patch" for the Bios to update for the newer speeds, as have Asus and Asrock. Cannot verify MSI or Biostar, but I would assume they would also follow suit as well.

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w4jhn/gigabyte_updates_gaming_5_bios_for_ddr4/ [/quotemsg]
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?? So will AM4 Socket also run lower then 2666 mhz RAMS? Sorry for really ignoring the basic things.

Thanks all for answering. Really appreciated, learning stuff.

 

[Redneck5439]

What a crazy time in CPUs. Hats off to you AMD, you have done the impossible. I've been busy and away from the forum for about 6 months now, but what a difference 6 months makes. Back just a few months ago we were all hoping for a 40% IPC increase over Steamroller, now AMD is claiming over 50% increase. We were all hoping Zen / now Ryzen, would be able to go toe to toe with the older Haswell, but now Ryzen is going toe to toe with Kaby Lake, who would have thought AMD could actually pull it off? As much as I like AMD I didn't think they had a chance to do basically the impossible, but all the early benchmarks show Ryzen is the game changer that no one really saw coming.

For anyone wondering about the gaming potential of the new Ryzen processors, this is really exciting:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-i7-6900k-gaming-performance/

Now Ryzen hasn't released yet, and I always approach early benchmarking with skepticism, but every benchmark I've found is showing Ryzen samples benchmarking very well against Intel's high end Kaby Lake, and in this case Intel's 8 core 16 thread $1000+ best the Broadwell i7 6900K. It is beyond amazing that in one generation AMD hasn't closed the performance gap but for all appearances has regained the performance crown.

I had been telling people that I wouldn't buy Zen - now Ryzen - until it was in second generation, so AMD had time to work out any bugs and tweak the new arch, but it doesn't appear that AMD has any bugs to work out, I'm just hoping that the R7 1800X becomes available by March 3rd, looks like all the pre-orders are sold out already.

MicroCenter still has store pickup available, and B&H and Tiger Direct, and I believe NCIX still have pre-orders available.

AMD has said they have roughly 1 million CPUs that will hit retailers on launch day. That is not counting the boutique builders and OEMs. So, there should still be some pre-orders left.

I managed to get a pre-order R7 1800X for myself, now have to decide on all the supporting hardware, going to do a complete new build from the case up. I have always wanted a 8 core 16 thread system for my personal system, but could never justify spending over $1000 just for a processor alone. The biggest dilemma I have now is getting some inventory for the shop. I have a small repair and custom build shop and its always a headache when a new microarchitecture hits the market. Trying to figure out what local demand is going to be and then the risk on the hardware itself. I don't think Ryzen will have any performance issues, but what local demand will be and what processor will be the hot seller is another story all together. I have a feeling I'm going to be telling several people they will have to wait a week or two for their new build as I have to wait for parts to come. Its really totally reasonable, but people absolutely hate waiting.

 

[LucaFire]

What a crazy time in CPUs. Hats off to you AMD, you have done the impossible. I've been busy and away from the forum for about 6 months now, but what a difference 6 months makes. Back just a few months ago we were all hoping for a 40% IPC increase over Steamroller, now AMD is claiming over 50% increase. We were all hoping Zen / now Ryzen, would be able to go toe to toe with the older Haswell, but now Ryzen is going toe to toe with Kaby Lake, who would have thought AMD could actually pull it off? As much as I like AMD I didn't think they had a chance to do basically the impossible, but all the early benchmarks show Ryzen is the game changer that no one really saw coming.

For anyone wondering about the gaming potential of the new Ryzen processors, this is really exciting:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-i7-6900k-gaming-performance/

Now Ryzen hasn't released yet, and I always approach early benchmarking with skepticism, but every benchmark I've found is showing Ryzen samples benchmarking very well against Intel's high end Kaby Lake, and in this case Intel's 8 core 16 thread $1000+ best the Broadwell i7 6900K. It is beyond amazing that in one generation AMD hasn't closed the performance gap but for all appearances has regained the performance crown.

