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As well as other sites reporting it to as being a legit price drop journalism needs to be better
 
About rebates

The microcenter stuff was addressed in the former page. It is not what media is pretending. I copy and paste what ScrewySqrl said in the former page:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3327589/amd-ryzen-megathread-faq-resources/page-8.html#19350928

that Intel 'price cut' isn't really.

Its a Micro Center Sale

you know, Micro Center, right? the brick and mortar store that ALWAYS discounts CPUs and select mobos to get you in the door because everything else is more expensive than Newegg?

That's what that rumor on deep discounts is. If you're near a Micro Center, its great. But it's nothing new from them and it is definitely not an Intel conspiracy!
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About conspiracies and false information

That conspiracy letter from an anonymous reddit user have also been discredited in several forums. I did read it about it the first time in [H].

I have no idea what Charlie means. If it is demonstrated that Intel is trying to play dirty, we would boycott its products. So simple like that.

jdwii reports the OC claim for Devil's Cannon. I was the person that exposed that. They said everyone that the chip got 5.5GHz on air, when in reality the chip was using watter cooling. Myself was mentioned as source by bitsandchips then [original link and translation to English]

http://www.bitsandchips.it/9-hardware/4480-cpu-devil-s-canyon-a-5-5-ghz-ad-aria

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bitsandchips.it%2F9-hardware%2F4480-cpu-devil-s-canyon-a-5-5-ghz-ad-aria&edit-text=&act=url

The benchmarks given by WCCFTECH and reported by dgothi

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3327589/amd-ryzen-megathread-faq-resources/page-8.html#19351905

seem legitimate. The problem is that they seem unfair. It seems the AMD chips did run with XFR activated, whereas the Intel chips did run without Turbo3. WCCFTECH chart gives a CB15 ST of 153 for the 6900k, but even AMD in its official presentation reports 162 for the same intel chip.

The WCCFTECH link reported by Redneck5439 here

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3327589/amd-ryzen-megathread-faq-resources/page-9.html#19353596

has been also discredited elsewhere. I copy and paste from another forum, where there are Turkish people that knows those guys:

Ok so we got a bit of clarification on the Turkish OC info. These guys are totally legit.. they are from donanimhaber.com one of the oldest review sites in Turkey. Those who followed the Bulldozer launch will remember they had info which ended up being true back then as well.
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donanimhaber.com legit? Is this opposite day?

These are the guys who claimed that Bulldozer would be about 50% faster than Nehalem (and thus faster than Sandy Bridge). They also posted fake benchmarks of Bulldozer from OBR, claiming that they got them from AMD.

donanimhaber are notoriously unreliable, and if they managed to get anything right about Bulldozer it would have been down to pure luck, and the fact that they claimed so many different things that they were bound to get something right.

As such I would take any info from them with a huge grain of salt, since they basically belong to the same tier as WCCFTech and their ilk.
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My advice remain: wait for reviews. There are a lot of misinformation lately on the web.
 
Agreed with Juan nothing is final yet even though i'm more pumped then i feel most here are i still say wait. I personally would have never preordered these chips to professional reviews have them and reviewed them.

I personally think this is a return to competition in the high-end but still never spend your hard-earned cash to everything is final.
 
Ok, 3 things:

1.- Good to see there's plenty more information now than before, even though you guys should raise the salt amount with each new piece of information. Remember the people playing the stock and raising hype don't look up to consumers, but their own pockets. Or maybe trolls faking news.
2.- Given 1, special mention to whatever WTFBBQTech spreads. ALWAYS go for their sources and see if you actually believe them. If there's no source you can track, DISREGARD. That is my safe advice.
3.- Well, there is going to be a 6 core variant. Nice. I hope the price is great and it actually performs well with the weird core and cache alignment.
4.- So the NDA lifts the 28th? If that is the case, will Toms have the review up by then?
5.- The Coliseum is SO overrated. Rome is lovely, but darn it has a lot of history. Expensive history for travelers, that is!
6.- It's good to be back and read all the comments. I will remark this: CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC.
7.- I don't know how to count, sorry.

All in all, keep the salt next to you, fellas. The leeeeeks are getting weird. Also, if you live near a MicroCenter, go there and get a Kaby or whatever you can find with discounts. The price difference is big enough to justify "yesterdays" great performance. They always do that with a major CPU release and the old ones. That is how I got my i7-2700K back in 2012 instead of a brand new FX8350.

Cheers! :)
 


1.8v core voltage... That is so 1999, lol.

It is doable it seems? From what I can read all "-E" Intel CPUs hang in the same neighborhood, so not so bad if true.

