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Do you hate Apple?

  • Yes

    Votes: 112 54.4%

  • No

    Votes: 40 19.4%

  • Just the Macs

    Votes: 24 11.7%

  • Are you kidding me?!? I love Apple products

    Votes: 9 4.4%

  • Love the OS, Hate the hardware

    Votes: 11 5.3%

  • IPod Rulz!

    Votes: 10 4.9%
  • Total voters
    206
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I use a pc for everything. I do have an old mac ibook 500mhz that i use to surf the web out in the living room. I recently retired it because i bought an ipod touch. I dont want to sound pompus and I certainly dont think that I am better than anyone. I just want to defend it a little since everyone is bashing ipods. First and formost i love the touch interface. it is fast responsive and i have never had it crash. I can surf all my websites from it and I dont have to lug a laptop around the living room. the display is amazing. as far as audio quality goes It is an mp3 player which means that I can either encode in a lossless format and store 3 songs on it. or i can encode to mp3 and store thousands and loose audio quality. So i choose mp3 if I wanted to hear every single nuance of my music i wouldnt be listening to it through headphones and an mp3 player in the first place. It is jailbroken and i can use it as a voip phone, there are all sorts of hacks and mods for it out which is great. Now for the disadvantages. I hate having to take it out to change tracks or the volume. I hate Itunes, but it is not as closed source as everyone says I bittorrent seasons of tv, use vidoera ipod converter and it sync them to itunes. is it a pain sort of, but I also own a blackberry 8830 and would have to convert my videos for that also, and i have a better screen on my touch. the way i see it is this I own a bb because stuff just works. I dont have to tweak a bunch of settings like with windows media phones. It doesnt crash as often as window media phones. the same with the ipod i dont want to do a million setup options in order to get stuff to work. and it is rock solid. As far as saying im lazy fine, but as far as technology has came i should be able to be lazy. stuff should just work. that is the reason i am going back to xp from vista, i am tired of fiquring out why something says vista compatible or made for vista breaks my machine. and spending six months trying to fiqure out why.
 
Well I can't say that I hate them but I will say I don't really like them. I think people who buy apple products are a little dumb because all their stuff is way overpiced. And I also agree about the fact that apple users seem to look down on us pc users, I know some apple users and a big majority of them are like that. It makes me laugh and when I get that attitude I always say to them that I envy them because they must be rich to afford such overpriced crap /sarcasm.
 
I was watching the football games last night (Green bay vs. the Giants) and there was a new Mac commercial on. Now Mac has the ability that if you delete something you can get it back. They were saying like PC does not do this... I flipped out on my TV yelling at it hopping that Apple's Marketing can hear me calling them idiots because windows has been doing this for... lets see... EVER!

I remember the good days when you deleted something on a Mac and it was gone, and that was that. I remember the Mac users saying it was dumb to have that security because you only delete things you want. Now they are signing to the tune that this is great and how great they are because they can retrieve data that was deleted.

http://members.cox.net/clyqz/macs.html
 


+1
 
Anyone got a link to this new ad? (youtube or something?)

Ive not seen it yet, personally im curious lol.

just looked up the "Apple Commercial - New Year 2008" video on youtube ad, which made me laugh...tarting up all the things apple have done in 2007 that has "owned" the PC/Microsoft over 2007, even though in reality they were spectacular flops.
 


No, OSX isn't the Nirvana that some mac fanatic want us to believe, but it is certainly a capable OS and isn't the piece of junk that some other people want us to believe.

The $600... wait let me check ... $790 HP won't do the exact same things than the 2000$... wait... 1200$ iMac can. First it won't run OSX and Windows and all related software (yes i know about the OSX86 project, I use it, but it ain't for everyone out there). If it isn't important for you, or don't like OSX, then yes it makes little sense to buy one. But some people like it, it's just the way it is. I don't consider them as more dumb or lazy, they just feel more comfortable in it. Computer takes a lot of place in our lives, might as well go with what you're the most at ease with no?