I had been telling people that I wouldn't buy Zen - now Ryzen - until it was in second generation, so AMD had time to work out any bugs and tweak the new arch, but it doesn't appear that AMD has any bugs to work out, I'm just hoping that the R7 1800X becomes available by March 3rd, looks like all the pre-orders are sold out already.

MicroCenter still has store pickup available, and B&H and Tiger Direct, and I believe NCIX still have pre-orders available.

AMD has said they have roughly 1 million CPUs that will hit retailers on launch day. That is not counting the boutique builders and OEMs. So, there should still be some pre-orders left.

I managed to get a pre-order R7 1800X for myself, now have to decide on all the supporting hardware, going to do a complete new build from the case up. I have always wanted a 8 core 16 thread system for my personal system, but could never justify spending over $1000 just for a processor alone. The biggest dilemma I have now is getting some inventory for the shop. I have a small repair and custom build shop and its always a headache when a new microarchitecture hits the market. Trying to figure out what local demand is going to be and then the risk on the hardware itself. I don't think Ryzen will have any performance issues, but what local demand will be and what processor will be the hot seller is another story all together. I have a feeling I'm going to be telling several people they will have to wait a week or two for their new build as I have to wait for parts to come. Its really totally reasonable, but people absolutely hate waiting.

Sounds like you'll really have your hands full Good luck with those stubborn ones who just can't wait, though!

 

[Redneck5439]

What a crazy time in CPUs. Hats off to you AMD, you have done the impossible. I've been busy and away from the forum for about 6 months now, but what a difference 6 months makes. Back just a few months ago we were all hoping for a 40% IPC increase over Steamroller, now AMD is claiming over 50% increase. We were all hoping Zen / now Ryzen, would be able to go toe to toe with the older Haswell, but now Ryzen is going toe to toe with Kaby Lake, who would have thought AMD could actually pull it off? As much as I like AMD I didn't think they had a chance to do basically the impossible, but all the early benchmarks show Ryzen is the game changer that no one really saw coming.

For anyone wondering about the gaming potential of the new Ryzen processors, this is really exciting:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-i7-6900k-gaming-performance/

Now Ryzen hasn't released yet, and I always approach early benchmarking with skepticism, but every benchmark I've found is showing Ryzen samples benchmarking very well against Intel's high end Kaby Lake, and in this case Intel's 8 core 16 thread $1000+ best the Broadwell i7 6900K. It is beyond amazing that in one generation AMD hasn't closed the performance gap but for all appearances has regained the performance crown.

I had been telling people that I wouldn't buy Zen - now Ryzen - until it was in second generation, so AMD had time to work out any bugs and tweak the new arch, but it doesn't appear that AMD has any bugs to work out, I'm just hoping that the R7 1800X becomes available by March 3rd, looks like all the pre-orders are sold out already.

MicroCenter still has store pickup available, and B&H and Tiger Direct, and I believe NCIX still have pre-orders available.

AMD has said they have roughly 1 million CPUs that will hit retailers on launch day. That is not counting the boutique builders and OEMs. So, there should still be some pre-orders left.

I managed to get a pre-order R7 1800X for myself, now have to decide on all the supporting hardware, going to do a complete new build from the case up. I have always wanted a 8 core 16 thread system for my personal system, but could never justify spending over $1000 just for a processor alone. The biggest dilemma I have now is getting some inventory for the shop. I have a small repair and custom build shop and its always a headache when a new microarchitecture hits the market. Trying to figure out what local demand is going to be and then the risk on the hardware itself. I don't think Ryzen will have any performance issues, but what local demand will be and what processor will be the hot seller is another story all together. I have a feeling I'm going to be telling several people they will have to wait a week or two for their new build as I have to wait for parts to come. Its really totally reasonable, but people absolutely hate waiting.

Sounds like you'll really have your hands full Good luck with those stubborn ones who just can't wait, though!

