Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[de5_Roy]

^^ confusing customers with zargons leads to moar sales. it's a tried and true practice.
intel's 6 core cpus are so high price that intel doesn't feel the need to extort customers by disabling features, this is why the 6 core cpus have HT and other features like unlocked multiplier, vt-d enabled. however, if sales pick up and prices drop, we might see non-HT hex cores. could take 3-4 more years if traditional "big" cpus still exist in the future.

edit:
tsx go bye bye for now
http://techreport.com/news/26911/errata-prompts-intel-to-disable-tsx-in-haswell-early-broadwell-cpus

edit: asrock x99 unveiling and another haswell platform diagram:
http://chinese.vr-zone.com/123929/asrock-x99x-killer-show-face-in-website-and-confirm-haswell-e-can-support-rdimm-08132014/

 

[Alpha3031]

Now if Intel can create a new branding for mobile CPUs, then how about toying around with the idea of various levels of core desktop CPUs such as this:

Core i3 = 2 cores / 4 threads
Core i4 = 4 cores / 4 threads
Core i5 = 4 cores / 8 threads
Core i6 = 6 cores / 6 threads
Core i7 = 6 cores / 12 threads
Core i8 = 8 cores / 16 threads
Core i9 Extreme Edition = 8 cores / 32 threads (quad-hyperthreading)

lol, love the idea, maybe we can have the a Thread Multiplier in front and the number of cores after the i

So a X4 Core i1 would be 1 core/ 4 threads, and would be priced below the current Pentiums, or priced the same as a Pentium when sold with GT3 Graphics. The unlocked ones can be the same price as AMD A10 APUs

A X2 Core i2 would be today's i3s

 

[Turb0Yoda]

Too much marketing confusion IMO. People will be so confused. Maybe 4-5 types at most.

 

[bosscode]

Well it's always been a question of what's currently out, not atypically what the people what. Take current generation, it's old news. We will be well surprised to as to how this company supports the derivative. I predict a linking of the generation growth in population as to how it pertains to the user.

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel Haswell-E i7 5960X, i7 5930K and i7 5820K pricing revealed
http://videocardz.com/51380/intel-haswell-e-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-pricing-revealed
from the leaked slides, the most interesting thing is the embargo notice, which lifts on august 29.

hsw-e transistor count: 2.6 Billion. die size: 17.6mm x 20.2 mm.

up to 14% game physics(extreme preset) and a.i. according to 3dmark firestrike benchmark, over core i7 4960x.

 

[wireframed]

Intel Haswell-E i7 5960X, i7 5930K and i7 5820K pricing revealed
http://videocardz.com/51380/intel-haswell-e-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-pricing-revealed
from the leaked slides, the most interesting thing is the embargo notice, which lifts on august 29.

hsw-e transistor count: 2.6 Billion. die size: 17.6mm x 20.2 mm.

up to 14% game physics(extreme preset) and a.i. according to 3dmark firestrike benchmark, over core i7 4960x.

Well... given the 5960x has 2 more cores than the 4960x, 14% faster is actually slower per-core. (Which, according to these numbers, would mean the 5930k is slower than the 4930k...)

L.

 

[Alpha3031]

Intel Haswell-E i7 5960X, i7 5930K and i7 5820K pricing revealed
http://videocardz.com/51380/intel-haswell-e-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-pricing-revealed
from the leaked slides, the most interesting thing is the embargo notice, which lifts on august 29.

hsw-e transistor count: 2.6 Billion. die size: 17.6mm x 20.2 mm.

up to 14% game physics(extreme preset) and a.i. according to 3dmark firestrike benchmark, over core i7 4960x.

Well... given the 5960x has 2 more cores than the 4960x, 14% faster is actually slower per-core. (Which, according to these numbers, would mean the 5930k is slower than the 4930k...)

L.

It even has a lower Per-Core IPC [sup]8[/sup]/[sub]6[/sub]*[sup]3.5[/sup]/[sub]4.0[/sub]=1.166 which is about 17 % not 14 %

it simply means more cores aren't scaled very well with today's compute applications.

 

[wireframed]

Intel Haswell-E i7 5960X, i7 5930K and i7 5820K pricing revealed
http://videocardz.com/51380/intel-haswell-e-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-pricing-revealed
from the leaked slides, the most interesting thing is the embargo notice, which lifts on august 29.

hsw-e transistor count: 2.6 Billion. die size: 17.6mm x 20.2 mm.

up to 14% game physics(extreme preset) and a.i. according to 3dmark firestrike benchmark, over core i7 4960x.

