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BAAAAA HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH ahhaha oh wow.. hoo!
Wait, they're serious aren't they?
Okay, Okay. Let's go ahead and say that somehow, EA is right and that ~500 dollar consoles that have been in development for at least a year+ somehow ARE more advanced than a PC built with the highest end thousand dollar parts. It doesn't matter because this time next year they'd be getting spanked again because PC parts never stop evolving. A console is what it is, no changing parts. You can't upgrade the CPU in an N64, it's what it is forever.
EA is becoming completely irrelevant, and is pandering to the lowest common denominator with this tripe.
Wait, they're serious aren't they?
Okay, Okay. Let's go ahead and say that somehow, EA is right and that ~500 dollar consoles that have been in development for at least a year+ somehow ARE more advanced than a PC built with the highest end thousand dollar parts. It doesn't matter because this time next year they'd be getting spanked again because PC parts never stop evolving. A console is what it is, no changing parts. You can't upgrade the CPU in an N64, it's what it is forever.
EA is becoming completely irrelevant, and is pandering to the lowest common denominator with this tripe.
tadej petric
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I am a PC gamer so this comment could be bias.
First the gaming market as you know it (in the traditional form) is shrinking, in fact is migrating to the mobile platform and to a certain extent to the PC. The signs are so obvious: weak wiiU and AAA Titles (like Gears Juggernaut, God of war Ascension and the latest Tomb Rider) sales, just to name a few. And because of this we will have the most anemic ''next gen'' ever. Both Sony and Microsoft didn't want to invest to much, because of the uncertain market. The sony approach is a conservative one, make a console with minimum investment and hardware that could still be call ''next gen'', microsoft approach was quite different, instead of creating a uber hardware console and compete directly with sony (on a shrinking market battlefield ) they created a weaker hardware version and target a different market. I don't think the next gen will catch any wings in the future because of the following reasons:
1. there is a global economic recession
2. the "next gen'' will bring little value in comparison to the actual generation
3 .All kind of obscure drm and and fees for the second hand games.
Now a short comparison of the next gen platforms
Nintendo traditional approach, weak on hardware strong on creativity scheme, will not work anymore; you have the mobile and indie games for that.
Microsoft approach to create a new market, again I don't think will succeed, because is an artificial market they are trying to create and there is no demand for that.
Now sony took the healthiest approach in my opinion in fact they have the same approach from ps1, the conservative one. Their generations are clearly define ps1,ps2,ps3 ps4 not like the others xbox#$% or nintendo wiixy, they aren’t trying to hunt new markets in a radical way and is the strongest platform hardware wise from their generation but even so it will be a mere shadow of what ''next gen'' meant in the past. 90% of their games will be capped at 30fps (because the hardware is suitable to go strong on the graphics and weak on the fps) the price of heaving a weak cpu, and I can hardly call this next gen in my opinion.
You can understand the value of the next gen only by the way they are marketed, as oppose with the previous generations of consoles when they were screaming out loud: xy bit processing power, xy gigahertz, xy gflops this time around their lips will be completely sealed only sony making a few announcement of their hardware prowess because they are confident that they have the most powerful console in town but even so, they will no go to the full extent because they don't want their console to look like a midget to the PC
So where does this leave the PC. As you know in the past the PC was the garbage can of the gaming industry but now is coming back stronger and vibrant as ever. You have the indie movement in full swing(And I think we will see more of similar minecraft phenomenon), you have a huge mod community that is bringing from time to time new successful genders to the table so that others could exploit later(the transition from counter striker to the call of duty is a good example), you have middle weight titles coming from kickstarter and AAA going to "free to play" that are very suitable for the pc platform (traditional AAA games are not suitable for PC because of the piracy, crisis 1 was played by more the 15 mil people, this kind of dwarfs any single halo game so there is a huge potential in PC AAA market if only publishers will find innovative ways to monetize their products). And I have examples to back this up, Crytek is making the transition to a free to play company and is targeting the PC, we will have the return of the prodigal son Epic (who so blatantly sad in the past that is a console company) go strong to the PC platform again, right now they are working on a PC exclusive ''Fornite'' and as far as I know they don't have an official announcement of an console exclusive.
