Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[de5_Roy]

unbelievable. the last thing hd4000 needs is an ego boost.
"A real-time dynamic resolution and texture quality scaling app..."
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/04/17/hialgo-boost-for-far-cry-3/

"Haswell tablets to offer 8 to 10 hour battery life"
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31111-haswell-tablets-to-offer-8-to-10-hour-battery-life
these guys are singing the (B)Sdp song. those cpus seem like 13w ones any way i look at them.

"PCs aren't dead, they're microwaves"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034820/pcs-arent-dead-theyre-microwaves.html
my pc beats your tablet
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034842/when-the-pc-is-obsolete-how-will-you-do-this-and-this-and-this-.html
"On eve of departure, Otellini looks back on four decades with Intel"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2035378/on-eve-of-departure-otellini-looks-back-on-four-decades-with-intel.html

 

[sarinaide]

unbelievable. the last thing hd4000 needs is an ego boost.
"A real-time dynamic resolution and texture quality scaling app..."
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/04/17/hialgo-boost-for-far-cry-3/

"Haswell tablets to offer 8 to 10 hour battery life"
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31111-haswell-tablets-to-offer-8-to-10-hour-battery-life
these guys are singing the (B)Sdp song. those cpus seem like 13w ones any way i look at them.

"PCs aren't dead, they're microwaves"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034820/pcs-arent-dead-theyre-microwaves.html
my pc beats your tablet
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034842/when-the-pc-is-obsolete-how-will-you-do-this-and-this-and-this-.html
"On eve of departure, Otellini looks back on four decades with Intel"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2035378/on-eve-of-departure-otellini-looks-back-on-four-decades-with-intel.html

I want to get hold of that HiAlgo, Lucid MVP I find at times accelerated FPS to much that it caused tearing which is not enjoyable at all despite the sizeable gain in performance. If this works better and the scaling is a little more streamline then its a nice little product for integrated solutions.

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel: Bay Trail systems will cost as little as $200
http://techreport.com/news/24674/intel-bay-trail-systems-will-cost-as-little-as-200
yeah right.

Intel: Foundry Business Will Not Have Substantial Revenue Impact for Two to Three Years.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20130416235821_Intel_Foundry_Business_Will_Not_Have_Substantial_Revenue_Impact_for_Two_to_Three_Years.html

Intel’s Next-Generation Platform to Support Serial ATA Express Natively.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20130416235857_Intel_s_Next_Generation_Platform_to_Support_Serial_ATA_Express_Natively.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/182921/ASRock-Z87-Extreme4-First-Windows-8-Certified-8-series-Motherboard.html
i know it's not that important, but the following one might be.

t or a for notebooks?
http://www.techpowerup.com/182923/Thermaltake-Announces-GOrb-II-Notebook-Cooler.html
i kid. it wasn't important either. interested users might cop a feel whenever they want. >_>

edit:
ASML: EUV Tools Are Making Progress, But Chip Manufacturing Will Slip to 2015.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20130417213831_ASML_EUV_Tools_Are_Making_Progress_But_Chip_Manufacturing_Will_Slip_to_2015.html

 

[Banu22elos]

We also have alternatives to that for on-die GPUs.

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel Cans Rockwell Processors for Desktops - Spy-Shot From Intel’s Roadmap.
Intel Haswell-E for Enthusiasts, Skylake for Mainstream Desktops Due in 2015
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130422193800_Intel_Cans_Rockwell_Processors_for_Desktops_Spy_Shot_From_Intel_s_Roadmap.html
okay, this sounds strange. why are they calling broadwell -rockwell? i don't mind ro- i mean, broadwell getting cancelled at all. however, the article speculates that broadwell(!?) will be available for oems and sff pcs like nuc....
....
we already know some of this. broadwell being bga-only, aimed at mobile pcs, skylake being lga etc. what's new is the hint of issues with intel's 14nm node. at least (from that one slide) valleyview socs, skylake(14nm), haswell-e seem to be on track. strangely, haswell-e is grouped under 14nm....
edit: might also mean that amd fanboyd won't have to be scared of steamroller facing off with roc- i mean, broadwell anymore.

