Foxconn Holds Anti-Suicide Rally for Employees

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[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]Jane, if we are going to include prevented attempts then compare those to the rest of the world, the USA and the Detroit PD.300,000 people a year in the USA attempt suicide and are prevented or survive, that's 100 per 100,00030 in 3 weeks would be approx 520 per year if the rate was constant and thats approx 56 per 100,000, half the USA againCorrelation between attempts and successes still dont add up to anything fishy, overall it is still less likely you will attempt or be successfulBy the way, quoting Wiki hereIt isn't the same as France Telecom was higher than the national trend, Foxconns is much, much lower[/citation]

You can't compare average suicide rates between cities and Foxxconn when the reasons people commit suicide within city borders is enormously broad. The Foxxconn employees all committed suicide for the same reasons - stressful work conditions. That is why Foxxconn is trying to change things. If the suicides were all random reasons like they would be in a city, they probably wouldn't be putting such an effort into making the work conditions better.

So I don't agree when you say Foxxconn does not have a suicide problem based on city, or national averages.

 
I wonder if the people in that photo even know what their shirt says? If you gave me a shirt with Chinese writing on it I wouldn't have a clue what it said and I'm willing to bet most of the Foxxconn employees do not know english, or they wouldn't be working there.
 
well they're trying at least
so can they talk to each other during work yet or is it still depressing dead silence drowned in the hallow noise of machinery
pathetic attempts at the t-shirts
 
[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]You can't compare average suicide rates between cities and Foxxconn when the reasons people commit suicide within city borders is enormously broad. The Foxxconn employees all committed suicide for the same reasons - stressful work conditions. That is why Foxxconn is trying to change things. If the suicides were all random reasons like they would be in a city, they probably wouldn't be putting such an effort into making the work conditions better.So I don't agree when you say Foxxconn does not have a suicide problem based on city, or national averages.[/citation]

That's ridiculous. We've already been told they live at work. It's not like they HAVE a real chance to kill themselves away from work, where it won't look work related. Not to mention, where are you getting these "non-random reasons" from? Did they all yell as they jumped "I'M STREEEESSSED AT WOOOOORK!" I imagine that since they live there, they also have relationships there, they go through depression there, they learn about life from the outside there. Since they LIVE there, just as you would in a city, the reasons there for suicide are easily just as variable as in a city. While it's true irh_1974 may be sweeping some things under the table, neither you nor Jane are doing any better.
 
"asked staff to sign no-suicide contracts"
LOL wtf?! So what are they gonna do if they break this no-suicide contract by suiciding? Sue their dead arses?
 
They are overworking their employees to death, that's what's happening!

Judging from their faces, those people don't get allot of sleep, or rest.
 
[citation][nom]ch455[/nom]"asked staff to sign no-suicide contracts" LOL wtf?! So what are they gonna do if they break this no-suicide contract by suiciding? Sue their dead arses?[/citation]

I think it's so foxconn doesn't have to pay the family of the dead worker anything because the worker died as work related accident...or something similar.
It's all about money...
 
OK. After careful consideration and a thorough analisys of given picture, angle, elevation, body language of subjects, we have to conclude that the camera had indeed been mounted on an AK47.
 
[citation][nom]MonsterCookie[/nom]More suicide -- less human population. Considering that among all of us humans mostly China and Indian is recklessly overpopulating this darn tiny planet and humans multiply faster than rats I got to say:Just go ahead, and DO IT! Even rats do die faster and start to kill each other if they overpopulate an area due to stress.And yes, for your information I do hate people (myself included) because there is just way too many of them. Also, from survival perspective statistically speaking that factory is more safe than I am in my apartment.I am thinking even right now of jumping ... into my bed and sleep ... but I can do that only after I bough my new Foxcon board. Though, I hope there will be no rotten human "accessories" in any of the boxes.[/citation]

There are not too many people. The world is not as overpopulated as everyone thinks. The problem is that in countries like this, people are not allowed to make their own living and lifestyle and are forced to make things for us instead of important things like food. A nation that would originally be farming and producing a living of their own is reduced to a group of tired and hapless slaves because corporations bought their land and built factories to make shoes and computer parts for us fortune few. They cannot choose to send their children to school and advance in social hierarchy based on their skill and determination, all they can do is send their children to work in crowded factories and hope they can live to see a better tomorrow, which will probably never end because Americans will always want their cheap motherboards. If you think humanity should die you can start off with yourself. Just understand that some people never had the choice.
 