One think we need to understand is that allegiance and loyalty is only for the fan boys, publishers and console creators will ALWAYS find allegiance with the money flow.
Now my answer to this idiotic statement about “next gen” capable of making skynet a reality, all I can say is they are disparate as hell to make the ''next gen'' succeed, they are so desperate to prolong the “status quo'' that sometimes they look like clowns to me. If the next gen doesn’t succeed they will be pretty much fucked, because they don't have the means to adapt to the new market trends.
First the gaming market as you know it (in the traditional form) is shrinking, in fact is migrating to the mobile platform and to a certain extent to the PC. The signs are so obvious: weak wiiU and AAA Titles (like Gears Juggernaut, God of war Ascension and the latest Tomb Rider) sales, just to name a few. And because of this we will have the most anemic ''next gen'' ever. Both Sony and Microsoft didn't want to invest to much, because of the uncertain market. The sony approach is a conservative one, make a console with minimum investment and hardware that could still be call ''next gen'', microsoft approach was quite different, instead of creating a uber hardware console and compete directly with sony (on a shrinking market battlefield ) they created a weaker hardware version and target a different market. I don't think the next gen will catch any wings in the future because of the following reasons:
1. there is a global economic recession
2. the "next gen'' will bring little value in comparison to the actual generation
3 .All kind of obscure drm and and fees for the second hand games.
Now a short comparison of the next gen platforms
Nintendo traditional approach, weak on hardware strong on creativity scheme, will not work anymore; you have the mobile and indie games for that.
Microsoft approach to create a new market, again I don't think will succeed, because is an artificial market they are trying to create and there is no demand for that.
Now sony took the healthiest approach in my opinion in fact they have the same approach from ps1, the conservative one. Their generations are clearly define ps1,ps2,ps3 ps4 not like the others xbox#$% or nintendo wiixy, they aren’t trying to hunt new markets in a radical way and is the strongest platform hardware wise from their generation but even so it will be a mere shadow of what ''next gen'' meant in the past. 90% of their games will be capped at 30fps (because the hardware is suitable to go strong on the graphics and weak on the fps) the price of heaving a weak cpu, and I can hardly call this next gen in my opinion.
You can understand the value of the next gen only by the way they are marketed, as oppose with the previous generations of consoles when they were screaming out loud: xy bit processing power, xy gigahertz, xy gflops this time around their lips will be completely sealed only sony making a few announcement of their hardware prowess because they are confident that they have the most powerful console in town but even so, they will no go to the full extent because they don't want their console to look like a midget to the PC
So where does this leave the PC. As you know in the past the PC was the garbage can of the gaming industry but now is coming back stronger and vibrant as ever. You have the indie movement in full swing(And I think we will see more of similar minecraft phenomenon), you have a huge mod community that is bringing from time to time new successful genders to the table so that others could exploit later(the transition from counter striker to the call of duty is a good example), you have middle weight titles coming from kickstarter and AAA going to "free to play" that are very suitable for the pc platform (traditional AAA games are not suitable for PC because of the piracy, crisis 1 was played by more the 15 mil people, this kind of dwarfs any single halo game so there is a huge potential in PC AAA market if only publishers will find innovative ways to monetize their products). And I have examples to back this up, Crytek is making the transition to a free to play company and is targeting the PC, we will have the return of the prodigal son Epic (who so blatantly sad in the past that is a console company) go strong to the PC platform again, right now they are working on a PC exclusive ''Fornite'' and as far as I know they don't have an official announcement of an console exclusive.
One think we need to understand is that allegiance and loyalty is only for the fan boys, publishers and console creators will ALWAYS find allegiance with the money flow.
Now my answer to this idiotic statement about “next gen” capable of making skynet a reality, all I can say is they are disparate as hell to make the ''next gen'' succeed, they are so desperate to prolong the “status quo'' that sometimes they look like clowns to me. If the next gen doesn’t succeed they will be pretty much fucked, because they don't have the means to adapt to the new market trends.
Ashish Patel
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ROFL I'm sorry but consoles will NEVER be ahead of PC no matter what the release is. Why? Because no matter how up to date you are with anything related with PC, this industry will always be a step ahead of YOU!
