Corsair's PC10000 Super-Ober-Uber-RAM Sets Sails

[pschmid]

What's better than fast memory? Right, even faster memory! Corsair's latest toys run 1,250 MHz to satisfy the performance hunger of the most demanding enthusiasts - if you can fork out the $600.

 

[invader_allan]

You tested more processor power in comparison to faster, bleeding edge memory. What happens to the benchmarks if you take the $600 premium on the fastest memory money can buy and instead buy 4GB of DDR800? That might be just as enlightening as the test run for a processor bump, and would be the cheapest solution of all.

 

[yyrkoon]

I have to disagree with the conclusion a bit. What IF you want to run the memory at 1:1 with the FSB, and reduce the timings as much as possible ? Since I don't currently own a C2D system, I have no experience here, but in my mind, this would produce the best overall system speed. Granted, it's not going to be a huge perceivable difference . . .

 

[Phrozt]

Two different processors??

The whole review is invalid...

 

[mr_fnord]

Two different processors??

The whole review is invalid...

The two processors was to show performance differences between a memory upgrade and a CPU upgrade. This review would have been more useful if it included more memory options, like CAS 3 offerings, but it made a very good point of showing that simply increasing the mem speed has no real impact on performance, especially for the price that you have to pay to get an extra 100 Mhz out of your RAM.

 

[djgandy]

If you've checked out the benchmark section you will now know that the new PC10000 Corsair Dominator memory indeed dominates most of the benchmark results. It is clearly faster than the DDR2-800 memory and it outperforms the DDR2-1066 setup as well. The benefit over our DDR2-1066 setup is little, as the latter can operate at quicker memory parameters (see test setup). One might criticize that we didn't compare the three performance grades 800/1066/1250 at the same timing settings, but we don't believe that any enthusiast would want to operate her or his RAM at slower parameters than necessary.

Was this conclusion written on a totally different article?
Where is this so called "domination"?

 

[sucre]

I didn't see anything in the review that really showed an increase in performance. What's the point of paying twice as much for 1250 MHz RAM when the speed difference is negligible, at best?

 

[celewign]

This has convinced me to buy a better processor before I buy faster memory. 1 second less or .5 fps more doesn't really seem to shine when you think about $600.00 down the tube.
-cm

 

[celewign]

Umm.. I was speaking hypothetically. I'm too poor to buy a new computer. I did, however, just double the amount of RAM in my laptop to 512 though, which is a nice jump for 45$.
-cm

 

[yyrkoon]

See, you're kind of negating your own points. WHY buy a $400 water cooling setup, when you can spend that $400 on a better CPU, and use air to get much beter speeds, hell you dont even need to spend $400, you only need to spend about another $100-$200. Also, if you decide not to OC, you still have a much better CPU.

There is a reason for OCing, but spending that money otherwise saved, on a $400 water cooling kit, does NOT makes sense.

 

[FingerMeElmo]

Quote:

If you've checked out the benchmark section you will now know that the new PC10000 Corsair Dominator memory indeed dominates most of the benchmark results. It is clearly faster than the DDR2-800 memory and it outperforms the DDR2-1066 setup as well. The benefit over our DDR2-1066 setup is little, as the latter can operate at quicker memory parameters (see test setup). One might criticize that we didn't compare the three performance grades 800/1066/1250 at the same timing settings, but we don't believe that any enthusiast would want to operate her or his RAM at slower parameters than necessary.


Was this conclusion written on a totally different article?
Where is this so called "domination"?

yeah, to my eyes, the Dominator got ROCKED by the DD2-800, in almost every benchmark. they were probably paid to put that statement in by corsair

 

[chuckshissle]

This purely for luxury, as we can see the benchmark don't have a great advantage over 800Mhz module. My 533Mhz are still rocking. But I'd sure get this 1250's if I got some $600 to spare. No doubt the best for overclocking.

