GTX480 / GTX470 Reviews and Discussion

[Guest]

Alright, I'm just going to say this, this thread is insane. All the bias and misinformation is ridiculous.

I find this halarious though:

Thats a very low OC btw 140Mhz OC on a 470? A 5850 does 300Mhz OC.

He forgets to mention that almost every, reference or not, 5850 tops out at about 850 MHz on the core with stock voltage and the only way to get any higher is with a voltage increase. So to compare them stock voltage vs stock voltage, we are seeing a 140 MHz overclock on the core vs a 5850s 125-150 MHz on the core overclock (875 MHz is pushing it at stock, the highest I've seen is 910 MHz on a non-reference that couldn't change volts) but this is a LOW OVERCLOCK, I guess...

Then he compares the fabled Gigabyte over-volted card with a 1 GHz core, but forgets to mention that is will likely cost more than the GTX 470, and likely more than a reference 5870 because of its performance. This performance, should also equal a GTX 470's performance when overclocked on stock volts, because a GTX 470 is ~10% faster than a 5850 and the extra overclock on the Gigabyte card should give a ~10% performance boost at most.

This thread is full of stupid comments like these by people who don't take the information to its logical conclusions. All this because they don't "like" a product, but how the hell do they know if they don't try to get facts and make logical conclusions based on these facts to decide what they like or dislike.

LOL You did it again? Wer not here to show our emotions. Please proof me max Overvolted OC 470 on AIR Vs Max Overvolted on AIR 5850. Now answer this please? Whats not logical ? Right now , at this moment , not in the future or on another planet, Can the 470 OC by 300Mhz on air Overvolted or not? I would like to hear that answer.

btw How can we be sure he did not overvolt the card? He doesnt even state anything about it.

Ok so right not, not on another planet or hoping in the future , hers a 5850OC on Air, thats a LOT of fps for a 280-300$ Card:

Whats the 470 Max OC on air result? I really doubt it will reach that. I would like to learn what does "Logic" means because Im too unacknowledged apparently compared to you sir.

Edit: Did you read my post? I was comparing it to the 480 not the 470 which is completely on the other side, The Gigabyte version is being retailed thats all I know and it is running -13C cooler than 5870 reference and I already stated it would be too expensive. Whats the Fermi Superclocked version? 25Mhz? Thats a joke. Dont start saying oh voltage voltage, the question to ask is Can Fermi be overvolted on Air Safely or Not? -That simple. If it was safe, we would already have Factory OCd by 100Mhz at least.

Its actually funny in real life where people at college talk and talk about how good they are and when I get 95% Final Organic chemistry exam, they start hating on me, even friends! Rofl

 

[IzzyCraft]

Funny thing is even as of today, the GTX470/480 are still not supported nor have they been certified to do so either;

Supported NVIDIA graphics cards for GPU acceleration

* Quadro CX (Windows)
* Quadro FX 3800 (Windows)
* Quadro FX 4800 (Windows and Mac OS)
* Quadro FX 5800 (Windows)
* GeForce GTX 285 (Windows and Mac OS)

Visit the NVIDIA website for system requirements and compatibility. The list of graphics cards that are compatible with Adobe® Premiere® Pro CS5 is updated on a regular basis.

http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs/

It's support might not be coming until Q3 (maybe);
http://forums.adobe.com/message/2730495#2730495



Cuda enabled after-effects = nada.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2728368#2728368

"After Effects CS5 doesn't take advantage of CUDA."

OpenGL acceleration is available to multiple platforms, just like in CS4. [:jaydeejohn:5]

Weird if i was nvidia i would have made dam sure to get as many products able to be accelerated on the new cs esp the upcomming GF100 considering it was made with gpgpu in mind.

Along with i see this
http://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe_PremiereproCS5.html
"At the heart of Premiere Pro CS5 is the Adobe Mercury Playback Engine – built using the NVIDIA® CUDA™ parallel processing architecture – so Quadro GPUs deliver real-time previewing and editing of native, high-resolution footage, including multiple layers of RED 4K video."
I do wonder why more cards aren't supported i'm guessing the card need to have fp64 would be the only real constraint as all i've read puts it as a native x64 product.
Which makes sense one of the major things that i would guess need more ram allocation would be high definition editing. of videos and pictures etc.