You would need to define the "so much more" a $790 HP can do that a iMac can't. Yes there is more software available on windows, but except for some very specialized task, both environment have what it takes. Instead of having 30 ripping softwares, there is ten on OSX. On windows, 1/3 are good, 1/3 are average and 1/3 are poor, and so on OSX. So unless I'm missing something important here, it all boil down to some exceptions.

The real big difference imo is for games. OSX have a fair share of games, and of course there is bootcamp, but there is no way mac can compete with a well built PC. Apple users have despise the graphic card situation on macs for years, and for good reasons. But the $790 HP box and his 8300GS is not exactly a gaming horse (as a matter of fact, it is quite the same as the 2400HD in iMacs).

Granted, macs are more expensive then PC, and usually, you get more hardware performance from a PC (especially if you build it yourself). But Apple is on it's own, and development of OS, software and hardware cost certainly more than what HP spent on their $790 box and their slipstreamed Vista HP suite. Again, it's all a matter of preference if you think it deserve to get your money or not, but I think to have this option around is on the bright side of things. Apple do competition to Microsoft, HP, Dell and all the others, and this is good for us users.

At the end, I think most people on this forum, including me, likes to keep control on things, do what the hell they want, and get most of the $$$ they spend. This is why Dell/HP/Gateway doesn't get very good feedback in most threads here. And from this point of view, Apple do even worse. But as I already said, from a computer enthusiast perspective, I like what alternative Apple brings into the computer landscape.
 
Let me point out a couple of things here:


Same goes for Windows


Yes it will, not to mention you can build a $790 PC your self and do MUCH more than that $1200 mac.


Who the hell cares about OSX... I have Windows and linux... why would I want some crap apple software on my new machine.


First of all, you cant even buy an iMac at $790 (nor can you buy them for less than $500 wich a lot of PCs are selling for these days). Second... and again this is quite simple... $790 gets you more hardware than an equivalent mac.


What? Not only is there more software on windows... but there is much better quality software on windows and Linux. What professional Applications run on macs? photoshop? yup thats about it.


ROFL... A fair share? They have a few... older games.
 
Jobs may be slipping, or else his 'reality distortion field' may be fading - the Macworld revelations this year were pretty unexciting, even to Mac nerds.

The worlds thinnest notebook!! Yea, it's thin Steve, real thin. So what? Think I'm gonna sacrifice a hard drive speed, ethernet, user replaceable battery, durability, a bunch of $$, and my optical drive just so I can have a super thin notebook? Its a computer, not a supermodel!

Who cares if it's a little thinner than a full function laptop?
 
I only have three things against my ipod:

1) Forces a gap between tracks - listening to Tool: Lateralus just isn't the same. I think I saw a way to crack the firmware for it but I've been too lazy so far, heh.

2) The propeitary lossless compression codec. Nothing wrong with alc, it really is lossless, I just wish .shn was supported.

3) Volume loss with last firmware update. Still plenty loud with earbuds, but with some of the 'old mixed' cds, it definately could be louder for headphones. I also don't like that it did the firmware update without asking me.

Other than that, it's great. Battery still gives plenty of juice after using it for about three years, it's solid as a rock and dependable.

For Apple computers, I plan to purchase a MacBook Pro soon, but I'll be sticking with a PC for my desktop. I've dealt with frustation with PC notebooks, they're just not worth it.
 
OS points:
Gates = take over the world by being compatible with it all (to a degree) then once they are all sucked in, force the upgrade to the newer better version.
Jobs = take over the world by being more stable (on only your own company's hardware) and then when they are sucked in....no one else will be left as they are forced to buy all hardware/software and accessories from you and only you/Apple.

Doesn't every O/S steal something?
Doesn't every hardware upgrade force your hand in some way?
Doesn't every software upgrade force your hand in some way?

BTW, I still keep my vote the same, I wouldn't trade my PC for anything, and I love my Vista Ultimate!
 


iPod users - if you want to play FLAC and WMA files on your player - ROCKBOX! It's great open source alternative firmware for the iPod (and other players).

I prefer the iPod GUI so I went back to the Apple firmware (never deleted - always available on the iPod while using Rockbox). Even with all of the different skins available, the look and feel of Rockbox just didn't do it for me.
 
skittle: +1

Also, Photoshop is available on PC. The funny thing is that people who use Apple for photo editing will say how their Photoshop programs are so much better, when any PC user can go and buy the same thing and have it run faster on PC vs. a Mac.

