Apple: A PC is No Bargain!

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Well geeksquad isnt something anyone should spend money on, next avg (full paid version) costs me 60 bucks a year (this is for 3 computers). Also as for video and picture editing. I use Adobe photoshop and pinnicle studio. So even if I got a mac I would have to spend this money. So basically, pcs are much cheaper :)
 
Huh. So I spend near $3 grand on a PC Laptop and I would probably end up with one that has a quad core, 4GB+ of memory, big hard drive and a discrete GPU all with a nice 17 inch screen. Plus considering all the free software out there I can find I wont have to spend a dime more.

Plus I can actually game on it......
 
[citation][nom]kgrach[/nom]PC = VirusIt not a question with a PC if you will get a virus but when your antivirus software is capable of detecting the beastie already roaming on your machine.PC's should never ever be connected to the internet they are just not safe.Macs are for people smart enought to know that PC's just suck.Yes linux is safer than windows but anything in Linux becomes a research project. becuase version x.xx is diferent from linux x.x and no two commands use the same syntax. need help type man no that commands needs info but it was not written yet so you need user but that got broken in the latest release so you need to use program y but just so you know distro k uses a diferent command structure than your distro.YOU FAIL!!!!!!Yes you need a hyper fast PC becuase 95% of the machines recources are used for windows.Most windows users are ignorant of what a real OS is like and don't know better. Try something like AOS4.1 and you will cry the next time you start windows.[/citation]

95%????? What in the hell are you on? Vista when idle uses no CPU time and most of my memory usage is due to background apps.

PCs don't get a virus IF you know what in the hell you are doing. But hey connect to unsafe sites and click yes to every damn thing and no matter what you have you will get a virus.

A real OS is one that runs and connects to the world. There are plenty of open source OSes that are great but as you said many are not the same creating problems in communication.
 
[citation][nom]keither5150[/nom]Wow! All of my photo and video editing needs are met with free programs that come with Vista home premium. I have been using AVG free edition virus protection for the past 7 years without incident. In fact all 71 PC's that I take care of at work use AVG free edition as well. I don't put anything on the Macs at work.Microsoft's reply should be laughter.[/citation]
"AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition is for private, non-commercial, single computer use only"

If you are using it at work, you're breaking the law. So you're basically saying that PCs are cheaper, if you break the law. Not a very good point imo.
 
@ LeJay: that is only for commercial use...so this really doesn't apply to the argument

and @ kgrach: I hate the idiotic Mac users that go on about how Mac's don't get viruses. Now this is true, they don't get viruses. Instead they get "worms"...which technically is worse since they do not need to be attached to a file and can basically roam your network much easier. Next in all my years and all the computers I own (currently) I have had maybe 1 virus (my fault for installing a certain program *cough aim cough* a few years ago). Also while running vista, I get better fps in games, my computers seem to run better, and the only thing that uses much memory or cpu (again like jimmy said, vista doesn't use any cpu while idle). Some people may argue this but just a disclaimer, I turned off my sidebar since I don't use it.

Also I admit I do not like windows for some personal reasons but I find it to be a SUPERIOR OS over any other. Heck even my college professors (for computer science) run windows over everything else (except one, which still uses DOS one a couple of his computers).

 
[citation][nom]simplyderp[/nom]Macs and pre-built computers suck equally.[/citation]
Not really. We buy prebuilt HP mashines at work (thousands), and they don't really suck. We've had an abnormally high failrate on laptops this year, but if we disregard laptops, I can't even built the computers as cheap as they can deliver them to us! For 450€ we get a miditower system with dvdrw, sata2 harddrive, a 'random' non-discount intel processor, 4gb of memory and a good warranty. Every time we end up getting a 45nm quadcore we exceed a pricetag at which I can compete with homebuilt mashines without any warranty.
 
[citation][nom]surfer1337dude[/nom]@ LeJay: that is only for commercial use...so this really doesn't apply to the argumentand [/citation]

So 71 computers at work is private use?
 
Dang it, I thought surferl337dude posted that, I guess I f#@%ed that joke up.
 