Also seriously not in after effects i would have guess that would have been one of the largest portions, although alot of filters type things i haven't yet seen done though gpu accel but i mean there are plenty of things that can be improved upon, although i guess they just opted to do it via openCL for that nvidia should have push them harder and give them more free dev work 😀 haha

LOL You did it again? Wer not here to show our emotions. Please proof me max Overvolted OC 470 on AIR Vs Max Overvolted on AIR 5850. Wanna bet some PayPal $? Now answer this please? Whats not logical ? Right now , at this moment , not in the future or another planet, Can the 470 OC by 300Mhz on air Overvolted or not? I would like to hear that answer.

btw How can we be sure he did not overvolt the card? He doesnt even state anything about it.

Ok so righ not, not on another planet or hoping in the future , hers a 5850OC on Air:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4623/vantage2.jpg

Whats the 470 Max OC on air result? I really doubt it will reach that. I would like to learn what does "Logic" means because Im too unacknowledged apparently compared to you sir.

Edit: Did you read my post? I was comparing it to the 480 not the 470 which is completely on the other side, The Gigabyte version is being retailed thats all I know and it is running -12C cooler than 5870 reference. Whats the Fermi Superclocked version? 25Mhz? Thats a joke.

I have confused at what you're pointing out here but i'll just state w.e

The picture listed is obviously a over volted 5850 that guy is running his cpu at 4.4ghz at 1.44v which i'm guessing is more like 1.49v under load or w.e depending what his bios setting are and his mobo

The 470 i don't even think has a volt mod that doesn't require you to actually mod the card yet. And the 480 a GF100 variant oced very well under ln2 just like a 5870 would both card show promise in over clock

And pointing out the Evga Superclocked version is just 25mhz is a stupid example.

MSI's 5770 HAWK which is a custom pbc and cooler is only 25mhz over at factory but the card at 1.35 can easily get to core:1200 mem:1450 which is a 350mhz oc on the core and a 250 on the memory
Factory overclocks that aren't using a custom card rarely are that high. Look at history of EVGA BFG etc their oced card are usually very tame

Also consider that the 470 using the same chip as the 480 is only at 607mhz while the 480 is at 700mhz, the reason is the 480 has a better cooler so they can clock it higher without the cooler being a pain in the ass not doing it's job in keeping it cool and quiet.

I mean would a factory of a 5850 to what you posted *** no it would ruin the longevity of the card, it's up to the user to do such things and suffer if he fails to do it right.

 

[Guest]

I never said the card was not overvloted lmao And no the 5850 MSI is 1.35V max with Afterburner.

So you think a card , that is being released by Gigabyte running -13C cooler than 5870 reference will have its life shortened?

Mind you, my used 5850 was OCd by the old owner since the release and it hasn't yet failed. If after burner would burn the cards, company's wouldn't even making these programs.
They make a max safe voltage, which is 1.35v in the 58xx series.

 

[IzzyCraft]

And at stock the 5850 is i believe 1.124v so it's a massive jump in voltage

 

[IzzyCraft]

I never said the card was not overvloted lmao And no the 5850 MSI is 1.35V max with Afterburner.

So you think a card , that is being released by Gigabyte running -12C cooler than 5870 reference will have its life shortened?

You point suggest the 5850 is a better ocer and your example is to show that a card designed with OC in mind oced better on a more available product that can be currently easily overvolted

And to back this up you say EVGA superoc is only 25mhz so the 470 must oc like ***, which is so ignorant i want to slap you again look at all cards with facotry oc they are ffs tame when it comes to a factory oc. When the chip ocs just fine under proper cooling.

And tbh i don't even know wth your post is about i not the best when it comes to reading and writing lol so i just commented my position. and my impression of what i thought of your post

 

[Guest]

And at stock the 5850 is i believe 1.124v so it's a massive jump in voltage

The 5850 core is based on the same design as the 5870 and it would run at the same voltage without any problem. A 5850 is a failed 5870 with 160 non working shaderrs undervolted.

