http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7570925
here is a place you can check out for some water cooled benches on a 9800xt
here is a place you can check out for some water cooled benches on a 9800xt
If that is what a overclocked 9800 does and if that compares to the new x800. Then I am sticking with my overclocked 9700pro since the I score about the same as the 9800 overclocked. And I don't even have my 9700pro overclocked to the maxed(cause I don't have ram heatsinks).
<font color=green>P4 2.6c at 3.25, P4P800(soon to be P4C800 dlx-e), OCZ pc 4000, 2X raptors in a raid, and ATI 9700 pro 390/324.</font color=green>
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9800xt OC'd @ 520/1100-- 10535 @pure speed [my test]
x800xt pe @ 520/1100-- 11021 @pure speed [reviewers benches]
3Dmark03
This is what I got
Test system
Intel P4 3.0ghz
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Corsair 1024 MB (2x512) PC3200 memory
SATA hard drives x2 raid 1
x800xt pe @ 520/1100-- 11021 @pure speed [reviewers benches]
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This is what I got
Test system
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Corsair 1024 MB (2x512) PC3200 memory
SATA hard drives x2 raid 1
Run benchmarks between some popular and obscure DirectX / OpenGL games; running in 16bpp and 32bpp.
You will notice something big, especially if you do an image quality test (not using AA and AF ... a REAL image quality test).
Have you ever wondered why the Radeon 9-Series have 128bit Color Precision but only use 96bit Color.
Or why the GameCube can use 128bit Color whilst even the X800 cannot?
There are alot more things ATI is doing that is very obscure, I just didn't want to get into all the crap that I found!
You will notice something big, especially if you do an image quality test (not using AA and AF ... a REAL image quality test).
Have you ever wondered why the Radeon 9-Series have 128bit Color Precision but only use 96bit Color.
Or why the GameCube can use 128bit Color whilst even the X800 cannot?
There are alot more things ATI is doing that is very obscure, I just didn't want to get into all the crap that I found!
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Thats the not overclocked, straight out of the box
Also the x800 normal map compress is only noticiably effective on WORLD SPACE NORMAL MAPS, which aren't used that often by developers because it forces the textures to be sent through the AGP port at every frame effectively killing performance by at least 50%.
It is a nice feature but not that usuable yet or anytime in the near future
Plus there is very little difference in image quality from from the new compressed world space normals to DXTC tangent spaced normals.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by entium on 05/24/04 03:04 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Also the x800 normal map compress is only noticiably effective on WORLD SPACE NORMAL MAPS, which aren't used that often by developers because it forces the textures to be sent through the AGP port at every frame effectively killing performance by at least 50%.
It is a nice feature but not that usuable yet or anytime in the near future
Plus there is very little difference in image quality from from the new compressed world space normals to DXTC tangent spaced normals.
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Don't look at the filtering alegations for face value. There is alot more crap going on then just trilinear to bilinear filtering. There are so many different ways to cheat.
The reason I say this is because the 9700 was the brain child of ATI and Microsoft's dx 8/9 team.
This Nvidia did just that too they joined up with the DX team to create the 6800.
Microsoft has been setting the standard for graphics apis since DX8 which Ogl has been following. Nvidia relized this early. ATI hasn't maybe they have now but it might be too late.
How many ways to find a solution to a math problem?
I only scratched the surface. I could get it some real nasty optimization like the 96 bit color caclulation, but certian restrictions aply
.
Just read about how the 3d pipelines (not just the texture pipelines) using it as a general term, work in a advanced 3d programming book and how the amount of calculations grow exponential as you increase quality, let it be textures or filtering, then compare them to what all the PR crap is about. You would be very interested in what ya find lol.
And its not only the big 2 doing it. Its everybody!
Intel is the king of it. Via just makes crap, if they could get one set of decent drivers they might have a small chance. Matrox kinda left the playing field for awhile focused more on high end corportate specialized card. XGI is a new comer it hasn't been tainted yet but I'm sure they will learn fast wink
Right now Nvidia learned from what they did the fx line was a total fiasco, not only hurting thier reputation but lossing market share.
ATI will go through the same, but it might be worse because they might not have a new technology to pull them out.
The reason I say this is because the 9700 was the brain child of ATI and Microsoft's dx 8/9 team.
This Nvidia did just that too they joined up with the DX team to create the 6800.