Not only that, once the Macanites are done Macing out on their Macphoto editors, they jump onto Microsoft Internet Explorer, or Microsoft Office. I have to admit, these are great innovations from Apple! Who would ever of thought that Apple would have to use Microsoft programs! I do understand they do not have to use these programs and yes there are office programs that come with Mac's free and web browsers as well. Its not that point, but the point that Mac's are found a lot with Microsoft application on it.

Apple and PC are two platforms that you can choose from. Linux is another. There is nothing better or wore from any platform to make one the best one to chose from.
- If you do not like to have the ability to customize you computer then PC or Linux is not for you.
- If you like to get screwed over and over from you OS vendor then Apple and Windows is for you.
- If you like to waste money on a system then Apple is for you.
- If you like a system that claims they are more secure then Apple is for you.
- If you want a free OS that will let you do anything, the Linux is for you.
- If you are trendy the Apple is for you.
- If you find yourself worrying about your nails and if you look fat in this, Apple is for you.
- If you like to live in a dream world where nothing can hurt you, Apple is for you.
- If you like to game, Windows is for you.
- If you like to video edit, pick any OS. They can all do it.
- If you like to picture edit, pick any OS.
- If you like to sound edit or create music, pick any OS. They all do it.
- If you like a company who says this that they can finally do that Linux and Windows has been doing for years, the Apple is for you.
- If you are educated, then Windows or Linux is for you. (I say this because after doing research, you will find Linux to be the smartest possible OS, but you will have to do some work with it to get it to do everything. Windows for the people who just want to use a computer that will work with everything.)
- If you like a company who is on their 10th or 11th OS and is bragging about it.... Then Apple is for you. (Honestly this is kind of sad. It took 10 or 11 tries to get it where they are at now... They are now a step away from dirt... they are crap!)


Please, add to the list!
 


I didn't say you'd want to install OSX Skittle, I said some people do. You can't argue with them their preferences as they can't blame you being just fine with Windows/Linux. And they cannot install OSX easily on the HP box. Thats a fact.

OSX being crappy is highly subjective and just your point of view. OSX might not appeal to you at all, it doesn't make it bad for every users out there. If you're fine with Windows and Linux, it doesn't make sense to buy a Mac as I already point out.

When you say the $790 HP box will do a LOT more than the iMac, what are you refering to exactly? I know there is things that are better on a PC, but a LOT more?

Yes I also said we get more performance for $$$ with a well built PC. Thats a fact.

Now for the professionnal quality software, saying mac is about Photoshop and thats about it is just wrong. A lot, and I mean a LOT of professionnal musician are on mac platform, let alone the mastering studios and music schools. The professionnal video industry also use Apple products massively (through Final Cut Suite, Shake).

Again, I didn't say you can't do the same thing on your PC, and for less $$$, but that doesn't make Apple wrong in my opinion.

As for games, yes OSX gets their games way after PC. Gaming industry just can't justify $$$ and time for the Mac market share. But they do get games, and they can runs the new ones IF their poor video card is allowing it through bootcamp. Mac not being a good gaming platform isn't a breaking news though.

I don't want to go on and on through a Mac/PC endless thread. My point is that neither is as good or bad as some may suggest. Hate it if you want, I respect that.
 

add
-If you want viruses Windows is for you.
-If you want to be a power user Linux is for you.
- If you want to mess with the guts of the OS then Linux is for you.
 

Nope, OSX sucks and is crappy and bloated. Almost to the point that its MORE bloated than a pre-installed vista.

Final cut sucks... especially when you compare it to the entire adobe suite with adobe bridge. I saw all these film students across the hall from me using final cut last year on their macbooks. All i did was laugh and show them Adobe Master Collection.

The only "professionals" working with macs are the ones who think macs have better color and sound quality than a PC. CAUTION: the word "professional" in the mac world should be used extremely loosly. Pretty much every mac user thinks of themselves as a "professional"
 
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