I've been building, hacking, tearing apart computers since I was 12 and I'm a big gamer as well so I know how this whole Console vs PC argument drags out.
Even as we speak, a 3770K + GTX 670 is ahead of PS4 and Xbox One. And even console comparison, PS4 is miles ahead of Xbox One. You're welcome! ^_^
I've been building, hacking, tearing apart computers since I was 12 and I'm a big gamer as well so I know how this whole Console vs PC argument drags out.
Even as we speak, a 3770K + GTX 670 is ahead of PS4 and Xbox One. And even console comparison, PS4 is miles ahead of Xbox One. You're welcome! ^_^
Robert Burbank
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This article shows again just how far EA is from the gaming populace. They are so clueless on what gamers want, it'd be comical if it wasn't so bad.
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Even with all their hardware and software tweaks both consoles are still AMD based computers. I don't see anything really revolutionary about them.
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I don't think anyone has the right to claim any type of advancement is the "gaming Industry". Industry in it's essence is about streamlining, and getting it to the world, It does not innovate. I don't know how much more proof you need. As for ahead of gaming PC stagnation...refer to the start of this post.
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puppetMaster3
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Thank you Dear EA. Those consoles are build for 10 year cycle. PC today can play 4K games (on affordable 4k tv http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-Digital-SE50UY04-50-Inch-120Hz/dp/B00BXF7I9M/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=3JGOX2SE9ZJUV&coliid=I8EKAQ0X99P9K )
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Funny. Was just reading at pcper.com how my two titans could drive crisis 3 at high presets with a 4k monitor with consistent 50-60 fps. I want to see those consoles pulling that off.
T3H-G04T
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Why I wasn't surprised by the Destructoid article being written by the one and only Jim Sterling? The man is so, so right about the state of the gaming industry, not to mention his well thought-through analysis of EA's practices.
You have a lot to live up to now, consoles. EA's diggin a hole underneath you, together with marekting departments and their ludicrous visions; beware of the snake.
You have a lot to live up to now, consoles. EA's diggin a hole underneath you, together with marekting departments and their ludicrous visions; beware of the snake.
One can only assume that there are better margins, less piracy, and easier (standrad configs CPU, GPU etc.) development times for consoles. That and the fact that console manufacturers are pretty much giving him center stage on all these promotion events, means you have to take what he's saying with a pinch of salt.
Outside of all of this being total BS, EA really has a skill for spitting out generalized statements that don't mean anything.
"Your game could change overnight depending on actions by other gamers around the globe."
Is he describing multiplayer or a DDoS attack?
"These next-gen platforms create dynamic, living worlds"
Haven't heard this one before.
"In sports titles, gamers receive a dose of human intelligence"
Human intelligence from a computer?
"Your player stats and information can be updated in real time"
Is this press release from the 90s?
"These consoles are also inherently more social"
I partly play games so that I don't have to deal with social BS.
"Their unique design of hardware..."
All of which is based off of technology already found in current gaming PCs...
"Your game could change overnight depending on actions by other gamers around the globe."
Is he describing multiplayer or a DDoS attack?
"These next-gen platforms create dynamic, living worlds"
Haven't heard this one before.
"In sports titles, gamers receive a dose of human intelligence"
Human intelligence from a computer?
"Your player stats and information can be updated in real time"
Is this press release from the 90s?
"These consoles are also inherently more social"
I partly play games so that I don't have to deal with social BS.
"Their unique design of hardware..."
All of which is based off of technology already found in current gaming PCs...
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Neog2
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Did this guy seriously say five years.
If thats really the case then AMD might have the right idea. Forget trying to compete with Nvidia on the PC. Hell why compete with Nvidia when they are going to sale anywhere from 60-100million chips with these consoles.
But I seriously doubt these machines will be five years ahead of my daughters rig which has a amd 7950 and a I7-2700k Let alone my machine which is superior to hers.
If thats really the case then AMD might have the right idea. Forget trying to compete with Nvidia on the PC. Hell why compete with Nvidia when they are going to sale anywhere from 60-100million chips with these consoles.
But I seriously doubt these machines will be five years ahead of my daughters rig which has a amd 7950 and a I7-2700k Let alone my machine which is superior to hers.
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