The Apple Genuis Bar = Upsell Job. It's the most infuriating support I've ever encountered. It's the perfect way to draw in people with "free" support and then double-wham them with upsells and over-priced replacement accessories. I went to the Apple Genuis bar last yeart at the Mall of America and then had to sign-in before even talking to anyone. Waited 2 hrs and aimlessly walked around the mall till it was my turn. Then I sat on the hard stool for 15 minutes (waiting again) and the snotty "kid" told me I had a faulty power adapter for my laptop. That's funny because I told the boy genius that I have two power adapters. So somehow my two power adapters failed at the same time. Boy genius said yep and that will be $80 for a new one. Craigslisted my macbook...
 
free anti-virus is the suckage...

first of all most people don't realize that they don't have to cover every known threat/virus out there (The FCC states it only has to cover 67%). Go do some research, you might even have a virus/worm on your computer and you don't even know it because your anti-virus program doesn't have a definition of it. I personally apologize to anybody who has AVG, I'm sorry.

If you're going to get an anti-virus, pay for a subscription. The FCC mandates that they protect against ALL threats.

MAC vs. PC

Lets be unbiased here and say that they both are great! Why does this stupid thing always end in a war. Macs are awesome for many many things that PCs can't even touch, especially in there simplicity. Where PCs aren't piles of junk either, they can offer many things that Macs won't go towards because of their business model, such as their allowing third parties to supply parts and programming.

Either way you look at it, to be truly unbiased, you need to own both a mac and a pc. Then you'll know what I'm talking about.
 
[citation][nom]Parrdacc[/nom]."1. Yes owning a PC does require a person to actually learn to use a computer and how it works thereby allowing the person to become a better user and more knowledgeable of the technology surrounding it.[/citation]

The main problem with this argument is that most people do not buy computer to learn anything. They buy them to be productive. They don't want to have to become hardware geeks. They want to edit their videos, photos and not have to worry about it not working. When you introduce all the freeware into the equation combined with the infamous Windows Registry nightmare, people will inevitably have more problems than people using software installed and designed to work seamlessly together.

I have spent hundreds of hours learning how to fix computers and get around problems created by Windows and the vast array of programs that are available for it. I like to learn like that, but at some point I have to face the fact that I do not represent the vast majority of computer users, who are simply trying to get things done. I represent the niche market, not the other way around. Apple has a product that solves the productivity equation. That is why people use them. They open them up and they work and do most things that people want them to do out of the box. There is value in that, regardless of what you may think.

We computer nerds throw our own ability to cope onto the average everyday user all the time, recommending the cheapest computer possible to our friends and families, average users who would really benefit from the tight integration and genius bar support that Apple has. When it came time to put my money where my mouth was I recommended my Mom get and Apple, because it's easy. She won't have to load anything when she gets it home. If I'm not available to help, she can take it to an Apple store. To top it all off they look great. There IS value in simplicity that as I grow older I've come to appreciate.
 
There are free anti-virus firewall and photo editing software solutions available online for Windows!

Besides, Windows supports much better and faster 3D hardware!
 
Someone earlier said you have to own a Mac and PC to truly understand the value of a Mac. Hmmm. Really? Let's see I've owned various flavors of Apple computers from the very ancient Apple IIe, iMac, MacBook, etc. I still don't see the value in a Mac. Do they look nicer? Who cares... oh wait I guess some people do. I started out Mac, still use there stuff (used off of craigslist) BUT anything important or vital is done on my PC. 6 yrs ago when I decided to go PC, I was really surprised how versatile Windows is/was. I've owned 4 desktops/laptops on Windows and my main machine is Vista now. I still haven't cut the cord from Apple yet since for some reason I always have a Mac somewhere around the house. Every year that goes by I find that Macs get more expensive and less compelling. While PCs get cheaper and more compelling. I'd rather buy a PC for $800 every 3 yrs than sink all of my money into a comparabe Mac for $1800 and keep it for 5 yrs while the world marches on and I have an old Mac.
 