Report: Intel wants batteries in all-in-one PCs
http://techreport.com/news/24697/report-intel-wants-batteries-in-all-in-one-pcs

Intel Core "Haswell" Desktop Processor Box Pricing Compiled
http://www.techpowerup.com/183064/Intel-Core-quot-Haswell-quot-Desktop-Processor-Box-Pricing-Compiled.html
if the prices are correct, these are more or less in line with ivb prices, at least from msrp side. retail prices can vary depending on a lot of things. the earlier fearmongering about $200 core i3 and $300 core i5 cpus can be put to rest. :lol:

edit:
Intel's Return to DRAM: Haswell GT3e to Integrate 128MB eDRAM?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6911/intels-return-to-the-dram-business-haswell-gt3e-to-integrate-128mb-edram

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/137419114/Introduction-to-AVX2-optimizations-in-x264

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=132943&curpostid=132973
Excellent read, and explains many things for Intel going forwards, fab usage, exclusive edram etc.
Competitive pricing, well, if it is 50 bucks, it does lower the bar for good enough gfx users, or, it gets Intels toe in the door

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.futuredrift.com/showthread.php?4133-Is-the-INTEL-Haswell-finally-kicking-off-the-32GB-DDR3-3000-era-!-Check-it-out

 

[de5_Roy]

the edram helps intel eliminate ddr3 for vram and a cut of the bom. but 128mb is not enough for todays displays. in the future we'll need at least 2gb (high clockrate, high bw vram) for higher res. displays. 512bit bus seems promising.... although i think that the igpu and vram will hit their respective limits before the bus would be saturated. amd's gddr5 implementation with kaveri seems much better. moar better if amd introduces user-resizable vram in the drivers unlike intel's dvmt-something.

 

[sarinaide]

the edram helps intel eliminate ddr3 for vram and a cut of the bom. but 128mb is not enough for todays displays. in the future we'll need at least 2gb (high clockrate, high bw vram) for higher res. displays. 512bit bus seems promising.... although i think that the igpu and vram will hit their respective limits before the bus would be saturated. amd's gddr5 implementation with kaveri seems much better. moar better if amd introduces user-resizable vram in the drivers unlike intel's dvmt-something.

AMD does have adjustable VRAM now on the APU's, you can go from 128mb to 3GB

 

[de5_Roy]

AMD does have adjustable VRAM now on the APU's, you can go from 128mb to 3GB

that's very nice. i forgot that i could set vram in ccc...
edit: i'm more used to setting them in the bios.

Core i7-4960X "Ivy Bridge-E" Roughly 10% Faster than i7-3970X: Early Tests
http://www.techpowerup.com/183176/Core-i7-4960X-quot-Ivy-Bridge-E-quot-Roughly-10-Faster-than-i7-3970X-Early-Tests.html
10% faster! YA.........awn..

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

What I find great about this is, we get first glimpses of the capabilities down ther road, using an inferior part, but the boosts and power savings a edram solution has and can do.
This is the low hanging fruit here, and leaves room for nice expansion
I am hinting at Broadwell here, as well as excavator and AMDs solution which should be similar, if not in design, improvements with again, expansion in mind, as we whittle down into oblivion with each new node

 

[de5_Roy]

MacBook featuring Intel's Haswell chip go into production in May
http://vr-zone.com/articles/macbook-featuring-intel-s-haswell-chip-go-into-production-in-may/19818.html
iirc it was apple who demanded that intel bundle edram with hd4000 igpus and intel scrapped the plan because no one else wanted [strike]hd4000[/strike] it (it's not worth the hassle 😛).

Android notebooks? Yep, Intel says, and they'll only cost $200
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57581500-92/android-notebooks-yep-intel-says-and-theyll-only-cost-$200/
ms' core business is os. if they give it away for free, that can't make money. andy will be greatly undercutting ms here.

 

[sarinaide]

AMD does have adjustable VRAM now on the APU's, you can go from 128mb to 3GB

that's very nice. i forgot that i could set vram in ccc...
edit: i'm more used to setting them in the bios.

