Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[gamerk316]

And we broke the AMD thread again. Someone should really just close it for good and start a new one, or seriously just upgrade the amount of posts we can have in one thread.

 

[butremor]

So, uh, hello everyone. I've been inactive for almost a year here and surealy a lot has changed, but my main question is how's fourth gen of Intel CPUs is doing in comparison to third? Are they mostly superior or third gen still holds its own can be considered for a todays build?

 

[Joseph DeGarmo]

So, uh, hello everyone. I've been inactive for almost a year here and surealy a lot has changed, but my main question is how's fourth gen of Intel CPUs is doing in comparison to third? Are they mostly superior or third gen still holds its own can be considered for a todays build?

The current CPUs are just a small step up from the 3rd generation. The i7-4790k, however, really stands out due to the 4.0 GHz base clock and 4.4 GHz turbo clock.

 

[Cazalan]

Intel getting more serious about IoT with Curie. dime sized computer

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/4161-curie-bring-new-dimensions-wearables.html

 

[alcatrazsniper]

I think Intel should have started the 4790K out with a 3.5GHz base clock speed. Then the hardcore overclockers who complain "hurr, i7 4790K sux it can't get more than 500MHz" can say that the 4790K is a significant improvement over the 4770K. It's sort of like the same concept as Black Friday, they keep the same price of a product but just pull out a BS number and say it's on sale for 50%. Same with Intel, don't actually do anything but keep a physcological effect that you're getting something more.

Anyway when the hell is the 5790K coming out?

 

[de5_Roy]

hopefully people can spot the mild irony in the first pic
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/36783-dell-venue-8-7000-tablet-is-laggy

Intel confirms Skylake on time
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/36782-intel-confirms-skylake-on-time
skylake(!) looks so beautiful...

new intel gfx drivers
http://www.techpowerup.com/208950/latest-intel-graphics-drivers-enhanced-for-4th-gen-and-5th-gen-core-processors.html
i got the ones for hd4k, but can't seem to get past 10.18... version during installation. anyone else have this issue?

 

[jdwii]

I think Intel should have started the 4790K out with a 3.5GHz base clock speed. Then the hardcore overclockers who complain "hurr, i7 4790K sux it can't get more than 500MHz" can say that the 4790K is a significant improvement over the 4770K. It's sort of like the same concept as Black Friday, they keep the same price of a product but just pull out a BS number and say it's on sale for 50%. Same with Intel, don't actually do anything but keep a physcological effect that you're getting something more.

Anyway when the hell is the 5790K coming out?

I'm pretty sure that people don't claim the 4790K sucks in anyway possible. For example my 8350 can't even go above 4.3Ghz without excessive amounts of voltage and heat. If your looking for a I7 and in the market for 340$ CPU's the 4790K is a no brainier. The thing that makes the 4790K better then the 4770K is your guaranteed a 4.0Ghz clock rate.

The reasons overclocking fans might be a bit pissed off, is over Intel making false claims that they could easily get the CPU to 5.0Ghz air, "Intel was heard claiming that an overclocked 5GHz was possible on air cooling"

 

[juanrga]

I think Intel should have started the 4790K out with a 3.5GHz base clock speed. Then the hardcore overclockers who complain "hurr, i7 4790K sux it can't get more than 500MHz" can say that the 4790K is a significant improvement over the 4770K. It's sort of like the same concept as Black Friday, they keep the same price of a product but just pull out a BS number and say it's on sale for 50%. Same with Intel, don't actually do anything but keep a physcological effect that you're getting something more.

Anyway when the hell is the 5790K coming out?

I'm pretty sure that people don't claim the 4790K sucks in anyway possible. For example my 8350 can't even go above 4.3Ghz without excessive amounts of voltage and heat. If your looking for a I7 and in the market for 340$ CPU's the 4790K is a no brainier. The thing that makes the 4790K better then the 4770K is your guaranteed a 4.0Ghz clock rate.

The reasons overclocking fans might be a bit pissed off, is over Intel making false claims that they could easily get the CPU to 5.0Ghz air, "Intel was heard claiming that an overclocked 5GHz was possible on air cooling"

I am proud I denounced Intel lying since the first minute. My thoughts were only quoted on bitsandchip. Every other newsite did repeat the lie of "5GHz achieved on air" when we knew that Intel used watter and LN2 for the reported records.