 

[celewign]

Not at Radioshack, where they let you try the RAM before you buy it. I always shop local if I can.
-cm

 

[kwalker]

As stated there are a few good choices of ram modules that will perform at or in excess of the dominator series rated speeds and can be obtained at a fraction of the cost.
Here's the real kicker.
Corsair guarantees this speed rating at the recommended voltage to maintain this level of performance.
I myself would consider this for that reason alone but not at $600.00.
Even the guarantee will not assure you that these modules wont spent a little time in the RMA routes with down time to consider.
Time will tell and the overclocking community is watching. 8)

 

[sailer]

yeah, but there's some ocz ram that can run above 1300mhz with the same timings for roughly $200 less, I'd get a better cpu or water cooler for the difference between the two ram (also the ocz has a build in water block)

I'll toss in my 2 cents worth here. I had some Corsair PC3500 pro ram. It failed. Corsair said it was out of production so they replaced it with PC3200 pro. It failed. I replaced that with some OCZ and it works. Right now, I have some serious doubts about Corsair. Maybe I just got unlucky and had two consecutive sets of bad ram, but I wonder if they have some problem going on with their quality control. Even if I was building a new computer and I had $600. to blow on ram, I'd be looking for something else.

 

[radicalentity]

Quote:

If you've checked out the benchmark section you will now know that the new PC10000 Corsair Dominator memory indeed dominates most of the benchmark results. It is clearly faster than the DDR2-800 memory and it outperforms the DDR2-1066 setup as well. The benefit over our DDR2-1066 setup is little, as the latter can operate at quicker memory parameters (see test setup). One might criticize that we didn't compare the three performance grades 800/1066/1250 at the same timing settings, but we don't believe that any enthusiast would want to operate her or his RAM at slower parameters than necessary.


Was this conclusion written on a totally different article?
Where is this so called "domination"?

yeah, to my eyes, the Dominator got ROCKED by the DD2-800, in almost every benchmark. they were probably paid to put that statement in by corsair

Honestly - the conclusion didn't seem to actually have any bearing the the benchmarks.

Why would i pay $400 extra for less performance, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What an odd review.

 

[wun911]

It is just another crap revew by Toms hardware...

Its conculsion is inconclusive... Its expensive but maybe its worth it who knows??

Each page has more adds than actual text (as per usual)

Results are displayed as graphs but he hardly talks about the results. He could at least explain why some times its faster and why sometimes it not.

As for the RAM, its good stuff, with a "life time waranty"

 

[sailer]

As for the RAM, its good stuff, with a "life time waranty"

Let me give you an example of what Corsair's "lifetime warrenty" means. A quote from Corsair concerning some ram I bought from them. "Dear Customer, We have received your return, however the part you returned is now obsolete and we do not have a direct or upgrade replacement available." In other words, the very expensive PC3500LL Pro ram that I bought was obsolete within 6 months and what they sent me to fulfill the "lifetime warrenty" was some PC3200C2 Pro, which is cheaper and not as capable of overclocking as what I originally bought.

Oh, by the way, it also failed with my motherboard, while the cheap OCZ stuff that replaced it works fine, and allows a higher overclock than the Corsair ever did.

 

[yyrkoon]

Well, now the xms no longer means extreme memory speed, it means extremelysuckky memorymadeof sh$t, but a lot of people under look ocz because the price is cheap, and something I have learned is that price means nothing, it just means whether the company is being fair to you or being an a$$ and selling very expensive sh$t

Thats funny, the XMS ram in my system can, and HAS done 4-4-4-12 at nearly 1000 MHZ DDR (its rated at 5-5-5-18 800MHZ). Whats funnier still, is I only payed $179 usd for it several months ago before they started jacking up prices across the board. *shrug*

Personally, I'm a Crucial fan, but bought this instead, because of the lower cost, and the fact that Crucial is usually behind the rest in cutting edge. HOWEVER Micron OWNS Crucial(or vice versa), so . . .

Anyhow, only bad dimm I've ever seen go bad, that was Crucial, was replaced inside of two weeks, by Crucial its self, no questions asked, and was upgraded (since the part I bought no longer existed). This replacement is still happily running to this day, a Year and a half later(Crucial Ballistix 3200 2-2-2-6, 2x 512MB sticks). The whole RMA process was a Pleasure, although I did have to call them a week after sending the memory out, to which their reply was, having the replacement back to me 3 days later.

I've yet to deal with Corsair, and to be honest, this is my first memory from them, but so far, its been a pleasant experience.

 

[yyrkoon]

It is just another crap revew by Toms hardware...

Its conculsion is inconclusive... Its expensive but maybe its worth it who knows??

Each page has more adds than actual text (as per usual)

Results are displayed as graphs but he hardly talks about the results. He could at least explain why some times its faster and why sometimes it not.