Core i7-4960X "Ivy Bridge-E" Roughly 10% Faster than i7-3970X: Early Tests
http://www.techpowerup.com/183176/Core-i7-4960X-quot-Ivy-Bridge-E-quot-Roughly-10-Faster-than-i7-3970X-Early-Tests.html
10% faster! YA.........awn..

I always use BIOS, so I lock in 1GB which is plenty for 1080/1200 resolution HTPC. I am not a fan of OS based OC tools, It must be the oldschool in me.


Yeah I saw that Coolaler link yesterday and many are sceptical because of that fact but coolaler are actually yet to be proven wrong and are on a hot streak so it lends food for thought, that said I don't think a 3960X owner will really feel obliged to upgrade or sidegrade.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2013/04/26/chip-shot-4th-generation-intel-core-coming-soon

 

[de5_Roy]

*starts counting* one nanosecond, two nanoseconds, three nanoseconds....

edit:

Is your power supply ready for Haswell?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/is-your-power-supply-ready-for-haswell-/19848.html

edit:

Intel's own 8-series "Lynx Point" Desktop Boards publicly sighted (B85, H87, Q87, Z87)
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-s-own-8-series-lynx-point-desktop-boards-publicly-sighted-b85-h87-q87-z87-/19891.html
look at them ports...
an old one for recap:
Intel's top Z87 motherboard for Haswell LGA1150 smiles for the camera
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-s-top-z87-motherboard-for-haswell-lga1150-smiles-for-the-camera/19601.html

Intel to announce Silvermont on May 6
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31246-intel-to-announce-silvermont-on-may-6

edit:
Report: Haswell Included GT3e IGP Will Perform Like GT640
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/VR-Zone-iGPU-Intel-HD-Graphics,22353.html
Intel Announces 'Iris' as Top Tier Graphics for Haswell
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-iris-graphics-hd-haswell,22388.html
iris, heh. reeks of a homage(!) to apple.... edit: turns out it was a homage to irisgl, opengl's old name.

Gigabyte Next Generation Intel Preview
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1733/pg1/gigabyte-next-generation-intel-preview-enhanced-audio-motherboards-full-article.html

edit:
Intel Core i7-4770K Overclocked to 7 GHz
http://www.techpowerup.com/183476/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-Overclocked-to-7-GHz.html

edit:

Intel Ivy Bridge-E HEDT platform to launch in September 2013
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-ivy-bridge-e-hedt-platform-to-launch-in-september-2013/19911.html
ASRock Haswell boards listed in Euroland
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31269-asrock-haswell-boards-listed-in-euroland
Teaser hints at customizable, high-res UEFI for Gigabyte's Haswell boards
http://techreport.com/news/24761/teaser-hints-at-customizable-high-res-uefi-for-gigabyte-haswell-boards

 

[de5_Roy]

this one deserves a seperate post.
Intel does bulldozer! but seemingly much better.

roundup-

Intel launches the 22nm Silvermont Atom core
Part 1: The core on a macro level
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/06/intel-launches-the-22nm-silvermont-atom-core/
skylake might do modules as well. 😗 :lol:
edit:
Silvermont has a completely new microarchitcture under the hood
Part 2: A look at the core internals at the pipeline level
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/07/draft/
edit:
Intel talks about their 22nm P1271 SoC process for Silvermont
Part 3: Silvermont is built on a new process variant
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/10/intel-talks-about-their-22nm-p1271-soc-process-for-silvermont/

The next Atom: Intel's Silvermont architecture revealed
All-new architecture shoots for superior single-threaded performance
http://techreport.com/review/24767/the-next-atom-intel-silvermont-architecture-revealed

Intel’s Silvermont Architecture Revealed: Getting Serious About Mobile
http://www.anandtech.com/print/6936/intels-silvermont-architecture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile

edit:
New Benchmark Results of Intel Core i “Haswell” Hit the Web.
Web-Site Publishes New Benchmarks, Photos of Core i7 4000 “Haswell” Chips
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130509193636_New_Benchmark_Results_of_Intel_Core_i_Haswell_Hit_the_Web.html

edit:
a few cpu-z validations
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=1038
Core i7-4770K 4.8 GHz aircooled and with only 0.9 Volt
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6839&lang=english

