China: In the End, Google Will Be Biggest Loser

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I think so, the google is the winner, they provide "the world's largest search engine", but the china no matter what don't understand it's just a search engine, not the container of world's crap.
I think too, the real place where we need to be filtered are the hosting servers.
 
In fact, no country allows unrestricted flow on the Internet of pornographic, violent, gambling or superstitious content, or content on government subversion, ethnic separatism, religious extremism, racialism, terrorism and anti-foreign feelings
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Actually, nearly all of them do, but if you access some of the contents and get caught you can get arrested. It is the case that dealing is not a crime but using is. In the case of pornographic, gambling, superstitious content, government subversion and ethnic separatism I could point you all at several sites. Some of which actually advertise on TV.
I was watching TV on holiday in the USA and saw an advert for porno films and access to www.ten.com and so far that and other sites are not closed down.
All over Europe there are sports events with advertising hoardings for many many many gambling sites such as www.888.com or and even some football teams shirt sponsors are gambling websites.
Superstitious content? WTF? So the Chinese Government want to ban sites that have content to do with superstitions? I dont see any restrictions to looking at http://www.corsinet.com/trivia/scary.html or indeed any of the millions of sites to do with Tarot, fortune telling, star signs or other funky stuff.
Government subversion? I do believe that in some countries, such as the USA, it is considered a right for the population to try and overthrow an oppressive Government and several websites exist to support this including the aptly named http://www.overthrowthegovernment.org/
Finally, even though I find the content rubbish and people who believe in it are pond scum, there appears to be no restrictions in place on www.whitehonor.com so all the skinheads can have something to do.

So there you go, the Chinese Gvernment are just mad.
 
[citation][nom]roltzje[/nom]@zachary k The citizens of China cant think and make decisions for themself?[/citation]
Some do make decisions.
My coworker decided to leave and come to Canada 20 years ago.
[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]As I said there is always a balance between individual freedoms and the public good and the governments are the ones who have to manage that balance. So the Chinese can't search for Tiananmen on the Internet, the Saudis can't cheat on their spouses, the Austrians can't deny the Holocaust and you must wear (at least some) clothes in public or you'll get arrested.[/citation]
Canada has a topless province. Not just a beach, an entire province. =D
 
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oh. I love obama. he is the first black president of america. oh yea, human rights in america. how long it took to free slavery america? 7o years? and now thanks to president obama coming out with better policy to save your. serious. where is your money coming from? remember coming out from your not gold. you can wipe out china after you finish your businese in iraq. small country like iraq keeps you . it only a fantasy drame for you to fight against china. I dont know how much you hate china? but can you stop using anything that is made in china? I bet you just have no choice by keep supporting product that is made in china with your worthless money?

Edited to remove scatalogical references.
 
The thing I don't get how is it Google's fault for showing all the content that is on the web... Honestly do they actually block the sites themselves? Just sounds like they want to control every aspect of chinese culture and life. That they are more interested in their control and not actually helping their people.

Like all governments they are affraid of losing power/political favor.
 
2000 years ago people fear Rome. 50 years ago people fear the Soviet. One of these days people will stop fearing the US and your grand children will say "God, my grandpa is so stupid; he think freedom of speech is a right"
 
[citation][nom]pei-chen[/nom]2000 years ago people fear Rome. 50 years ago people fear the Soviet. One of these days people will stop fearing the US and your grand children will say "God, my grandpa is so stupid; he think freedom of speech is a right"[/citation]
It's not just the US that has freedom of speech, it's almost every country in the world apart from China, with the notable exception of those that are run by idiotic tinpot dictators...
...just like China...

Neither I nor anyone else in the world has a problem with the Chinese people, your factories churn out lots of cool stuff, I love the movies and the food is great. Your leaders however are bringing down your rep, I mean just how difficult is it to get rid of them? even if you count the whole armed forces (standing army around 2 million people) the population outnumbers them by like 500 to 1, if you just storm them it will all be over quicker than you can say "Japan kicked our butts in WW2 and we thanked the Americans by spending the next 60 years hating their guts".
 
After years of failing to conquer Chinese search market, Google finally decides that freedom and human rights are important. What a joke. Google management are the biggest hypocrites in the whole world.
 
[citation][nom]tist[/nom]After years of failing to conquer Chinese search market, Google finally decides that freedom and human rights are important. What a joke. Google management are the biggest hypocrites in the whole world.[/citation]
The phrase "Googlewhack" was coined to describe a search that lists only a single result, something so unique that only one entry for it exists on your search engine.

If you type "Freedom" into Google it displays 1 to 10 of approx 161,000,000 entries.