Yea, but I totally understand. I have my R7 1800X on pre-order, for my own use, but I want it today and I don't even have a motherboard picked out yet😛 I'm just glad that Ryzen was worth the wait😀

 

[ScrewySqrl]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.

However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

Thats why I was thinking of waiting until after the first wave of boards hit... to see exactly what bug's or faults even might need to ironed out.

I taught Intel said they were just gonna fight them on performance at first an not get into a price war an see how that went....It seems their changing their strategy already, they must be rattled...

Think AMD cut too close to the bone (an came in too cheap as well)
I did say already an sayin it again AMD can't beat Intel in a price war. Intel can sell CPU's for cost or less if they want for a long long time... (they took in 15.8 billion in Q3 thats in 3 month's like hello) AMD cannot win a price war, they should of tried to avoid one.
I think if they hadn't of undercut by half in price this may not of happened. Hope they didn't cut off their nose despite their face... I did think they were coming in too aggressive with the price...

They just poked the bear...

AMD made 8% margins on FX series at $200 for the same size die...that is not the 40%+ that intel enjoys...but AMD *could* win a price war if it had to...they are not funding the fab after all...

I personally don't see Intel doing a real "price war" with AMD, its just not their style historically to do so. I think all we are seeing is Ryzen caught Intel off guard and Intel is trying to move as much product as possible before Ryzen's release date. Anyone who buys Intel now, during their "sale", is one less person who will be in the CPU market on the 2nd when Ryzen 7 is set to release. Intel may keep prices down until AMD is able to roll out its entire line, ie Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3, which are set for a later release date. I think all Intel is trying to do at this point is sell as much inventory as possible before Ryzen hits the market and mainstream benchmarks and performance comparisons hit the web. For now Intel can sit back and rightfully say that they have the most powerful processors on the market and are offering them on sale, and for at least the next 4 days they are correct. After that they may not be top dog in every aspect anymore so they are trying to capitalize on the here and now.

After Ryzen has fully and totally launched I expect Intel to "stabilize" their prices, they may not balloon all the way back to where they were, but they will raise them from the current sale prices. If you've been around for awhile, like I have, you can probably remember when all this happened before- only back then it was AMD Athlon that was hitting the market against the Intel Pentium 4. Intel tried a lot of marketing "strategies" to put it kindly (some of which got them in legal troubles for making a "cripple AMD" compiler that was used in most major benchmark software of the time and would show Intel enjoying a non-existent performance advantage) but Intel never truly entered a price war with AMD, Intel kept their prices high compared to AMD offerings. I expect Intel will once again keep their prices high, or at least higher than AMD and use some other form of marketing strategy to move their processors.

Really Intel has a huge advantage in marketing as they can easily out advertise AMD. Tech minded people and gamers will always trust the best performance numbers and forums like Toms Hardware, but casual buyers and newcomers who just want a new laptop or are more comfortable using a desktop over a laptop or tablet will tend to buy the brand they know from that guy on Third Rock.

that Intel 'price cut' isn't really.

Its a Micro Center Sale

you know, Micro Center, right? the brick and mortar store that ALWAYS discounts CPUs and select mobos to get you in the door because everything else is more expensive than Newegg?

That's what that rumor on deep discounts is. If you're near a Micro Center, its great. But it's nothing new from them and it is definitely not an Intel conspiracy!

 

[Redneck5439]

The R7 series looks great, but the real story is going to be when the R5s hit the market. R7's are going to be great work load processors and will do everything from gaming to video editing/ rendering with great performance. However most people looking to build a custom computer are only interested in gaming. To the best of my knowledge even the newest games out won't fully take advantage of 8 cores and 16 threads. The gamer's choice will still be a 4 core 8 thread system.

Intel is still enjoying a single core performance edge with their i7 7700K over leaked benchmarks of the R7 lineup. The big question as I see it is what is the single core performance of Ryzen when clocked at the same speed as the i7 7700K. We have seen that Ryzen in early benchmarks is giving the i7 6900K a real run for its money and a reported auto overclock of a Ryzen R7 1800X on air apparently produced better single core performance than the i7 7700K. R5 8 core 16 thread processors should have better stock clocks and should overclock better than their bigger brother R7s. It will be very interesting to see how the top tier R5 stacks up to the now king i7 7700K in gaming performance.