Apple - Ugly, overpriced, No good piece of shit hardware. They slap shit together and say hey, Its an APPLE computer why don't i put a thousand dollar price tag on it so you can feel all the more better. Worthless, i don't care if you are or your not a computer person. Doesn't take a genius to turn a PC on, If you managed to figure out how to press the button to turn it on then ur on ur way to understanding PC's. Thats step 1 the million other steps come with time. I am sure somewhere in the family tree or friend tree someone knows about PC's to where they can make it as simple as 1-2-3. I did that for some relatives of mine. There 76 years old, never touched a computer in there life. I got them going useing the internet, turning on there laptop in a matter of 3 hours. That's called a PC! I look at the mac, try and use a Mac. No way i can teach a 76 year old how to use it within 3 hours. Fck Mac! PC world all the way! Custom built pc's though hands down best PC's ever made. The quality surpasses everything out there thats pre-built in stores.
 
To the guy saying that we must own both before forming an opinion:

Apple are crooks, and they are out to take as much money as they can get from you, this is a fact. They appeal to gullible people's self-esteem to sell products at outrageous margins, I for one will never buy an Apple product. Even if Apple products were better, I still would not buy one for moral reasons, nor would I encourage anybody else to.

If anybody I know is considering a Mac, I show them any flavor of Linux with the KDE 4.x desktop, after seeing all of the cool 3d Desktop Effects, they instantly decide that is what they want.
 
[citation][nom]69camaroSS[/nom]The main problem with this argument is that most people do not buy computer to learn anything. They buy them to be productive. They don't want to have to become hardware geeks. They want to edit their videos, photos and not have to worry about it not working. When you introduce all the freeware into the equation combined with the infamous Windows Registry nightmare, people will inevitably have more problems than people using software installed and designed to work seamlessly together. I have spent hundreds of hours learning how to fix computers and get around problems created by Windows and the vast array of programs that are available for it. I like to learn like that, but at some point I have to face the fact that I do not represent the vast majority of computer users, who are simply trying to get things done. I represent the niche market, not the other way around. Apple has a product that solves the productivity equation. That is why people use them. They open them up and they work and do most things that people want them to do out of the box. There is value in that, regardless of what you may think.We computer nerds throw our own ability to cope onto the average everyday user all the time, recommending the cheapest computer possible to our friends and families, average users who would really benefit from the tight integration and genius bar support that Apple has. When it came time to put my money where my mouth was I recommended my Mom get and Apple, because it's easy. She won't have to load anything when she gets it home. If I'm not available to help, she can take it to an Apple store. To top it all off they look great. There IS value in simplicity that as I grow older I've come to appreciate.[/citation]

You'd have a valid point if no-one knew how to use windows, however just about every person on the planet knows how to use the windows OS. Like you said, standard users don't purchase computers to learn.
 
AVG/Avira/Avast + Ad-Aware + Spybot + OpenOffice/Google Docs + STANDARDIZED PC architecture > Apple .....for a vast majority of home/office computer users still. How about the cost of maintenance...standard power supply vs Apple proprietary BS? How about a $5 CR2032 CMOS battery versus 5 hours spent to replace a "super capacitor" in a macbook that just couldn't use a regular old button battery instead. I've run a computer store for 8 years and the cost of repairing & servicing Apples is always higher; and not by a small margin
 
Look. You guys can hate apple if you want. I did until i bought a new macbook pro. They are really nice laptops. I would never trade in my desktop pc tho. I use it for the heavy lifting. Why would anybody buy a laptop to do encoding or gaming? Sure a gaming laptop is portable only if you are near a ac outlet. I bought mine for all the great features that a macbook pro offers. Plus it has 4 hours of battery life.
 
69camaroSS: What is the "infamous Windows registry nightmare"? I must have missed that in my many years of experience in the IT industry. In fact, I might go so far as to say that the registry "just works".
 
"Cool" LOL I don't think its cool to spends hundreds of dollars extra to get a shiny slower overpriced box with an OS designed for people who are afraid of anything more complicated then setting your alarm clock.

Any non apple computer will have better performance for your money hands down, now that's "Cool!!!"

Apple defines "All show and no go"
 
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