As for the RAM, its good stuff, with a "life time waranty"

Without this so called 'crap review', you would have no idea of how the RAM actually performed (and yes I mean ALL reviews). THW is just like any other reviewer out there, that companies like Corsair, etc send parts to (for free), in trade for a review. If you don't like it it, fine, don't buy it, I know I wont, but you also wont see me running around pointing fingers, calling the reviewers names as such, making myself look like a five year old in the process.

 

[yyrkoon]

Trust me, I think I have dealt with more memory than you have, and would know that corsair now uses promos IC that can't do 900mhz cas4

Now crucial is one of the best brands around because micron owns them and puts nice IC in them that can do far better speeds and timings than promos or elpida

You have have you ? Tell me, how long have you been working on computers systems ? DO you OWN your own computer shop that typically gets 5-10 + PCs in a week ? You have no idea of how much memory I've had pass through my hands . . .

 

[yyrkoon]

Trust me, I think I have dealt with more memory than you have, and would know that corsair now uses promos IC that can't do 900mhz cas4

Now crucial is one of the best brands around because micron owns them and puts nice IC in them that can do far better speeds and timings than promos or elpida

You have have you ? Tell me, how long have you been working on computers systems ? DO you OWN your own computer shop that typically gets 5-10 + PCs in a week ? You have no idea of how much memory I've had pass through my hands . . .
well at least understand how memory works in terms of overclocking and what types of IC's offer the best performance, because apparantly you didn't know that, or just thought corsair used better IC's than promos

A brand of memory that OC's less than another, does NOT make the lesser over clockable brand Inferior. It may make that brand less attractive to someone who does over clock, especially if its priced far higher than the other. YOU need to get that straight.

As for you comment about my over clocking knowledge, guy, I've been over clocking since 1993. Where you born yet ? lol

However, building systems for the general public, and working on business systems, most of these people need a reliable system, that will run for months on end, and last for 3 + years.

Anyhow, for someone who seems to think he knows a lot about over clocking, you don't seem to be mentioning actual memory chip numbers, such as Micron D9 etc . . .

As a matter of a fact, you know what, just making an assumption, based on how long you've been on this forums, and your post count, I'm going to dismiss anything else you say, and treat you as a troll. Have a nice day.

 

[wun911]

Without this so called 'crap review', you would have no idea of how the RAM actually performed (and yes I mean ALL reviews). THW is just like any other reviewer out there, that companies like Corsair, etc send parts to (for free), in trade for a review. If you don't like it it, fine, don't buy it, I know I wont, but you also wont see me running around pointing fingers, calling the reviewers names as such, making myself look like a five year old in the process.

Errrm I didnt call the reviewer any name did I???? YES I'm saying the review is "crap" and there are other reviews out there that are much better and more informative. Im not saying the product is "crap" Infact I have a pair of 8888s in my system.

Yes I do know my memory (and I dont have to own a PC shop) LOL like you have to work in a PC shop to know your memory! LOL

Maybe you should learn to read some better reviews some time.
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2916&p=6
This is a good example of a review that is informative and has a proper conclusion. And I hope one day Tom can pull off a review that is worthwhile reading.

"have a nice day troll" LOL

 

[NAVYGASSER]

I agree, where's the Domination? I think these reviewers got some kick backs from Corsair for giving their new memory a great review. Either that or these guys were smoking something when they wrote this article.

If you look at the numbers presented here this memory rarely beats the other configurations, and then only by a very small number.

In my estimation this is not worth the extra $$.

Try again Mr. Schmid and Roos.

 

[yyrkoon]

I don't know of any memory thats worth ~$600 usd(at least, in this class, enthusiast desktop memory), and the kickbacks you're talking about is, they most likely get to keep the memory they review.

Really though, I don't know what the big debate is, Anandtech already reviewed this memory several days ago, and even they said, that the Dominator 8888 memory is better, still not worth MY money though.

IF you MUST have the 3 40mm Corsair fan, you would be better served by buying <insert brand / model number here> memory, and pay an extra $20 usd for the Dominator fan, problem solved That being said, I'm perfectly happy with my PC6400 XMS memory, and would be equally happy with any brand / model memory that would overclock as well, while under volted, and remain stable for months on end (read: Crucial, and MAYBE OCZ, although Crucial memory from experience, doesn't normally like to be under volted).