[SOLVED] Doubled the memory and halved the performance!! Any help appreciated

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Hi, I hope someone can help me work out how to proceed.
I am a visual artist, and only know as much about my computers as I have to at any given time.
I just installed 16 GB more GSkill FlareX F4-3200C14D-16GFX RAM (making 32, 4 sticks of 8 GB) and a new 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, M.2 (2280) PCIe 3.0 (x4) NVMe SSD [MZ-V7E500BW] onto a X470 Gaming Pro motherboard based computer. (I installed both at the same time)
(Obviously the computer is not old, about six months old.)
Processor is AMD Ryzen 7 2700X and the graphics cards is a Radeon WX 4100
It already has a 250GB Samsung 970 EVO, M.2 NVMe SSD with windows 10 pro installed on it.
That one is installed in slot M2-1 and the new 500gb one in M2-2.
It also has a Kingston SSD 120GB Sata.
There are a pair of rotative hard drives, that are normally unplugged, (for example during all of this process, so can be safely ignored for the moment)
I cleaned everything first, well during the installation with compressed air, but apart from that did nothing special during the process.
After I reassembled the case, brought it downstairs and reattached all it's cables etc, I booted it up. It restarted several times after very short periods, and eventually flashed a message up on the screen saying something about changed configurations, but the message was gone as soon as I noticed it, so can't say exactly what it said.
I eventually got into the bios and checked, and it seems to recognise the new hardware. I went and checked the MSI website, and there was an updated BIOS, so I downloaded that, and installed it using the m-flash method. This went off all right, but has made no difference.

The computer restarts itself several times when I boot it up each time now and although it eventually goes to windows, windows doesn't recognise the new SSD.
Looking for it in device manager turns up nothing. The bios still shows it as being there.

Also, the memory is only going at 1866 MHz and doesn't recognise the changes to the A-XMP status. (before the installation, it was set on profile two, and said that it was operating at 3200 MHz) Now it says that it is on A-XMP 2 but still reads 1866 MHz.

What did I do wrongly? I didn't think I needed to do anything before installing this new hardware. It is identical to the installed hardware. More memory of the same brand and type, same model number, and the disc is the same type only bigger.

Any advice for a stumped non IT professional, as I am? Thanks in advance.
This is how it is currently testing https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/14021041
Unfortunately, I can't find a previous tes, but previously it was well over 100% on Desktop and Workstation, although about the same on gaming
PS
I have been trying changes in the BIOS and now it is not booting all the way to windows but rather going to the BIOS only.
I have gone into the BIOS again now and unchecked the Windows 10 WHQL support and now I can get into windows again.
But it's all over the place. Now the CPU fan is going at 2500 rpm but the CPU temp is far higher than it was before with the fan running at much lower speed. I am trying to tune that now.

I had better post this and not make any more changes until someone who knows what they are doing helps out.
 
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Well for the
Time being atleast you can pull the last set of 16gb to return and still use the system at the rated 3200.
If that doesn't improve those ssd scores something still is holding it back.
Still may need win 10 reset or clean install.
A 16gb test @3200 should give you some sort of indication.

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ok, well doing a restart with only the new memory, now the XMP profile is set and the memory is reporting 3200. So that's something. I didn't try a reboot after resetting the older memory.
I will try and put all the memory in again

 
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Wow, that's only a little over what I just paid for the 16 gb flare X
I may well do that.

thanks. I am going to leave it for today. I have the computer booting.
Tomorrow I will come back to it. But that looks like the stuff

The new RAM came from Amazon, so no worries on getting a refund. They might have the trident too


Thanks Crosslhs82x2


 
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well amazon is much more expensive for the same memory, so maybe I will have to go with NewEgg. It will be the first time I have used them.

I assume they are reliable.

Is there general agreement that this would be my best move? F4-3200C16D-32GTZR and return the new 16 gb to amazon and try and sell the other on the second hand market? I have no idea how to go about that, but can work it out I suppose.
 