 

[juanrga]

I think this image shows that Intel is getting serious about iGPUs

 

[gamerk316]

They've been getting serious for iGPUS for a while now. Though it does put in perspective how little the CPU part of the CPU actually is.

 

[juanrga]

They've been getting serious for iGPUS for a while now. Though it does put in perspective how little the CPU part of the CPU actually is.

Yes, but I think Broadwell introduces a kind of quantum leap as shows the size of the SoC devoted to GPU.

 

[Cazalan]

Not just hardware too. They did a driver update that supposedly got 20% gain this month.

 

[jdwii]

I'd be happy if I can do 720p medium with fxaa on newer games with it at around 30+fps. My llano laptop is around 15-20 at that

 

[alcatrazsniper]

I think Intel should have started the 4790K out with a 3.5GHz base clock speed. Then the hardcore overclockers who complain "hurr, i7 4790K sux it can't get more than 500MHz" can say that the 4790K is a significant improvement over the 4770K. It's sort of like the same concept as Black Friday, they keep the same price of a product but just pull out a BS number and say it's on sale for 50%. Same with Intel, don't actually do anything but keep a physcological effect that you're getting something more.

Anyway when the hell is the 5790K coming out?

I'm pretty sure that people don't claim the 4790K sucks in anyway possible. For example my 8350 can't even go above 4.3Ghz without excessive amounts of voltage and heat. If your looking for a I7 and in the market for 340$ CPU's the 4790K is a no brainier. The thing that makes the 4790K better then the 4770K is your guaranteed a 4.0Ghz clock rate.

The reasons overclocking fans might be a bit pissed off, is over Intel making false claims that they could easily get the CPU to 5.0Ghz air, "Intel was heard claiming that an overclocked 5GHz was possible on air cooling"

I think Intel should have started the 4790K out with a 3.5GHz base clock speed. Then the hardcore overclockers who complain "hurr, i7 4790K sux it can't get more than 500MHz" can say that the 4790K is a significant improvement over the 4770K. It's sort of like the same concept as Black Friday, they keep the same price of a product but just pull out a BS number and say it's on sale for 50%. Same with Intel, don't actually do anything but keep a physcological effect that you're getting something more.

Anyway when the hell is the 5790K coming out?

I'm pretty sure that people don't claim the 4790K sucks in anyway possible. For example my 8350 can't even go above 4.3Ghz without excessive amounts of voltage and heat. If your looking for a I7 and in the market for 340$ CPU's the 4790K is a no brainier. The thing that makes the 4790K better then the 4770K is your guaranteed a 4.0Ghz clock rate.

The reasons overclocking fans might be a bit pissed off, is over Intel making false claims that they could easily get the CPU to 5.0Ghz air, "Intel was heard claiming that an overclocked 5GHz was possible on air cooling"

I am proud I denounced Intel lying since the first minute. My thoughts were only quoted on bitsandchip. Every other newsite did repeat the lie of "5GHz achieved on air" when we knew that Intel used watter and LN2 for the reported records.

I already have a 4790K. I don't overclock though, and it's just funny to see people mad at a processor based on efficiency and out of the box use. People want to go back to the 90's when clockspeed actually was relevant and mattered in gaming and production. It would be bad for everyone if Intel catered to such a niche market in an already small crowd of high end users in an already small crowd of PC gamers.

As for that picture of the new processor and the HD 6000 graphics, I'm lost, none of what Intel is doing makes sense anymore, An i7 is a rendering CPU and a gaming CPU. Most of the people purchasing this processor already have something like a GTX 980 or a Quadro K6000, it doesn't make sense allocating that much space to graphics after the core i5 line. We could have 8 core CPUs right now, but no, %70 of that space will be dedicated to an expensive igpu.

 

[de5_Roy]

As for that picture of the new processor and the HD 6000 graphics, I'm lost, none of what Intel is doing makes sense anymore, An i7 is a rendering CPU and a gaming CPU. Most of the people purchasing this processor already have something like a GTX 980 or a Quadro K6000, it doesn't make sense allocating that much space to graphics after the core i5 line. We could have 8 core CPUs right now, but no, %70 of that space will be dedicated to an expensive igpu.

designing a single big (cpu/apu/soc) die and then tailoring it for various market segments is much more economical than designing different dies for different segments. amd, intel, nvidia all do it.