Microsoft has been setting the standard for graphics apis since DX8 which Ogl has been following. Nvidia relized this early. ATI hasn't maybe they have now but it might be too late.
How many ways to find a solution to a math problem?
I only scratched the surface. I could get it some real nasty optimization like the 96 bit color caclulation, but certian restrictions aply
. Just read about how the 3d pipelines (not just the texture pipelines) using it as a general term, work in a advanced 3d programming book and how the amount of calculations grow exponential as you increase quality, let it be textures or filtering, then compare them to what all the PR crap is about. You would be very interested in what ya find lol.
And its not only the big 2 doing it. Its everybody!
Intel is the king of it. Via just makes crap, if they could get one set of decent drivers they might have a small chance. Matrox kinda left the playing field for awhile focused more on high end corportate specialized card. XGI is a new comer it hasn't been tainted yet but I'm sure they will learn fast wink
Right now Nvidia learned from what they did the fx line was a total fiasco, not only hurting thier reputation but lossing market share.
ATI will go through the same, but it might be worse because they might not have a new technology to pull them out.
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For heavens sake....stop the B.S.
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No offence, but you havent a clue of what your talking about, and it show's.
Answer my questions.
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R300 was the brainchild of ATi/ArtX. Microsoft <b>had nothing to do with designing/building the 9700Pro</b>.
Your full of shiit...dont try spreading FUD here. If you insist on doing so, I will ask you for link's and documentation to support your theories...all of which you wont be able to supply.
Comment's like this make me wonder why I'm even bothering with you....
Dude....stfu. Your inventing B.S. to make yourself look knowledgable....but since you brought it up, please explain it to us, in full detail of course.I only scratched the surface. I could get it some real nasty optimization like the 96 bit color caclulation, but certian restrictions aply
<b>WHAT!!?!</b>...you dont make any sense!, once again, your making stuff up!
King of what?...optimisations? What are they optimizing? WTF are you talking about?
Lol...corporate?....wtf?
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No offence, but you havent a clue of what your talking about, and it show's.
Answer my questions.
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Dude how did Nvidia get the specs on Dx9c before ATI? Because they developed it with MS. That was very publicly stated too. So read up.
9700 is a fully dx9 capable card. Why didn't Nvidia at that time release a dx9 version of the Gf4, because they did't help develop dx9 with MS. They didn't have access to it before ATI
Do you really think you know what you are talking about.
Just because you don't understand the programming process of rendering polygons and texture to the screen doesn't mean you can't understand the theory behind it and how the structure of graphics cards today work. I might as well write a 20 page thesis on it just to explain it to you.
Do I have to tell ya what 1+1 is?
AA and AF lets start with the basics
Bilinear filtering vs trilinear filtering.
Whats the calculation difference?
each pixel x about 2 for the gpu consumption
this cause 2 times the fill rate consumption?
Not exactly damn close to it
each pixel x about 3 for the gpu consumption
this cause 3 times the fill rate consumption?
Not exactly
Now take into the fact you have x4 aa and x16 af
What do these really mean?
Do you know or should I spell that out for you too
Its how many times each pixel is being sampled
This is why bandwidth is so important. Fillrates get burned.
Any of these factors if you reduce by even a fraction you save a butt load on fill rates.
Do you get the math or do I have to write it all out for you?
Bilianear calculations ver Trilinear caluclation ratio lets use 1024x786 for screen res (804864 pixels)
2x8x16= 256 x 804864 pixels = 206045184
3x8x16= 384 x 804864 pixels = 309067776
Now compound the fact ATI is using 96 bit precision where Nvidia is using 128 bit.
THis is very publically know when Nvidia introduced thier 5800 line with full 128 bit percision. Nvidia tried to bank on it. Didn't go far cause the 5800 was crap.
If the gamecude does 128 bit why doesn't the 9xxx series do it too?
What happening here? You tell me which cards are doing more work.
Btw ATI isn't the only one to cut corners. But these were already public domain so I can state them.
BTW this isn't exactly how it all breaks down just an example. Otherwise this post would take 20 pages long.
Matox's profits for last year were 7% from corportate speciality sales in the Medical field alone.
I was buying matrox cards when they first game out. I started 3d programming on them. I like thier technology.
I can't really go indepth with certian things because it will break my company's NDA with the former.