[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]You can't compare average suicide rates between cities and Foxxconn when the reasons people commit suicide within city borders is enormously broad. The Foxxconn employees all committed suicide for the same reasons - stressful work conditions. That is why Foxxconn is trying to change things. If the suicides were all random reasons like they would be in a city, they probably wouldn't be putting such an effort into making the work conditions better.So I don't agree when you say Foxxconn does not have a suicide problem based on city, or national averages.[/citation]
And the work conditions are so bad that suicide rate are 1/7th the rest of the country.
OK, maybe it is hard work, but how much worse must it be compared to the rest of China?

You can't just compare Foxconn as if it was a "company", the factory is the size of a city, the population is the size of a city and all other social factors have to be treated the same as a city.

There will all kinds of social issues from crime, to mental illness and even a few good things like people falling in love and having kids. When you have a million people you have to be objective and look at the broad picture, all the outrage is directed the wrong way here. People are comparing the Foxconn people's situation against their own and you can't do that, you are in the USA and they are in China. Things are differant, and some would say, compared to the rest of China, better.
 
Just to put a nail in the coffin of this arguement once and for all
Suicide in Taiwan specifically, seeing as it's not just the PRC as a whole, has shown an upward trend. Also the method of jumping from heights is the most common in the age group 18-24.
All figures show parity towards national trends for age group, method and demographics.
The only differance is the number, it is a lot less.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2259336/

Please read this, it is very compelling reading.
 
These people do not commit suicide because of their job, they commit suicide because of their "parents". Chinese parents put "extreme pressure" on their children, especially their "sons", that their reason for living and working is to "make much money" so they can send money home, and later on, take care of their parents when the parents grow old.
Chinese parents want to have a son so they will have someone who is motivated by "tradition" to take care of them when they grow old. The pressure is "enormous". In America, the typical family has kids that they raise well to be able to take care of "themselves". In China, the family raises the child, especially a "boy" with the mindset that the "boy" must do well so he can take care of the parents.
So, the boy, is "stuck" on an "assembly line job" in a plant like "Foxconn", is there because his parents "encourage him" to work there, and he feels "stuck", that his "whole life" is being "lived" for the sake of his "parents". He can't take it. He jumps.
It's the "parents" killing these kids, not the company.
 
The scale of Foxconn's suicide employees are overshadowing much more untold stories of Chinese companies abusing their workers. No matter who their bosses be, be it Taiwanese, American, European, or even Chinese, as long as the Chinese government don't enforce regulations, or have regulations at all, the situation will worsen, and will continue.
 
[citation][nom]lakelucid[/nom]The scale of Foxconn's suicide employees are overshadowing much more untold stories of Chinese companies abusing their workers[/citation]
Sorry to use abusive language, but are you fucking blind?
Can't you read?
Scale of the suicide? The scale is 1/7th that of the rest of the country.
Jeez, maybe you should jump off a building instead...
 
[citation][nom]chickenhoagie[/nom]oh man, they sure seem happy as hell in that picture. poor chinese folks..I sympathize to all the hard workers over there. they do not work to live..they live to work, and have no choice.[/citation]

i couldn't agree more.
 
LOL, They probably only get like 4 hours off a week and Foxconn is making them take there free time to attend a company rally. Looks like they'll need extra nets this week.
 
Having actually been to Shenzhen and lived/worked in tech in the region, I can tell you the issue comes down to work environment and managerial culture. Think your boss drives you hard? Think again. No breaks is not uncommon. Employees being berated in front of co-workers. Not uncommon. Low pay (by our standards)? Not uncommon. With 920K, you can say what you want about percentages from Detroit... blah blah... The problem is culture and work environment. PERIOD.
 
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