So, with a proper Liquid Cooling solution should be around 4.6Ghz stable? And Air tops at 4.3Ghz with "golden" samples? I think 4.1Ghz stable with all 8 cores loaded using Air wouldn't be bad for a day-to-day machine.

Cheers!
 
It still sounds good.

Would that just be a base (well I don't mean just base clock) but would a boost still be working ? Or would xfr still be increasing on a single core ?

Amazon still appear to have no 1800x's left ... hope there's not a shortage of chips already.
 


The thing to remember with overclocking is that these are the 'big' parts, 8c/16t parts. They're just going to generate a LOT of heat. I'm willing to bet that when we get down to the 4c/8t and 6c/12t parts we'll see higher speeds. Each core takes up a discrete amount of physical space, and the faster the cores operate, the exponentially higher amounts of electricity they use and heat they generate.

So - physical processes such as heat transfer through certain materials will hit a limit eventually.

The Cinebench world record - remember that even is against some of the higher core count (10c/20t) Intel parts, so that's an excellent start. Once the chip processes mature, and if they have silicon stepping revisions, we could see some even faster speeds.

As for the questionable Intel email about 'talk to us before releasing' - I'd like to see a few more sources for that before making judgment. They have to know that this isn't 2003 and word of any attempts to strong arm reviewers and/or subvert their independence in objectively reviewing hardware is going to be met with some EXTREMELY bad press.
 
Does that mean it will fall in different zones one by one..?

For example first in UK & Ireland and hours later in the states the plot thickens.. Think I need to speak to my solicitor..lol
 


I think history would be a good indicator?

As in, when they announced Bulldozer, was it US Pacific Time, Atlantic, Central, UK-London time? And so on.

EDIT:

Bulldozer was:
Toms Review date: October 12, 2011 at 7:10 AM
AMD Release date: Under NDA I think.

Cheers!
 


For as long as i can remember, Intel and AMD always have set the launch to one time zone as people in both the US and UK got reviews at the same time.

Now of course i dont remember what time zone bulldozer was tied to but anandtech had there review up at "October 12, 2011 1:27 AM EST"

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested

While Tom's same review did it at 11:00 PM on the 11th of Oct, (assuming the articles was published in Pacific Time )

So somewhere between Central and Mountain Time is my guess.
 


Tom's is headquartered in New York as well. So 11pm EST is 4AM GMT, so maybe they UK team waited till they actually came into work to post the review.
 


At the time of the bulldozer launch, I dont think BestOfMedia group (who owned Tom's Hardware before Pruch) had any offices along the east coast. Fairly sure the only office in the US was California.

Although I could be wrong on that....
 
Well, I trust the USA version of Toms more than the UK counterpart/mirror. It kinda works funky for me, so I'll take the USA version as the actual time it went live.

So, what does that tell us so far? Night of the 28th/2nd?

Cheers!
 


Well it at least tells us that there's a review this week. :bounce:
 


I doubt Intel thinks it can suppress that type of information in this day and age. Not when so many people will have a vested interest in not just finding it, but pushing it out there. On the other hand, every company does seem to think they can interpret information to their liking.

Rather than something so impractical, it's probably more along the lines of, "Hey, did you guys also test with X benchmark while running Y settings on a machine with Z components in a room with ambient temperatures over 30 C?" Pretty much the same as cherry picking the results where you do well, just in reverse. When you're talking about your competitors, you highlight the results where they do poorly.
 
Yeah I taught the sites were just mirror'd... Have to agree with Yuka though the USA would be more like it.

Ryzen 1800x is back on sale on amazon.. they seem to be feeding the beast quite well.. for now anyway.

It would be nice if we could unlock the other 2 core's on the six core... an it might overclock well too.
 


Consider IPC around 90% of Kaby Lake, which is very good.

I have an i3 on an H110 board. I need more cores for my job. I have now three options:

1. a 4c/8t locked processor, for $300 (i7 7700)

2. a 4c/8t unlocked processor and unlocked MB, for $500 (i7 7700k and Z270 board)

3. an 8c/16t unlocked processor and unlocked MB, for $450 (R7 1700 and B350 board (est. $120))

While I don't think AMD will have the best CPUs, I believe it's very, very hard for them to fail.

Edit: prices by PC Parts Picker. B350 price estimated, based on X370's price of $150.
 


I have seen that reported in multiple site. I don't understand it. I don't understand how 2363 points can be a world record when there are lots of scores above that. The top score and worldwide record (for 8-cores) is 2445

http://hwbot.org/submission/3233876_the_overclocking_knights_cinebench___r15_core_i7_5960x_2445_cb
 


Guru3D confirmed that, while they were not personally contacted by Intel, some of the media they are in contact with were approached by Intel.

So, it seems not all media outlets were, but perhaps a few "intel sympathetic" outlets were chosen?
 
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