Go ahead and figure out the MATH man cause for me to sit here and explain it to you will take me over 3 months of teaching you basic 3d chip design and 1-2 year college math :/
Man all ya had to do was ask me to explain myself. Intead of going through the useless soliloquy
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by entium on 05/24/04 10:57 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
9700 is a fully dx9 capable card. Why didn't Nvidia at that time release a dx9 version of the Gf4, because they did't help develop dx9 with MS. They didn't have access to it before ATI
Do you really think you know what you are talking about.
Just because you don't understand the programming process of rendering polygons and texture to the screen doesn't mean you can't understand the theory behind it and how the structure of graphics cards today work. I might as well write a 20 page thesis on it just to explain it to you.
Do I have to tell ya what 1+1 is?
AA and AF lets start with the basics
Bilinear filtering vs trilinear filtering.
Whats the calculation difference?
each pixel x about 2 for the gpu consumption
this cause 2 times the fill rate consumption?
Not exactly damn close to it
each pixel x about 3 for the gpu consumption
this cause 3 times the fill rate consumption?
Not exactly
Now take into the fact you have x4 aa and x16 af
What do these really mean?
Do you know or should I spell that out for you too
Its how many times each pixel is being sampled
This is why bandwidth is so important. Fillrates get burned.
Any of these factors if you reduce by even a fraction you save a butt load on fill rates.
Do you get the math or do I have to write it all out for you?
Bilianear calculations ver Trilinear caluclation ratio lets use 1024x786 for screen res (804864 pixels)
2x8x16= 256 x 804864 pixels = 206045184
3x8x16= 384 x 804864 pixels = 309067776
Now compound the fact ATI is using 96 bit precision where Nvidia is using 128 bit.
THis is very publically know when Nvidia introduced thier 5800 line with full 128 bit percision. Nvidia tried to bank on it. Didn't go far cause the 5800 was crap.
If the gamecude does 128 bit why doesn't the 9xxx series do it too?
What happening here? You tell me which cards are doing more work.
Btw ATI isn't the only one to cut corners. But these were already public domain so I can state them.
BTW this isn't exactly how it all breaks down just an example. Otherwise this post would take 20 pages long.
Matox's profits for last year were 7% from corportate speciality sales in the Medical field alone.
I was buying matrox cards when they first game out. I started 3d programming on them. I like thier technology.
I can't really go indepth with certian things because it will break my company's NDA with the former.
Go ahead and figure out the MATH man cause for me to sit here and explain it to you will take me over 3 months of teaching you basic 3d chip design and 1-2 year college math :/
Man all ya had to do was ask me to explain myself. Intead of going through the useless soliloquy
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Of all the time I've been here at Tom's, I have never come across a bigger B.S.er then you my friend. Truly an amazing feat.
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Can't come up with anything more then that? truely said lol.
96 bit vs 128 bit just wanted to clarify it before I posted
with higher bit precision, it means that you can represent, let's say for example a pixel position, with 96 bit precision you can define that pixel as being in anywhere between 0 and up to whatever 96 bits gives you, now with 128 bit precision, you have more accuracy because you can represent that same pixel with 128 bits. It's all about accuracy. more bit precision, the better you can represent.
So in truth 96 bit you can't represent as much as 128 bit
which comes out to this
2^96 is less than 2^128
So now you STFU. And stay here at Tom's for the rest of your life cause thats all you will ever do is sit and post and get no where.
96 bit vs 128 bit just wanted to clarify it before I posted
with higher bit precision, it means that you can represent, let's say for example a pixel position, with 96 bit precision you can define that pixel as being in anywhere between 0 and up to whatever 96 bits gives you, now with 128 bit precision, you have more accuracy because you can represent that same pixel with 128 bits. It's all about accuracy. more bit precision, the better you can represent.
So in truth 96 bit you can't represent as much as 128 bit
which comes out to this
2^96 is less than 2^128
So now you STFU. And stay here at Tom's for the rest of your life cause thats all you will ever do is sit and post and get no where.
I couldn't agree with you more GW, there is simply no excuse for getting heated, or abusive towards anybody within this or any other forum. So he's had 13 years in the industry and the last 3 working with ATI and Nvidia...well thats great, maybe if he had spent a little less time programming, and a little more time developing a personality people would start listening to him, and might appreciate some of the things that he has to say but with the start he's had so far...people will see his name and just switch off.