"Proper"? What does than mean? Dont tell me water as 80%+ PC users are on air.

btw the 5970 are 1.04v and AMD would "Provide you" with a utility to switch it to 1.162v so thats a massive jump? Company's would never provide tools that can burn the cards , especially when they encourage you and bundle those programs with the cards.

Where did I say the 470 would not OC by more than 25? I said Retail OCd cards.

And I know on water, a 480 would prolly OC very good. I said it many times, if $ and water is provided, The 480 SLI would be mine and would OC the hell out of them.

 

[IzzyCraft]

No just saying putting your fan speed to be constantly 100% while putting the gpu under any load is hardly ideal

The 470 is a failed 480
480 clocks at 700
470 clocks at 607

5870:850
5850:725

at stock ionno what the voltages are on the GF100 but same serino and i know the 480 ocs very well under ln2 just like the 5870 so whos to say you can't push the 470 or 480 with a better cooler harder on air.

Just pointing out showing an example of a well establishing oced card ie the 5850 overvolted when people are just getting their 470 and saying it oc's better and produces real results is a hack esp under synthetic benchmarks, the 470 reaches on avg 8% better in performance in real games compared to the 5850, that gap wont be closed so easily when people learn how to oc the 470 and aftermarket coolers and pbc come into play.


"The Gigabyte version is being retailed thats all I know and it is running -12C cooler than 5870 reference. Whats the Fermi Superclocked version? 25Mhz? Thats a joke."
Really you didn't say factory oc isn't a joke? so that is not to imply that the GF100 is *** in oc by that comment.

 

[Guest]

So you are expecting "better" more efficent Air coolers than the reference one?

The default is already a Huge custom one lmao

Well a 25Mhz for a SuperClocked version is a joke ,Yes it is lol I just find it useless to pay more for only 25Mhz.

...So on Air, What will OC more, overvolted, 470 or 5850?

 

[IzzyCraft]

Well that's the result of marking hell even the custom 5870's usually are at stock like only 50mhz-100mhz over when they can easily push those card much harder, but then again their warranty doesn't cover killing your card in an oc.

 

[Guest]

Well that's the result of marking hell even the custom 5870's usually are at stock like only 50mhz-100mhz over when they can easily push those card much harder, but then again their warranty doesn't cover killing your card in an oc.

Can you elaborate how I could "kill" my card by using AMD and manufacturers provided tools? And when the card is running <70C Furemeark? These cards have been around for 8 months and no "killed" cards yet with soft mod at least not hard mod. So with your logic, we should all not over volt our CPU? How many people here have their CPU overvolted?

Lmao my old AMD 64 is heavly overvolted and still running since 2005. I wont keep my videocard by more than 5 years.

 

[IzzyCraft]

To get back to w.e we are talking about because i don't know haha i'll just point out what i obvserive

His cpu has a massive oc just in terms of the voltage used, and unless he using like constantly voltage is most-likely like 1.5v oc in bios and under load

The 5850 is most likely pushed to the max in terms of voltage so an impressive oc is some what expected probably even changed to be a bit higher by re flashing the card or w.e or using a custom card already unlocked to go the 1.35

The 470 doesn't have overvolting yet via software just hardware mods as far as i know.

So to say the 5850 will make up the what did i say 7-8% lead in fps from the 470 with that oc is some what misleading. As that is a synthetic benchmark and in games fps gains tend to be smaller. So even match up of a pushed 470 vs a pushed 5850 i'd expect the 470 to still keep the lead. Again ont making it a bad deal for $50 more (although i wouldn't buy it wait for the refresh for ati and nvidia lol people get jacked in terms of features when the refresh comes is what i learned when they change DX gens)

 

[Guest]

To get back to w.e we are talking about because i don't know haha i'll just point out what i obvserive
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4623/vantage2.jpg
His cpu has a massive oc just in terms of the voltage used, and unless he using like constantly voltage is most-likely like 1.5v oc in bios and under load

The 5850 is most likely pushed to the max in terms of voltage so an impressive oc is some what expected probably even changed to be a bit higher by re flashing the card or w.e or using a custom card already unlocked to go the 1.35

The 470 doesn't have overvolting yet via software just hardware mods as far as i know.