 

[juanrga]

David Kanter estimated RyZen performance here

http://www.linleygroup.com/mpr/article.php?id=11666

He used old 40% target by AMD. He also did a mistake and mixed IPC computations with rate scores.

I reworked fully Kanter's estimations for RyZen. I am now using SPECint_base2006 scores to not mix IPC with SMT and CMT factors.
Starting point is the score for the A10-7850K without libquantum, resulting in an adjusted score of 24.91. Increasing that number by 15% for an Excavator-based design should yield 28.64, and a 64% boost yields 46.97 for RyZen.

The adjusted score for Haswell (again without libquantum) is 44.47.

The above score for RyZen is using Kanter's assumption that Excavator IPC is 15% higher than Steamroller. AMD itself said 5% at ISSCC

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8995/amd-at-isscc-2015-carrizo-and-excavator-details

and reviews showed same IPC or even a slight regression compared to Steamroller

https://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/24/godavari-versus-carrizo-65-watt-showdown/

Alternative scores for Excavator and Ryzen using the 5% boost are 26.16 and 42.89 respectively.

 

[Redneck5439]

So if I get a PRime ASUS X370 Pro 100 and little more dollars, It says maximum 2600 mhz ddr. If I have a 3200 ddr, won't it work at 3200 unless I OC it?

Stock (default) it won't run at 3200mhz. That's why you need to enable the overclocking profile (XMP) in the BIOS. All you need to do is enable that profile, you don't need to manually overclock it.

However, I'd run a memtest for a few hours to make sure it's stable. Reports are saying that the Ryzen memory controller is weaker than expected, it can't run 4 dimms at 2666mhz, the peak it's able to do is 3200mhz with 2 dimms.

Probably nothing, but I'd make sure just in case.

Thats why I was thinking of waiting until after the first wave of boards hit... to see exactly what bug's or faults even might need to ironed out.

I taught Intel said they were just gonna fight them on performance at first an not get into a price war an see how that went....It seems their changing their strategy already, they must be rattled...

Think AMD cut too close to the bone (an came in too cheap as well)
I did say already an sayin it again AMD can't beat Intel in a price war. Intel can sell CPU's for cost or less if they want for a long long time... (they took in 15.8 billion in Q3 thats in 3 month's like hello) AMD cannot win a price war, they should of tried to avoid one.
I think if they hadn't of undercut by half in price this may not of happened. Hope they didn't cut off their nose despite their face... I did think they were coming in too aggressive with the price...

They just poked the bear...

AMD made 8% margins on FX series at $200 for the same size die...that is not the 40%+ that intel enjoys...but AMD *could* win a price war if it had to...they are not funding the fab after all...

I personally don't see Intel doing a real "price war" with AMD, its just not their style historically to do so. I think all we are seeing is Ryzen caught Intel off guard and Intel is trying to move as much product as possible before Ryzen's release date. Anyone who buys Intel now, during their "sale", is one less person who will be in the CPU market on the 2nd when Ryzen 7 is set to release. Intel may keep prices down until AMD is able to roll out its entire line, ie Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3, which are set for a later release date. I think all Intel is trying to do at this point is sell as much inventory as possible before Ryzen hits the market and mainstream benchmarks and performance comparisons hit the web. For now Intel can sit back and rightfully say that they have the most powerful processors on the market and are offering them on sale, and for at least the next 4 days they are correct. After that they may not be top dog in every aspect anymore so they are trying to capitalize on the here and now.