Sarcasm and insults are no way to get a message across, telling somebody that there a programming wanabee is a great way to show the community the true nature of the man their dealing with. He doesn't realise that this is a "comunity", it's for enthusiasts, people who have a genuine interest in graphics cards and is not manned by experts. I'm afraid that those who show nothing but arrogance and have an attitude that they are superior to everyone else around them have a personality problem.
I have always held true the reasoning that the man who brags about sex the most, is the one who isn't getting any...maybe the same truism holds here for this guy, maybe it's he who is the wanabee with the fragile ego.
You have my support GW for all it's worth, along with the others he's abused along the way maybe one day somebody might just install a patch in him that includes the latest tact and manners opermisations.
Gary.
verbose...yep, but sheer arrogance just gets up my nose.
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Sarcasm and insults are no way to get a message across, telling somebody that there a programming wanabee is a great way to show the community the true nature of the man their dealing with. He doesn't realise that this is a "comunity", it's for enthusiasts, people who have a genuine interest in graphics cards and is not manned by experts. I'm afraid that those who show nothing but arrogance and have an attitude that they are superior to everyone else around them have a personality problem.
I have always held true the reasoning that the man who brags about sex the most, is the one who isn't getting any...maybe the same truism holds here for this guy, maybe it's he who is the wanabee with the fragile ego.
You have my support GW for all it's worth, along with the others he's abused along the way maybe one day somebody might just install a patch in him that includes the latest tact and manners opermisations.
Gary.
verbose...yep, but sheer arrogance just gets up my nose.
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this is funny GW, this guy flamed u like 5 times already and u still haven't jumped on him? hmmmm WHAT HAPPENED TO U!! KILL THE GUY!!!
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Man GW started that too, I wasn't insulting anyone till he told me TO PROVE IT OR SHUT THE [-peep-] UP!
I tried to post it civil, ok I didn't give much info before but if GW just asked for it I would have given him the same response without the sacrasm.
But anyway for what its worth I do like debating but don't bitch me out if I don't exlpain myself. Ask for it
I tried to post it civil, ok I didn't give much info before but if GW just asked for it I would have given him the same response without the sacrasm.
But anyway for what its worth I do like debating but don't bitch me out if I don't exlpain myself. Ask for it
Btw Grape and GW I am sorry. Didn't mean to get all heated up but I don't like it when some tells me I don't know what I'm doing without asking for the information that I do well know. Go back and check who started to tell each of the other to shut up or "you don't know what your talking about" crap.
I think Tom's hardware is a great forum gives an independent look at things. Didn't expect to get flamed like this.
I think Tom's hardware is a great forum gives an independent look at things. Didn't expect to get flamed like this.
Hi Mate, good to see youve apologised, it's easy to get into a heated arguement and it's easy to mis interpret what somebody is saying in and e-mail, as well as a posting. Finger pointing never works, you can never take the high moral ground over who started what and why when two people come to verbal blows, it always takes two to argue, and as soon as they do they have both lost IMHO.
Hopefully we can all play in the sandpit together in the future without throwing sand in each others faces until it comes to tears. Or maybe the moderaters can threaten to ammend peoples handles to read "does not play well with others" as a punishement.
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Hopefully we can all play in the sandpit together in the future without throwing sand in each others faces until it comes to tears. Or maybe the moderaters can threaten to ammend peoples handles to read "does not play well with others" as a punishement.
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LOL!
I won't even bother with your BS about the X800 as the additional functionality and the need for PS 2.0b just to address that functionality PROVES you wrong. And your weak attempts to even support your own position are simply laughable. Oh yeah, BTW, a GF6800 is really just and overclocked Banshee, not even a TNT! Proof you say? Hey I say it is, and that's all I need right?
While the X800/R42x is not as radically different from it predecessor as the NV40, it didn't need to be as the last core wasn't F'ed up like the NV3x line. But you keep on spouting from whatever handbook you have and maybe someone will take you seriously. Sure thing no one here will.
I've been gaming for over 25+ years, and I've been programming computers for almost as many (since the P.E.T. days), that makes me more of an authority than you obviously. Because just like the pipelines and shaders more equals better, and therefore 25>13.
As for your post whith <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7570925" target="_new">3Dmk01 results</A>, your sorry ass example is pathetic, Look at <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7851969" target="_new">Speed's AIR COOLED results</A>, which lay waste to those. And if you think a slight Processor jump would help even come close you're more naive that I though. But hey wait it's all about speed right, so really Speed's results are lower than they could be because his processor is SLOWER than the results you showed. Damd imagine how much better it would be at 2.75ghz! I guess Speed's got some work ahead of him.