So to say the 5850 will make up the what did i say 7-8% lead in fps from the 470 with that oc is some what misleading. As that is a synthetic benchmark and in games fps gains tend to be smaller. So even match up of a pushed 470 vs a pushed 5850 i'd expect the 470 to still keep the lead. Again ont making it a bad deal for $50 more (although i wouldn't buy it wait for the refresh for ati and nvidia lol people get jacked in terms of features when the refresh comes is what i learned when they change DX gens)

Wow confused 1.5v on GPU or CPU? Why bringing his CPU is the subject?

A 5850@1Ghz will boost fps by up to 32% in Stalker. 25% Averge.

 

[IzzyCraft]

Can you elaborate how I could "kill" my card by using AMD and manufacturers provided tools? And when the card is running <70C Furemeark? These cards have been around for 8 months and no "killed" cards yet with soft mod at least not hard mod. So with your logic, we should all not over volt our CPU? How many people here have their CPU overvolted?

Lmao my old AMD 64 is heavly overvolted and still running since 2005. I wont keep my videocard by more than 5 years.

Great way to take a comment and do the worst with it.

You can kill your cpu or gpu if you don't properly cool it it's harder now to get away with boosting the voltage and your computer not yelling at you when you melt your cpu or gpu. I'm just saying the factory oc are tame becuase they don't want to push the cards themselves and most warranties don't cover voltage changes when your card dies, becuase there is a reason behind that, try and think about that.

 

[Guest]

Great way to take a comment and do the worst with it.

You can kill your cpu or gpu if you don't properly cool it it's harder now to get away with boosting the voltage and your computer not yelling at you when you melt your cpu or gpu. I'm just saying the factory oc are tame becuase they don't want to push the cards themselves and most warranties don't cover voltage changes when your card dies, becuase there is a reason behind that, try and think about that.

We are nearly done ... So now, if you had a 470 on Air, would you Overvolt it considering its high temps,70C@100% Fan Stock Volts adn thats not furmark, if you scroll more the Furmark pic Shows 85C@100% Fan?

 

[kravmaga]

I think you guys are confusing things as being designed for when they are more properties of the process. What in nV's design would 'be done with a consideration for heat' something not done on the HD5870?

90c isn't particularly that hot, with the X800 and GF6800 both cresting that number under usage, and the GF7900 doing that without a problem until the voltage regulators failed (not the GPU). I just don't see anything specific to the design that shows it was made to handle heat any better worse.

The definitely seem to be able to handle that temperature right now, and their effect no one knows, which bring us to the next idea...

As for the longevity and reliability, that's why clocks are picked, at a point where heat produced, and heat dissipated by the HSF balance out with performance to provide a card that you can make and sell and profit from.
They are chosen so that chi distribution of failure rates makes the warranty a profitable venture, or puts the failures so far off it doesn't affect the majority of sales/revenues.

The reasons the clocks and SPUs are an issue is because it shows that whatever the original design (which is usually done outside of immediate process characteristics and final temperature/heat/power considerations unless a metal spin is done) that design was not achievable with the current chips that resulted, and at least the clocks would be related to heat/power.

No one has a spotless track record which is why I remind people about the very warm R600 with the problematic 80nm HS process, but we don't just ignore such things. At the time everyone knew the only hope to fix that was to change process, it's not like ignoring it made it go away. Same as them, some people don't care, others learn to deal with it, but it's still there.

Look, I know quite well nvidia's PR front wasn't taking notes from the engineers in the lab or in the internal meetings. Of course they're just saying whatever people want to hear! That's what they're trained and paid to do. That's like trying to look for an appeal to unqualified authority in the wrong place to begin with.
But you're making it sound like people/nvidia are trying to ignore it, or somehow actively trying to bury it away with denial but I see no one doing that. On the other hand, I see plenty of people implying nvidia are a bunch of ******* nazis deserving to tank for releasing a product at this stage as if ati's decision makers wouldn't do exactly the same things if they were to trade shoes. IMHO, that's a bit unfair considering they are taking the risk of taking flak knowing that it's the part of the pains of innovation with brand new technologies. When you start from scratch and reinvent a massively huge and complex amalgamation of the newest and completely unproven scraps of engineering, you're bound to take the risk of ending up in a carfire on your test flight.