If the Chinese Government had it's way when you type "Freedom" it googlewhacks a single entry for you under the heading "This is something prohibited by law, please turn yourself in to a local Government office to be ground up into dog food".

Google never "decided" that freedom and human rights were important, they were something that were automatically assumed seeing as the world has moved on a bit since the Pharaohs uses to keep the population in check with massive whips.

So Google says it doesn't need China, China says it doesn't need Google, so if this split is so mutually beneficial then how come all the outpouring of bad sentiment is coming from China like a spurned lover?
 
What boils down to the bottom is a miscalculated bet that backfired. Google's loss will compound. It's sad but time to dump GOOG from my portfolio.
 
[citation][nom]franky4ro[/nom]For the USA guyz here...50 years ago you had slaves..[/citation]

A. What do unrelated events from 50 years ago have to do with social reforms now?

B. I wouldn't criticize American's on their History when you don't even know it. Our Civil War was fought over slavery, and the Declaration that freed the slaves was signed in 1863. Not to mention many of our states outlawed slavery long before than (starting with Massachusetts in 1783).

You're ~100 years off.
 
That would be a government issued press release. It's not like it's actually the opinion of a free journalist. They do not know what "freedom of the press" is over there. Thank you google for standing up for what is right, even though you will lose money. If only more businesses were managed by people with such high moral standards.
 
How come most people have tried to turn this whole Google-China thing into something that it is Google who is not respecting China and dropping censorship. For those who don't remember the pullout has always been about the criminal hacking and theft that took place against their company! Stop trying to change the story and turn Google into the bad guy, they were obeying the rules until they were viciously attacked! Nobody is afraid of China. Boycott China!
 
A quick search on Wikipedia and, oddly enough, Google, shows that the total current number of internet users is approx 1.67 billion.
China has approx 400 million internet users.
Simple maths shows that approx 25% of all internet users are in China.
Earlier in this so called discussion, someone said that no one in China, or indeed any Chinese people that had moved to the US, uses Google anyway so he didn't really care and they all used Baidu.
However stats dont lie and worldwide Baidu has approx 6.5% of market share, that would mean worldwide they have 6.5% of 1.67 billion, which is a shade over 108 million.
Assuming for a minute that no-one else in the world outside China uses it, which goes against the previous claims, and all the users in fact were concentrated into China, that would be around 27% of their own market share.
China is going to miss Google because facts dont lie and when the people find that www.google.cn doesn't work, they will go to .hk .com. .co.uk and the Government wont be able to do zip.
Some of you talk about history, well set your watch because in 100 years they will look back and say this was the moment that it all changed and the people of China woke up and threw off the oppressive shackles of a brutal dictatorial regime which had spent nearly 7 decades pissing all over the rich cultural heritage of a noble and wise country for the benefit of the idiotic ruling communist party elite.

Moses said to the Pharaoh "Let my people go!"
Lincoln freed the slaves.
Google freed the Chinese.

Watch this space...
 
In fact, no country allows unrestricted flow on the Internet of pornographic, violent, gambling or superstitious content, or content on government subversion, ethnic separatism, religious extremism, racialism, terrorism and anti-foreign feelings."
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Ummm.... america? I can find any of those subjects written in english, using a laptop at a starbucks. CP? can find that too, if you look hard enough. Course Googling or dwelling into illegal sites may arouse the suspicion of the cops, the sites exist and there's nothing Google can do to stop that other than allow government authority to police the web traffic of illegal data.

Ted Stevens described the internet as a "series of tubes", well that may imply for your connection, but the internet itself has developed into a massive ocean flooded with information where you can find just about anything if you know where to search and unless China wants to build a harbor and not connect to the sea of information at all, some of that stuff is going to leak in.
 
Personally I applaud Google For standing up to whats right. Gotta give them props for taking this chance in what many say has become the most lucrative market or soon will be. Its a decision finally made with heart and not the wallet. GO GOOGLE !!!

It appears that theres many right here in the USA who are brainwashed. Talking about imposing western culture. This is BS and you know it. This is the kind of thing inspiration is drawn from. Its probably wont work. Google will not get to do business in China. The Chinese people will continue being pawn to their government. Whatever but what if???
 

And Australia. Freedom of Speech is not a right in Australia, because although we are signatories of several UN Human Rights directorates, they have not been completely incorporated into law. We have no Bill of Rights, and the Constitution does not protect Freedom of Speech. The only thing we have is so-called implied freedom of speech, meaning it is assumed that you have that "right" until somebody decides otherwise and then you have no leg to stand on.
 
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