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what's the difference between these DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)
16-18-18-38 de sincronización
Latencia CAS 16
Voltaje de 1.35 voltios
and the others that you said.
DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)
14-14-14-34 de sincronización
Latencia CAS 14
Voltaje de 1.35 voltios
Lower numbers are better? Those second numbers are what the flare X is down as.
The first lot are 269 euros and the second lot are 412 euros.
sorry for my ignorance.
 
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I tried going to msi site looking for the
X470 gaming pro qvl list but couldn't find 1.
I wanted to double check it for that ram. I really can't see msi leaving such a popular ram for ryzen systems off the list.

I assume that is it.
Please correct me with the right 1 if I'm wrong.
 
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The list is here https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PRO#support-mem-11, but i cant find that exact model.
Some very similar models, but not that exact one F4-3200C16D-32GTZR

Actually I think this is the correct list for the ryzen 2700X https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PRO#support-mem-14
but I can't find it there either



 
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Cas latency and in timings.

I have a friend just built a new ryzen system he is running the same mobo I'm asus rog strix x470 F gaming.
I run the flare x 3200 2x8 cl14 and have it set to 3400 and tweeked with the numbers from ryzen dram calculator it runs great.
He is running the ram i showed you but 16gb 2x8 he has his @3600.using his sytem for flight siming running p3d v4 he is loving that system.
Please keep us upto dat.

 
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I can't see any 32 GB kits in the list. From any make.
What does that mean?
is it always going to be a problem?
 
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now, looking at the list, I realise that the flareX isn't even on the list F4-3200C14D-16GFX
there are 8 different units listed as starting with the code F4-3200C14D-16G, but all of them are only approved for one or two units of dimm, no tick on four.
So I suppose there's the problem.
 
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that gtz just means its black stick, gtzr is black rgb stick, gtzrX is 4 sticks black rgb (but for tr4 socket)
gvk/whatever else is just cosmetical (heatsink color/style) it literaly has no effect on
performance
those stick were here before ryzen, so they may or may not work on ryzen, but they usualy work fine
3200 cl14/cl15 is samsung b-die for sure (best u can get for ryzen), cl16 can be samsung/hynix/anything else) they shouldgo to 2933mhz just fine with x470 board, and with luck 3200+
gfx has ryzen optimized xmp timings profile, but it doesnt mean it wont work on intel
(this optimized thing just mean that xmp will 100% work on premium mainboards like asrock taichi, asus crosshair/whatever else brand)
 
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I am trying to work out which memory to get to replace this.
I can send back the new memory no worries and I assume I can sell the other two sticks so if I don't go too far over 300 euros I can probably come out even.
But there are so many choices, that I don't know which way to go. Some of the memories that claim to be optimised for Intel X99 are on the MSI qvl list, and some of the ones that claim to be optimised for AMD are not.
It's all pretty confusing
 
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qvl list is just guidence, it was made when mainboard was made, they tested few random stick and put some list together, qvl list usualy doesnt get updated (unless some unstable kit needs to be removed), there is no way that mainboard makers would test every ddr4 that are out there

well lets say on your qvl u see 3200C14D-16GFX
this will tell u following: 3200mhz stick with cl14 which is samsung B die chips (best), dual channel, single sided, flare x edition, standart color (gfxr would be red for ex)
since u want 2x16GB ram, then u will need to look for 32GFX, those are dual sided (they will clock lower then single sided), since ryzen officaly doesnt support dual sided kits at 3000+ mhz, thats why flare X doesnt have any 2x16 sticks

for goin over 3ghz, theres usualy needed some tinkering with imc voltages, some sub timings, maybe some resistance changes....that depends

still 2933MHz dual sided is WAYYY faster than single sided at 3400MHz, so no real loss here
 
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i really tryied to explain what those letter at end means xD
gtz and gtzr is same tridentZ serie
gtz is without rgb, gtzr is with rgb....

gtz:
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gtzr:
8216o.jpg


it doesnt matter if there are any extra letter, its just heatsink difference as long u stick with same serie
3200c16d-32gtz is same as 3200c16d-32gtzr
same ram under heatsink, same xmp profile, only heatsink color/rgb diff
 
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Yes, I now get that. Thanks for that explanation.
 
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