The thing's hot, everybody knows that yet people still feel the need to colorfully remind us in the most pejorative way I've seen on any anglophone hardware board. Doesn't any of their huge list of contributions to the world of graphics technology earn them the right to expect a little more respect or at least the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the next tolerating one miserable generation of products that are merely decent as opposed to amazing?

And forgive my saying but moderators are supposed to be broad-mindedly fostering an atmosphere suitable for discussions and the uninhibited sharing of knowledge, experience and opinions. Right now, this place is ground zero of an explosion of trolling littered with the carcasses of people who were repulsed from posting for fear of being dragged in. A little bit more moderate stances would be really refreshing at this point.

Funny thing is even as of today, the GTX470/480 are still not supported nor have they been certified to do so either;

Supported NVIDIA graphics cards for GPU acceleration

* Quadro CX (Windows)
* Quadro FX 3800 (Windows)
* Quadro FX 4800 (Windows and Mac OS)
* Quadro FX 5800 (Windows)
* GeForce GTX 285 (Windows and Mac OS)

Visit the NVIDIA website for system requirements and compatibility. The list of graphics cards that are compatible with Adobe® Premiere® Pro CS5 is updated on a regular basis.

http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs/

It's support might not be coming until Q3 (maybe);
http://forums.adobe.com/message/2730495#2730495



Cuda enabled after-effects = nada.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2728368#2728368

"After Effects CS5 doesn't take advantage of CUDA."

OpenGL acceleration is available to multiple platforms, just like in CS4. [:jaydeejohn:5]

My bad. After-effects not including mercury enhancements is a bummer but I imagine those enhancements are implemented in the areas where profiling reveals the most limiting bottlenecks so either it'll be eventually supported or it probably wasn't needed in the first place. As for the gtx 480 not being supported, CS5 hasn't shipped right now; it's got more than a month before it does so and it's been confirmed that its cuda support is drivers enabled. In light of that, I don't think there's any reason why it won't be added very quickly since the gtx 285 is on the list and the gtx 480's architecture is meant to be gpgpu centric. And from the sound of it, I don't think you know what the opengl enhancements are in their current state if you're comparing them to the mercury playback engine; having worked with CS4 since its launch, I could spawn a wall of text on how the latest cuda enhancements are not even in the same weight bracket.

Furthermore, I don't adhere to the general tendency of sprinting on a hedonistic threadmill in this day and age and find the prospect of waiting for it to not bother me the least bit even if it turns out to be for Q3. I find myself lucky enough to live in an age where I can not only witness but also take part in the democratization of some of the most powerful tools and contributions to the empowerment of creative communities everywhere since the invention of the paper. =)

 

[IzzyCraft]

Wow confused 1.5v on GPU or CPU? Why bringing his CPU is the subject?

lol do you read what i post

I'm theorizing that his cpu is around 1.5v oc which is a massive oc on air for that cpu.

thus i also must assume he pushed his 5850 like wise.

Then i go to point out the performance at stock of a 470 and a 5850
And go on to make the claim that in terms of oc to the max 470 and oc to the max 5850 on air (which that 5850 is unless you really believe that card can do 1000mhz without being quite overvolted) that the 470 would still maintain sufficient lead

I go on to point out that overvolting a 470 is not that easy currently without a hardmod. But the 5850 is

 

[Guest]

lol do you read what i post

I'm theorizing that his cpu is around 1.5v oc which is a massive oc on air for that cpu.

thus i also must assume he pushed his 5850 like wise.

Then i go to point out the performance at stock of a 470 and a 5850
And go on to make the claim that in terms of oc to the max 470 and oc to the max 5850 on air (which that 5850 is unless you really believe that card can do 1000mhz without being quite overvolted) that the 470 would still maintain sufficient lead

I go on to point out that overvolting a 470 is not that easy currently without a hardmod. But the 5850 is

So Right now, what would yield you more perf. maxed up GPU on Air?

The max in Afterburner is 1.35v and it is waay low to "kill" the card. A CPU is different because you can even run them @ 2V. You cant compare a CPU to a GPU.

 

[IzzyCraft]

We are nearly done ... So now, if you had a 470 on Air, would you Overvolt it considering its high temps,70C@100% Fan Stock Volts?