Also, bringing 3Dmk01 to a Graphics Card comparison is like bringing a knife to a gun fight DumbA$$! Posting a 3Dmk03 result would've been beter. But of course you knew that since you're so wise in all things graphics related, right!?!
So far you've got JackSh1t to back up your statements. You cut and past from somewher obviously, but your support is crap. Some of the statements you make have a grain of fact behind them but that's it. It's almost as if you're quoting everything you've ever herd mentioned, but you don't know how it relates, but you think if you bombard us with big terms and big words were going to be awed. Well that's not the case. You can bitch and groan about 24/96bit versus 32/128bit all you want, but the fact that the outputs are exactly the same or even better with ATI's upscaling, then you have no footing at all. It's not even relevantin professional situations since server farms do all the work, and even at higher levels. So unless you can come up with something better, and especially something you can back up, then just STFU cause you've nothing to add!
Also, overclock the heck out of your R9800 you'll NEVER reach the same results as an X800XT. You may get close in some areas, but that's like a GF4ti beating and R9800 or FX5900 at Quake3, simply a statistical anomaly, kinda like yourself.
Seriously, stick with pumping code, because when it comes to the real world, you don't know Jack!
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I may know $h1t, I amdit there are far more knowledgeable people than I out there than I (many of which are friends), but you prove with every post you make that you know far less than I do!
I won't even bother with your BS about the X800 as the additional functionality and the need for PS 2.0b just to address that functionality PROVES you wrong. And your weak attempts to even support your own position are simply laughable. Oh yeah, BTW, a GF6800 is really just and overclocked Banshee, not even a TNT! Proof you say? Hey I say it is, and that's all I need right?
While the X800/R42x is not as radically different from it predecessor as the NV40, it didn't need to be as the last core wasn't F'ed up like the NV3x line. But you keep on spouting from whatever handbook you have and maybe someone will take you seriously. Sure thing no one here will.
Sure whatever, and that obviously hasn't helped you at all understand anything about graphics cards. You're probbly some code filler like the 1000s of other who don't really know what they'r doing, just a small cog in the bigger wheel. Devry again? Learn C for only 80 thousand dollars and maybe be in one of our comercials.
I've been gaming for over 25+ years, and I've been programming computers for almost as many (since the P.E.T. days), that makes me more of an authority than you obviously. Because just like the pipelines and shaders more equals better, and therefore 25>13.
And I've worked closely with ATI, nVidia, Matrox, Creative AMD and Intel etc..... every time I upgrade my components.
As for your post whith <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7570925" target="_new">3Dmk01 results</A>, your sorry ass example is pathetic, Look at <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7851969" target="_new">Speed's AIR COOLED results</A>, which lay waste to those. And if you think a slight Processor jump would help even come close you're more naive that I though. But hey wait it's all about speed right, so really Speed's results are lower than they could be because his processor is SLOWER than the results you showed. Damd imagine how much better it would be at 2.75ghz! I guess Speed's got some work ahead of him.
Also, bringing 3Dmk01 to a Graphics Card comparison is like bringing a knife to a gun fight DumbA$$! Posting a 3Dmk03 result would've been beter. But of course you knew that since you're so wise in all things graphics related, right!?!
So far you've got JackSh1t to back up your statements. You cut and past from somewher obviously, but your support is crap. Some of the statements you make have a grain of fact behind them but that's it. It's almost as if you're quoting everything you've ever herd mentioned, but you don't know how it relates, but you think if you bombard us with big terms and big words were going to be awed. Well that's not the case. You can bitch and groan about 24/96bit versus 32/128bit all you want, but the fact that the outputs are exactly the same or even better with ATI's upscaling, then you have no footing at all. It's not even relevantin professional situations since server farms do all the work, and even at higher levels. So unless you can come up with something better, and especially something you can back up, then just STFU cause you've nothing to add!
Also, overclock the heck out of your R9800 you'll NEVER reach the same results as an X800XT. You may get close in some areas, but that's like a GF4ti beating and R9800 or FX5900 at Quake3, simply a statistical anomaly, kinda like yourself.
Seriously, stick with pumping code, because when it comes to the real world, you don't know Jack!
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