Corsair sheds light on Haswell PSU support, lists compatible units
http://techreport.com/news/24797/corsair-sheds-light-on-haswell-psu-support-lists-compatible-units

edit:
Leaked slides expose Haswell's integrated voltage regulator
http://techreport.com/news/24802/leaked-slides-expose-haswell-integrated-voltage-regulator

Intel loses ground as world's top semiconductor company, survey says
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2038645/intel-loses-ground-as-worlds-top-semiconductor-company-survey-says.html

New Haswell-based notebooks “have mostly been shipped”
http://hexus.net/tech/news/laptop/55197-new-haswell-based-notebooks-have-mostly-shipped/

edit:
An Interview With The Creator Of HiAlgoBoost
Taking Intel's Dynamic Resolution Scaling To The Next Level
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/17/an-interview-with-the-creator-of-hialgoboost/

 

[de5_Roy]

rumor:
Samsung turns to Intel –- Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 to feature Atom Clovertrail SoC
http://vr-zone.com/articles/samsung-turns-to-intel---galaxy-tab-3-10.1-to-feature-atom-clovertrail-soc/20273.html

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel finally fixes their graphics problems
It took way too many years but the impossible is now here
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/28/intel-finally-fixes-their-graphics-problems/
wait, what?
.....
windows users should relax. this is about linux. windows users will continue to get crappy drivers and bottlenecked performance.


Acer readying new Windows 8 tablet sporting Haswell processor
http://vr-zone.com/articles/acer-readying-new-windows-8-tablet-sporting-haswell-processor/20537.html

PC industry bleeding to explode into full-blown hemorrhaging in 2013, says IDC
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2039979/pc-industry-bleeding-to-explode-into-full-blown-hemorrhaging-in-2013-says-idc.html

edit:
first intel motherboard that doesn't look like a deserted landscape with hyena poop scattared around?
http://www.techpowerup.com/184663/intel-desktop-board-dz87klt-75k-pictured.html
may be it's intel's way of stylishly(!) getting out of mobo business...

edit:
Intel shifting Celeron, Pentium chips to Atom architecture
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040401/intel-shifting-celeron-pentium-chips-to-atom-architecture.html

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

It looks like a side grade, unless youre wanting more from a mobile in hrs usage on battery, with better boost as well.
For DT, most ES runs Ive seen look meh

 

[truegenius]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested/3

Haswell doesn’t change the overclocking limits put in place with Sandy Bridge. All CPUs are frequency locked, however K-series parts ship fully unlocked. A new addition is the ability to adjust BCLK to one of three pre-defined straps (100/125/167MHz). The BCLK adjustment gives you a little more flexibility when overclocking, but you still need a K-SKU to take advantage of the options.

looks like haswell is realy failwell

 

[RussK1]

Yep, and hotter than Ivy.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5522/intel-core-i7-4770k-haswell-4th-gen-cpu-and-z87-express-chipset-review/index11.html

I wish we'd see benchmarks clock vs clock and that goes for everything - processing, load temps, power usage, 1 core, 4 core, HT on/off, etc.

Just leave out the AMD comparisons and compare ALL mid/high end 1155 cpu's. I think we'd all know how to take the results being we all know where BD/PD stand vs Intel (2500K ↑) and if not, there's plenty of other reviews out there.

 

[anxiousinfusion]

On the bright side, performance per watt per dollar has increased.

 

[amdfangirl]

On the bright side, performance per watt per dollar has increased.

At the end of the day, one enthusiast cares: me!

Good job Intel! Making a desktop CPU specifically to please me.

xD

 

[de5_Roy]

i am too lazy and too tired to post individual links.... so here's a roundup of roundups ( may be there's an xzibit pun in here somewhere.....)...

http://www.bjorn3d.com/news/daily-roundup-2013-06-01/
http://techreport.com/news/24888/weekend-shortbread
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/Processors/Intel/Core-i5-and-i7-Haswell/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7001/intels-haswell-quadcore-desktop-processor-skus
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-4770k.html