And what the 5850 running at 70-75c under fermark at 80% fans at stock. Whats your point all cards run hot under load. So it's dangerous to oc the 470 but not the 5850 becuase that guy did it well although you don't know all the factors that go into his card. GF100 can run at 105c and you think an ocer would stop at 70c under load

 

[IzzyCraft]

So Right now, what would yield you more perf. maxed up GPU on Air?

I would have to go with the 470 in games(synthetics have always been another ball park) only prob is that the 470 hasn't been out long enough for us to dig up sufficient comparisons of overvolted with stock parts a 5850 vs a 470

I don't think the 5850 can make up the 7-8% deficient it has at stock with the 470 when both are oced.

 

[Guest]

And what the 5850 running at 70-75c under fermark at 80% fans at stock. Whats your point all cards run hot under load. So it's dangerous to oc the 470 but not the 5850 becuase that guy did it well although you don't know all the factors that go into his card. GF100 can run at 105c and you think an ocer would stop at 70c under load

You still didnt answer me, If you had a GTX470 on Air that is already hitting 85C@100% Fan, would you OverVolt it ? You will have a much higher probability of killing the card Vs a 5850.

Again, I posted before a 5850@1Ghz tested on all games, where it gives ~25% on averge boost and 32% boost in Stalker.

btw 5850@1Ghz 72C 50% Fan Furmark.

 

[IzzyCraft]

Yes i would it can do 105c my case is a decent one.

I'd push it to ~95c where the 480 really starts to kick up it's fan speed to cool card.

Also again i'm poting at the picture you posted, because you validate that the 5850> then the 470 becuase of it's oc ability at 300 bucks none of the cards at 300 dollars

His card at stock runs at 765mhz core
When i look up what cards do that at factory
SAPPHIRE TOXIC a vapor chamber card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102881&cm_re=5850-_-14-102-881-_-Product
iCooler V again custom cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161332&cm_re=5850-_-14-161-332-_-Product
GIGABYTE GV-R585OC-1GD doesn't have a cool name but is again a custom cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125318&cm_re=5850-_-14-125-318-_-Product

His card was made for OC you can't use that as an example to trash the 470 when there are no 470's with out of the factory with custom coolers on it.

 

[Guest]

Yes i would it can do 105c my case is a decent one.

I'd push it to ~95c where the 480 really starts to kick up it's fan speed to cool card.

Also again i'm poting at the picture you posted

His card at stock runs at 765mhz core
When i look up what cards do that at factory
SAPPHIRE TOXIC a vapor chamber card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102881&cm_re=5850-_-14-102-881-_-Product
iCooler V again custom cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161332&cm_re=5850-_-14-161-332-_-Product
GIGABYTE GV-R585OC-1GD doesn't have a cool name but is again a custom cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125318&cm_re=5850-_-14-125-318-_-Product

His card was made for OC you can't use that as an example to trash the 470 when there are no 470's with out of the factory with custom coolers on it.

All I have to say, is Good Luck 😉

You were the one saying I would kill my card because of heat :lol:

And I still didn't use the price argument 😉

No card is made for OC, all of them will do 950 Min and most 1Ghz. The toxic card does not have a Cherry Picked core. In fact, reference cards can OC more because they can be flashed.

 

[IzzyCraft]

I said it's possible to kill a card with heat it's why factory overclocks are low and don't change stock voltages.

Way to when you loose a point of argument you randomly change the subject and misconstrued what i say even after i try to further clarify the subject at hand.

I go from the 5850 even with that oc the 470 oced to a similar extent would maintain it's price/performance lead mainly the performance lead.

then somehow i get to explaining how factory oc tends to work and the reasoning behind it

I try to bring it back to the 470>5850 in performance even after oc, you go to heat again i explain why the factory oc doesn't overvolt even on cards made for overvolting because it could dmg the card and warranties wont cover that so they let you do that.

then when i completely win the point poting out that your example is a special 5850 with a non stock cooler you concede. then make a comment about i said heat with absolution kill your card because you mildly overvolted it

Successful troll contested and defeated!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7tbddRS8lQ

Atleast we talking about the GF100 again instead of w.e this thread was on a few pages ago.

 

[Guest]

I said it's possible to kill a card with heat it's why factory overclocks are low and don't change stock voltages.