Well... given the 5960x has 2 more cores than the 4960x, 14% faster is actually slower per-core. (Which, according to these numbers, would mean the 5930k is slower than the 4930k...)

L.

It even has a lower Per-Core IPC [sup]8[/sup]/[sub]6[/sub]*[sup]3.5[/sup]/[sub]4.0[/sub]=1.166 which is about 17 % not 14 %

it simply means more cores aren't scaled very well with today's compute applications.

I was in a hurry, so didn't get to flesh out my comment.

Of course scaling is probably the issue, which is why comparing a 6-core to an 8-core across a lot of apps is meaningless.

They do claim 33% increase in 3D, which normally scales almost linearly up to many, many cores. That corresponds to the increase from 6->8 cores. I would have assumed more performance from IPC increases, faster bandwidth (4-channel DDR4) and general platform improvements.

Now, obviously this is just a marketing slide, so drawing any conclusions other than very general ones would be foolish.

Luckily today is the official release, so hopefully we'll see actual benchmarks soon. My i7 930 is waaay overdue for replacement. 😉

 

[vmN]

The I7 5960x is also clocked slower than the I7 4960x. 3GHz (3.5GHz turbo) vs 3.6GHz (4GHz turbo).

 

[Alpha3031]

The I7 5960x is also clocked slower than the I7 4960x. 3GHz (3.5GHz turbo) vs 3.6GHz (4GHz turbo).

That's what I was on about, with my [sup]3.5[/sup]/[sub]4.0[/sub] 😀

 

[de5_Roy]

MSI X99S GAMING 7 (Intel LGA 2011v3)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/X99S_GAMING_7/
haswell-e i7 5930k cpu, 16GB (4x 4GB) gskill ripjaws4 ddr4 ram.

this is the first hsw-e review i could find. hopefully this is the first of many to come out in the next few days.

Skylake-S has hardware speech acceleration
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35626-skylake-s-has-hardware-speech-acceleration

edit: haswell-e and x99 reviews

tomshardware's
Intel Core i7-5960X, -5930K And -5820K CPU Review: Haswell-E Rises
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e-cpu,3918.html
anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested
techreport
http://techreport.com/review/26977/intel-core-i7-5960x-processor-reviewed
pc perspective
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Haswell-E-Intel-Core-i7-5960X-8-core-Processor-Review
guru3d
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/core-i7-5960x-5930k-and-5820k-processor-review,1.html
tweaktown
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6620/intel-core-i7-5960x-ee-haswell-e-cpu-and-x99-chipset-review/index.html

edit3:
Alienware's Area-51 gaming desktop reborn as a powerful Haswell-E-packing triangle
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2600341/alienwares-area-51-gaming-desktop-reborn-as-a-powerful-haswell-e-packing-triangle.html

edit4:
sata ports!! asrock x99 extreme11 has so many of them...
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/39996/asrock-x99-extreme-11-motherboard-has-a-massive-18-sata-ports/index.html

Broadwell to be faster than Skylake-S in desktop
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35645-broadwell-to-be-faster-than-skylake-s-in-desktop

 

[--Andre Yang--]

Don't even say intel you know

AMD 8350@8794.3Mhz, ASUS Crosshair V Formula-z,
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680,
2GB gSkill,
Dual LEPA G Series 1600w PSU,
180GB Samsung EVO SSD, Windows XP Professional

 

[Turb0Yoda]

I really want to say that is a joke with the 2 gb Gskill and Win XP... and the dual 1600 watt psu

 

[Alpha3031]

Don't even say intel you know

AMD 8350@8794.3Mhz, ASUS Crosshair V Formula-z,
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680,
2GB gSkill,
Dual LEPA G Series 1600w PSU,
180GB Samsung EVO SSD, Windows XP Professional

Yea, but did you see that smoking 4770K at 9 GHz?

 

[jed]

Don't even say intel you know

AMD 8350@8794.3Mhz, ASUS Crosshair V Formula-z,
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680,
2GB gSkill,
Dual LEPA G Series 1600w PSU,
180GB Samsung EVO SSD, Windows XP Professional

Where's the video, no video it didn't happen.