 

[alcatrazsniper]

As for that picture of the new processor and the HD 6000 graphics, I'm lost, none of what Intel is doing makes sense anymore, An i7 is a rendering CPU and a gaming CPU. Most of the people purchasing this processor already have something like a GTX 980 or a Quadro K6000, it doesn't make sense allocating that much space to graphics after the core i5 line. We could have 8 core CPUs right now, but no, %70 of that space will be dedicated to an expensive igpu.

designing a single big (cpu/apu/soc) die and then tailoring it for various market segments is much more economical than designing different dies for different segments. amd, intel, nvidia all do it.

Okay, you have a reasonable point there, but if someone has the money to afford anything in the i7 line of desktop processors, then they usually have at least some sort of other GPU, be it a R7 240X or a GTX 8800GT for all I care. The segment you talk about, de5_Roy, is so small. It's raising the price unreasonably for the majority of users. I really believe all this testing to "replace discrete gpus" (which is what they are trying to do, let's all just admit that) should not be reflected on consumers.

 

[-Fran-]

Okay, you have a reasonable point there, but if someone has the money to afford anything in the i7 line of desktop processors, then they usually have at least some sort of other GPU, be it a R7 240X or a GTX 8800GT for all I care. The segment you talk about, de5_Roy, is so small. It's raising the price unreasonably for the majority of users. I really believe all this testing to "replace discrete gpus" (which is what they are trying to do, let's all just admit that) should not be reflected on consumers.

They still have the server-derived CPUs: Sandy-E, Ive-E and Haswell-E. They're just making "mainstream" more "mainstream".

Cheers!

 

[de5_Roy]

Okay, you have a reasonable point there, but if someone has the money to afford anything in the i7 line of desktop processors, then they usually have at least some sort of other GPU, be it a R7 240X or a GTX 8800GT for all I care.

in reality, majority of pcs carrying the latest mainstream cpus/apus(since sandy bridge and llano) do not carry discreet gfx. only the ones with amd fx, igpu-neutered apus/cpus and intel's hedt lineups have discreet gfx - because those pcs absolutely need them. majority pcs with mainstream i3/i5/i7 i.e. lga 11xx platform solely rely on igpu. and that includes retail cpu buyers and a lot of d.i.y. pc builders (incl. htpc, office pc, file servers, sff pcs and so on)..

The segment you talk about, de5_Roy, is so small.

actually it's the opposite of small. that's why intel and amd have gone the way of including the igpu on-die and will add more components as node shrinks open up more die area. in the mainstream segment, integration saves money above anything else. market pricing is a whole other matter.

It's raising the price unreasonably for the majority of users. I really believe all this testing to "replace discrete gpus" (which is what they are trying to do, let's all just admit that) should not be reflected on consumers.

adding the igpu does raise price, but that gets offset by other factors. from user perspective, it means that the whole deal/hassle of dgfx is gone, which helps a lot in laptops/hybrids/sf pcs/office pcs/casual desktops (the overwhelming majority). current igpus are actually capable of replacing entry level gfx cards and for most users, if buying a $150 apu means not having to buy a $60 dgfx card, that's the way they'll go. same with most intel i3/i5/i7 users.

 

[juanrga]

actually it's the opposite of small. that's why intel and amd have gone the way of including the igpu on-die and will add more components as node shrinks open up more die area. in the mainstream segment, integration saves money above anything else. market pricing is a whole other matter.

Integrating the gpu on die has three advantages: more performance, less power, and lower cost.

 

[de5_Roy]

gigabyte upstages intel nuc with bdw-u based brix (gt2 igpu)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8941/gigabyte-gbbxi7h5500-broadwell-brix-review

 

[de5_Roy]

Leak pegs desktop Broadwell, Skylake for mid-year
http://techreport.com/news/27752/leak-pegs-desktop-broadwell-skylake-for-mid-year
edit: unlocked bdw-k should be fun to tweak...

 

[Cazalan]

The unlocked Skylake-S in Q3 is sounding more promising. Just in time for Fiji release?

*6k refund burning a hole in my pocket

 

[Karsten75]

WCCFTech also has an article on the unlocked Broadwell chips, Skylake and the current Intel roadmap.

http://wccftech.com/intel-2015-2016-roadmap-reveals-skylake-s-unlocked-processors-q3-2015-65w-broadwell-kseries-q2-broadwelle-arrives-q1-2016/

 

[Cazalan]

Intel licensing MIPS cores now due to Lantiq acquisition.

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1325519&

 

[juanrga]

The 95W Skylake sound very interesting.