Way to when you loose a point of argument you randomly change the subject and misconstrued what i say even after i try to further clarify the subject at hand.

I go from the 5850 even with that oc the 470 oced to a similar extent would maintain it's price/performance lead mainly the performance lead.

then somehow i get to explaining how factory oc tends to work and the reasoning behind it

I try to bring it back to the 470>5850 in performance even after oc, you go to heat again i explain why the factory oc doesn't overvolt even on cards made for overvolting because it could dmg the card and warranties wont cover that so they let you do that.

then when i completely win the point poting out that your example is a special 5850 with a non stock cooler you concede. then make a comment about i said heat with absolution kill your card because you mildly overvolted it

Successful troll contested and defeated!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7tbddRS8lQ

Atleast we talking about the GF100 again instead of w.e this thread was on a few pages ago.

Lol You saying I am bringing it to heat? Wasnt that the subject about how heat affect OC?
Werent you the one who started comparing a CPU to a GPU?

Dude, a STOCK 5850 Cooler is MORE than Enough to run the card @ 1Ghz. On 825Mhz my card idle @ 28C and full load @ 58C on 35% Fan. 1Ghz @ 50% 72c MAX with STOCK cooler. I am not comparing both on LN2 Jesus lol I am talking about Real life users on AIR.

So you are saying , a 470 OCd on Air is a better FPS/$ than a 5850@1Ghz on Air? Really? I really like to see how many people on forums would think that way, really interesting.

You really cant separate the truth from emotions I guess like some others. Yea, you obviously won at trolling in your mind more than giving reality and Physics proofs. Yea, sure emotions will bring you to the truth, thats not how it works lmao and sadly, majority of people think that way.

You are still praying about an OverVolt Tool for the 470, very sad. Think about reality, Right Now.

btw I still have another card in hand, which is Time, the 5850 is out 8 months ago! 😱

I really cant see how you still have the idea that a 470 OCd on Air is Faster than 5850 OCd on Air? Really? Thats how you win? By saying to your self that 470OC>5850OC without any evidence or proofs?I smell arrogance here. I guess the video had promoted your emotions more than any proof :lol:

Lol Calling me a troll, after all these Physics proofs, you still refuse to see the Reality? btw I was a proud owner of a GTX 280 which was very slow in Crysis and had heating problems, was smelling plastic when playing Crysis!And barely burned my hand with it lol

Edit: This is to show any1 that thers is no need for a OCd or special cooling version to reach 1Ghz and just look at how small is the GPU cooler on the 5850! http://www.overclock.net/ati/622089-sapphire-radeon-hd-5850-review-56k.html

I hope thats enough to convince you that Im not lying, a 5850 Reference Default cooling Stock @50% is 58C MAX Furemark. @ 1Ghz Overvolted 60% Fan Furemark Tops @ 74C.

The 470 is already breaking 85C @ 100% Fan and is Not even OverVolted yet. Is it my fault that the card has heat problems to be overvolted ? lmao Thats like nVidias excuses about heat before, heat is bad for Circuits, End Of Story. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gtx-480-gtx-470-gf100-fermi-hotness,10061.html

Conclusion: 470 is Heat limited on Air to be OverVolted, hence, 5850 Max OC Air > 470 Max OC Air ---> 5850 OC FPS/$ > 470 OC FPS/$ Air. On water I would go on the 470-480 side as I said before.

Hers the proofs:

Stalker:

1920 x 1080, DX10.1, 16xAF, 4xAA, Preset: Ultra
5850 = 31 fps average
5850 1Ghz = 41 fps average (32% gain over stock)
4850 X2 = 30 fps average

Crysis:
1920 x 1080, DX10, 64 bit, Very High, 4xAA
5850 = 27 fps average
5850 850mhz = 31 fps average (14% gain over stock)
5850 1Ghz = 34 fps average (25% gain over stock)
4850 X2 = 27 fps average
@ 1680 the gain is 29%.

Note that Cat 9.11 was used in those tests and scores would be higher with Cat 10.3.

 

[notty22]

Could you make your own thread about your 5850 and just stfu about it here ? This is the Fermi thread, not yours to prove something that know one cares about.