After Ryzen has fully and totally launched I expect Intel to "stabilize" their prices, they may not balloon all the way back to where they were, but they will raise them from the current sale prices. If you've been around for awhile, like I have, you can probably remember when all this happened before- only back then it was AMD Athlon that was hitting the market against the Intel Pentium 4. Intel tried a lot of marketing "strategies" to put it kindly (some of which got them in legal troubles for making a "cripple AMD" compiler that was used in most major benchmark software of the time and would show Intel enjoying a non-existent performance advantage) but Intel never truly entered a price war with AMD, Intel kept their prices high compared to AMD offerings. I expect Intel will once again keep their prices high, or at least higher than AMD and use some other form of marketing strategy to move their processors.

Really Intel has a huge advantage in marketing as they can easily out advertise AMD. Tech minded people and gamers will always trust the best performance numbers and forums like Toms Hardware, but casual buyers and newcomers who just want a new laptop or are more comfortable using a desktop over a laptop or tablet will tend to buy the brand they know from that guy on Third Rock.

that Intel 'price cut' isn't really.

Its a Micro Center Sale

you know, Micro Center, right? the brick and mortar store that ALWAYS discounts CPUs and select mobos to get you in the door because everything else is more expensive than Newegg?

That's what that rumor on deep discounts is. If you're near a Micro Center, its great. But it's nothing new from them and it is definitely not an Intel conspiracy!

Didn't realize it was a Micro Center only sale. I shop Micro Center all the time and yea, they almost always have the best prices. I thought I had seen where other retailers were also discounting Intel processors, but I may have been mistaken. I didn't really think Intel would ever enter a price war with AMD, its just not their style, Intel almost never discounts their processors.

I am also not looking for an "Intel conspiracy", however Intel in the past has had some very underhanded business practices. That is just a fact, and no "alternate facts" can change it 😉 If Ryzen is everything that it appears to be it will be interesting to see how Intel responds, because they will have to respond in some way if their top tier processors are no longer king of the hill.

 

[jaymc]

I'm sure I read somewhere that they made a statement they were just gonna fight AMD on performance at first and not get involved in a price war...? Unless this strategy has changed because it seems Ryzen is much better than anyone realized.. (happy days).

That's why I was surprised when I heard they were dropping prices.

 

[cdrkf]

@Redneck5439, stock wise my guess would be the 1700 being the sweet spot for the r7s. It's lower tdp, lower price and still unlocked- thing is anyone buying a 16 thread part probably has some well threaded tasks in mind (I'd be interested in one for my rendering rig for example, which is currently running on an 8 thread xeon e3).

I agree though that the stars of the show are going to be the r5 parts...

 

[Redneck5439]

I'm sure I read somewhere that they made a statement they were just gonna fight AMD on performance at first and not get involved in a price war...? Unless this strategy has changed because it seems Ryzen is much better than anyone realized.. (happy days).

That's why I was surprised when I heard they were dropping prices.

AMD dropped a huge bombshell when they announced they didn't hit the 40% IPC gain over Excavator they promised, but instead hit a 52% IPC gain over Excavator. Everyone, including Intel and all the experts were hoping AMD to hit 40% and be roughly equal to Intel Haswell. No one expected or could have dreamed that Ryzen would hit 52% IPC gains over Excavator and put its R7 1800X on even ground with Intel's beast Broadwell-E i7 9600K or have R5 and R3 processors that would be going toe to toe with Kaby Lake. I don't think anyone could have seen Ryzen coming.... Including Intel.

 

[jaymc]

This is all great news for the consumer an pushing the boundaries of cpu technology in general... I just can't wait to see how Naples performs against Xeon.

An I can't wait for that NDA to expire... I'm like a kid on christmas eve ... Exciting times. It's been a hell of a long wait... can't believe it's finally here an it's even better than we taught.. Happy day's !!!

 

[dgothi]

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-1700-benchmarks-leaked/

Is this legitimate?

 

[John_633]

XV2 is competing with Pentium, I believe.

Pricing shows nothing below 130$, also read that Amd plans to keep piledriver around for a little longer.

I am thinking less Piledriver and more Cat cores, the FM2 sockets and am1 sockets.