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel's Broadwell Core M Processor: New Details, SKUs and Specifics
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-broadwell-core-m,27596.html
from the die shot, looks like intel is finally treating the igpu better.

edit:
Intel Xeon E5-2600 V3 Review: Haswell-EP Redefines Fast
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-xeon-e5-2600-v3-haswell-ep,3932.html
anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/print/8423/intel-xeon-e5-version-3-up-to-18-haswell-ep-cores-
semiaccurate
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/09/08/intel-launches-grantley/

edit2:

Intel Publishes Initial Skylake Linux Graphics Support
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc4NDc
no dt gt2

Intel Core i7 5960X Haswell-E On Linux
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_corei7_5960x&num=1
Yet Another Linux Distro Trying To Cater Towards Gamers
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc4MjY

edit3:
Intel's Broadwell Core M-5Y70: The First Benchmarks
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-m-broadwell-benchmarks,27656.html

Intel Skylake's MPX Is Closer To Providing Linux Memory Protection
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc4NjQ
Intel Finally Documents Broadwell's Compute Architecture
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc4NTg

skylake-s will have dx12 hardware support (german website)
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/DirectX-12-Software-255525/News/Skylake-Prozessorgrafik-erst-echte-DirectX-12-Hardware-1135515/

edit4:
Intel discloses details of Xeon D processors (formerly broadwell d.e.)
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014091701_Intel_discloses_details_of_Xeon_D_processors.html
8 cores with HT, 1.5MB L3 cache per core, up to 128GB ecc/ddr3/4 memory, p.c.h. will support 6 sata 3.0 ports, tdp frm 15w to 45w.

 

[juanrga]

Anyone knows if Skylake will use Larrabe cores for graphics?

 

[Alpha3031]

Anyone knows if Skylake will use Larrabe cores for graphics?

Well, this is what google turned up: http://www.techradar.com/au/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/intel-could-kill-performance-pc-graphics-in-2015-1089339

 

[juanrga]

Anyone knows if Skylake will use Larrabe cores for graphics?

Well, this is what google turned up: http://www.techradar.com/au/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/intel-could-kill-performance-pc-graphics-in-2015-1089339

Yes thanks. And some more recent link?

 

[Alpha3031]

Anyone knows if Skylake will use Larrabe cores for graphics?

Well, this is what google turned up: http://www.techradar.com/au/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/intel-could-kill-performance-pc-graphics-in-2015-1089339

Yes thanks. And some more recent link?

Not really, no https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Skylake+Larrabe+cores&oq=Skylake+Larrabe+cores&aqs=chrome..69i57.6505j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Skylake+Larrabee+cores&tbs=qdr:w

 

[juanrga]

Anyone knows if Skylake will use Larrabe cores for graphics?

Well, this is what google turned up: http://www.techradar.com/au/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/intel-could-kill-performance-pc-graphics-in-2015-1089339

Yes thanks. And some more recent link?

Not really, no https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Skylake+Larrabe+cores&oq=Skylake+Larrabe+cores&aqs=chrome..69i57.6505j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Skylake+Larrabee+cores&tbs=qdr:w

I found this. It is interesting read

https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/topic/499225

 

[Cazalan]

If you're a LoL fan that is an enormous boost from just a driver update. 106%

http://www.dailytech.com/MacBook+Air+Surface+Pro+3+Boosted+by+Intel+Graphics+Update/article36525.htm

 

[T04ST]

Hey all, I've had a read through this thread and I couldn't quite get the info I was looking for.

I'm looking at buying an i5490k for my gaming build but I don't want to do that if there's a newer chip coming in the next 6 months. Is there a Broadwell desktop CPU coming at the start of next year or is it a minature/tablet one only? If so, does that mean that Skylark will be the next gen at the end of 2015?

Thanks a lot.

 

[Cazalan]

Hey all, I've had a read through this thread and I couldn't quite get the info I was looking for.

I'm looking at buying an i5490k for my gaming build but I don't want to do that if there's a newer chip coming in the next 6 months. Is there a Broadwell desktop CPU coming at the start of next year or is it a minature/tablet one only? If so, does that mean that Skylark will be the next gen at the end of 2015?

Thanks a lot.

Broadwell is just a die shrink so not that big of a deal for a desktop gaming machine. Late 2015H1 is the rumor for desktop so between 6-9 months. Skylake is 2015H2 and likely on the later side of that.

Broadwell mobile is already shipping and should appear on the shelves before XMAS.

 

[lobterm]

Thank you.

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